... which is how we know about it now, so we should thank that contractor. Had they not found it, someone else may have ; and that entity may have protected that knowledge better.
Never blame the person who found the flaw; blame only those tho create and exploit such flaws. Those who create open the door for those who exploit, while those who find open the door for those who fix.
Indeed it does, but the landing sequence must be manually initiated (on all systems), and with the plane already at or near the correct approach heading (on most).
Yes, this should be within the car's capabilities at this point.
But it's not and Tesla makes it clear that it's not despite peoples' insistence that they can ignore the warnings. It's no less safe than the same emergency happening in a car without autopilot and has the potential to keep you on the road during temporary or passing emergencies (think nodding off for a few seconds while driving), so it's still a net positive... if only people would take a moment to understand its limitations, as Tesla makes no attempt to hide them.
What else would you suggest? It just disable the Autopilot and shut off the car in whatever lane it happens to be in?
Since autopilot (in a Tesla as well as on a plane) is merely a form of automated course-correction, and not a navigation feature, I would fully expect it not to take me out of the lane in which I've engaged it (save for that lane ending, of course, then it has to do so), because that is not its function. Browse the rest of this thread to see where I've already answered that question in more detail.
Since this would be a bona-fide emergency, any laws against pulling-over would likely not apply.
Well, if what you say is right, it would be the first time it she had picked up one of her living "playthings". Please understand why I have my doubts.
Indeed, I fully agree with this; it's also the same issue I take with all these "safety" features. They're intended to keep the occupant of the so-equipped vehicle safe, but often lead to unsafe conditions for other drivers as people become accustomed to responding to warning lights, beeps, chimes, and GPS directions rather than paying attention to the road and responding to actual conditions. Sometimes those safety systems can't alert fast enough to give the driver time to put down their book or coffee, which they wouldn't have been holding in both hands in the first place if they didn't have "whiz-bang new safety feature".
I wonder if anyone has done a study correlating the availability and use of certain "safety" features and accidents caused by the inattentiveness they allow drivers to exhibit while piloting the multi-ton death machine for which they're supposed to have taken responsibility. If not, someone probably should; the results could be interesting.
Right, and autopilot in a Tesla is, just like autopilot in a plane, a tool to keep you on course. On a plane, it still requires hands on stick, and even the ones capable of landing the plane won't initiate the landing sequence immediately, even in an emergency. Why do you expect that functionality in a similarly-names system in a car?
No, Tesla's autopilot (which, by the way, I do think is a horrible idea; but then, I buy nice cars because I like driving them) is pretty much spot-on in terms of replicating the navigational and course correcting abilities of commercial airliner autopilot. It's aptly names for what it is and what it does.
When a plane's autopilot "lands itself" after "detecting an emergency", the occupants usually don't survive. It appears as though Tesla got that detail right, as well.
And how did it pick up the soft and squishy cat, wiggling and struggling to not be picked up, in its mouth without squeezing? Her retaliation occurred within one or two shakes, my friend. Kitty was quick about it; we're honestly not sure how the gouges on the dog's chest happened; all we know is they were not there before I let the cat out of my room (I had just gotten home and the cat had not yet been fully introduced to the dog -- thus this incident when they met) and she ran immediately on sight of the dog so we know they didn't happen before the attack. Once she freed herself from the dog's mouth, she bolted, she didn't stick around to further attack after freeing herself. The chest scratches had to have happened in the 1/4 second in which she was in the dog's mouth, but it happened so quickly none of us saw it.
I've seen dogs hunt; my friend, the hunting dog's dog owner (whose mother also happens to have trained dogs professionally when he was growing up -- something she also trained him to do so he could assist), certainly has seen dogs hunt, another of our friends who was present when it happened has likely also seen dogs hunt. Neither friend was too fond of the cat when the attack happened, but the three of us unanimously took on the view that the dog was the aggressor and was certainly on the hunt.
Also, this is a dog that sniffs and licks her playthings before chasing them. She did not sniff or lick my cat; she did not have the opportunity to do so, as my cat bolted upon seeing her. That's when the chase was on.
And I've seen this dog play. With a tiny pomeranian, about the size of my cat and just as fast, as a matter of fact, who also runs on sight of this big dog. When the pom is cornered, as my cat was, Kima, the aussie sheppard in question, does not pick her up; she sniffs and licks, maybe nudges a little with the tip of her nose, then turns around and walks away.
It's almost like dogs have personalities and you have to actually meet one to be able to tell when it's playing or hunting. Yes, understanding general dog psychology can help you guess, but there are subtle behavioral nuances, which I didn't take the paragraphs to detail in my initially summary of the incident, which make all the difference in determining the dog's intent.
TL;DR: You weren't there and you don't know this dog, its temperament, how it was raised or trained, how it plays, how it hunts, how the situation unfolded, or, really, anything about the incident other than the handful of details I've written here (what I can recall definitively about an incident nearly a decade ago) and, possibly, some generalizations about dog psychology which are really only useful as a starting point for learning the personality traits of an individual dog. Those generalizations are not blanket truths that apply unilaterally.
This is almost verbatim what I would have responded with had you not beat me to the punch. Glad to see someone else getting it for once, thank you for that.
Funny, I use Cocoa interfaces in C, C++, Java, and even Pascal. I actually learned it was possible from a client of mine who develops Mac software in Pascal.
It's not autonomous driving, it doesn't navigate, it's glorified lane assist with the ability to maintain speed with the flow of traffic and a bit of accident avoidance logic mixed in. Far from autonomous.
Ok? And that has stopped countless game developers from using OpenGL on macOS... when? And the GPU drivers Metal has to interface with certainly are not written in Obj-C; hell, I doubt Metal itself is, for that matter. That sort of lessens your point, does it not?
What if there were a medical emergency in the vehicle that is causing the driver to be unresponsive?
In that case, the situation would be no different than if they were stroking out with their foot on the gas and hands on the wheel of a non-autopiloted vehicle. In fact, it may even be safer with autopilot controlling the speed when their stroke-addled body stiffens and floors the accelerator; the impending crash would happen at a much slower speed.
In the scenario you describe (even without my addition), autopilot is still a net positive. Things certainly wouldn't be any better in a standard vehicle, though they may be much, much worse.
And when you engage autopilot in the left lane of a 5 lane freeway? What, it's supposed to signal and get over 4 lanes before pulling to the side of the road (where the shoulder may be closed or nonexistent alongside a concrete wall or rock embankment and stopping may be forbidden by law) and stopping?
A dog does not play with a cat by picking the cat up in its mouth. I've seen cats and dogs play and they do "play bite" each other, but this was not that. This was a dog trained to eradicate small pet-sized animals, as explained by my friend (and at the time roommate) who owned the dog. I offered to keep the cat confined when the dog was out, but his solution was for the dog to live with his mother because he was certain it would happen again due to the dog's training; and because it was better for the dog to have more land to run around on and hunt as it was trained to do.
Last time my 6lb calico got into a scrape with a rather large (I'd estimate over 100lb) aussie sheppard, 'twas the dog who needed stitches. She tore up the dog's chin and chest while being held between the dog's jaws and escaped without injury.
I've got one that's half bobcat half siamese (neither of which is particularly known for being very friendly) and he's the most lovable cuddly fluffball ever. My calico is a hellcat, though.
In my childhood I had a housecat who befriended a group of bobcats (that was puzzling enough as it is) who eventually started hanging around the house. They seemed friendly enough, as well; they did circle around me one night, but when Ben (my cat at the time) came up and rubbed on my leg, they stood down, most of them sitting, some of them laying. From that point, they were either neutral or friendly toward me; I couldn't tell them apart but I would guess the ones who sat were the ones who became neutral and the ones who laid were the ones who became friendly.
TL;DR: My cat became friends with a group of bobcats and saved my life (and made me some new bobcat friends) when I was a kid.
Well, if it technically can't run on anything that's not a Mac running a recent version of macOS or iOS, I'd say Metal is technically deficient. Vulkan has the technical ability to run on pretty much anything non-Apple, and that limitation exists only because Apple won't adopt it; nobody but Apple can adopt Metal, so the situation for Vulkan can potentially improve (on top of already being a better situation to begin with) while the situation with Metal cannot.
Metal is what you do when you're the market leader, not when you're trying to gain market share.
they have a debug interface that connects to Apple-controlled software for collecting problem reports
You mean like the telemetry that people keep complaining about whenever Microsoft tries to do it? Did I just hear someone imply that Apple does the same thing?
You're absolutely right, while I'm sitting here enjoying the whole cake, I may as well cut off a 10% slice of it for you.
What? You'd rather have the 90%? Especially when supporting the other 10% means redoing 50% of the work? You don't think it's worth the investment to redo 50% of the work that the 10% might not pay for? I think you might be right about that if you're actually asking the questions I'm implying you should be...
You could just as well buy your own BlackBerry, and you could do so before the iPhone came out. Carriers ran their own hosted BES with everything enabled by default; at least, AT&T did.
I don't think it was the browser; it was almost certainly something else, you're just not looking closely enough. You even just alluded to it yourself.
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... which is how we know about it now, so we should thank that contractor. Had they not found it, someone else may have ; and that entity may have protected that knowledge better.
Never blame the person who found the flaw; blame only those tho create and exploit such flaws. Those who create open the door for those who exploit, while those who find open the door for those who fix.
Pretty sure it sucks for Honda; Toyota might sell more cars due to Honda's reduced production.
Indeed it does, but the landing sequence must be manually initiated (on all systems), and with the plane already at or near the correct approach heading (on most).
Yes, this should be within the car's capabilities at this point.
But it's not and Tesla makes it clear that it's not despite peoples' insistence that they can ignore the warnings. It's no less safe than the same emergency happening in a car without autopilot and has the potential to keep you on the road during temporary or passing emergencies (think nodding off for a few seconds while driving), so it's still a net positive... if only people would take a moment to understand its limitations, as Tesla makes no attempt to hide them.
What else would you suggest? It just disable the Autopilot and shut off the car in whatever lane it happens to be in?
Since autopilot (in a Tesla as well as on a plane) is merely a form of automated course-correction, and not a navigation feature, I would fully expect it not to take me out of the lane in which I've engaged it (save for that lane ending, of course, then it has to do so), because that is not its function. Browse the rest of this thread to see where I've already answered that question in more detail.
Since this would be a bona-fide emergency, any laws against pulling-over would likely not apply.
There you do have a point.
Well, if what you say is right, it would be the first time it she had picked up one of her living "playthings". Please understand why I have my doubts.
Indeed, I fully agree with this; it's also the same issue I take with all these "safety" features. They're intended to keep the occupant of the so-equipped vehicle safe, but often lead to unsafe conditions for other drivers as people become accustomed to responding to warning lights, beeps, chimes, and GPS directions rather than paying attention to the road and responding to actual conditions. Sometimes those safety systems can't alert fast enough to give the driver time to put down their book or coffee, which they wouldn't have been holding in both hands in the first place if they didn't have "whiz-bang new safety feature".
I wonder if anyone has done a study correlating the availability and use of certain "safety" features and accidents caused by the inattentiveness they allow drivers to exhibit while piloting the multi-ton death machine for which they're supposed to have taken responsibility. If not, someone probably should; the results could be interesting.
Right, and autopilot in a Tesla is, just like autopilot in a plane, a tool to keep you on course. On a plane, it still requires hands on stick, and even the ones capable of landing the plane won't initiate the landing sequence immediately, even in an emergency. Why do you expect that functionality in a similarly-names system in a car?
No, Tesla's autopilot (which, by the way, I do think is a horrible idea; but then, I buy nice cars because I like driving them) is pretty much spot-on in terms of replicating the navigational and course correcting abilities of commercial airliner autopilot. It's aptly names for what it is and what it does.
When a plane's autopilot "lands itself" after "detecting an emergency", the occupants usually don't survive. It appears as though Tesla got that detail right, as well.
And how did it pick up the soft and squishy cat, wiggling and struggling to not be picked up, in its mouth without squeezing? Her retaliation occurred within one or two shakes, my friend. Kitty was quick about it; we're honestly not sure how the gouges on the dog's chest happened; all we know is they were not there before I let the cat out of my room (I had just gotten home and the cat had not yet been fully introduced to the dog -- thus this incident when they met) and she ran immediately on sight of the dog so we know they didn't happen before the attack. Once she freed herself from the dog's mouth, she bolted, she didn't stick around to further attack after freeing herself. The chest scratches had to have happened in the 1/4 second in which she was in the dog's mouth, but it happened so quickly none of us saw it.
I've seen dogs hunt; my friend, the hunting dog's dog owner (whose mother also happens to have trained dogs professionally when he was growing up -- something she also trained him to do so he could assist), certainly has seen dogs hunt, another of our friends who was present when it happened has likely also seen dogs hunt. Neither friend was too fond of the cat when the attack happened, but the three of us unanimously took on the view that the dog was the aggressor and was certainly on the hunt.
Also, this is a dog that sniffs and licks her playthings before chasing them. She did not sniff or lick my cat; she did not have the opportunity to do so, as my cat bolted upon seeing her. That's when the chase was on.
And I've seen this dog play. With a tiny pomeranian, about the size of my cat and just as fast, as a matter of fact, who also runs on sight of this big dog. When the pom is cornered, as my cat was, Kima, the aussie sheppard in question, does not pick her up; she sniffs and licks, maybe nudges a little with the tip of her nose, then turns around and walks away.
It's almost like dogs have personalities and you have to actually meet one to be able to tell when it's playing or hunting. Yes, understanding general dog psychology can help you guess, but there are subtle behavioral nuances, which I didn't take the paragraphs to detail in my initially summary of the incident, which make all the difference in determining the dog's intent.
TL;DR: You weren't there and you don't know this dog, its temperament, how it was raised or trained, how it plays, how it hunts, how the situation unfolded, or, really, anything about the incident other than the handful of details I've written here (what I can recall definitively about an incident nearly a decade ago) and, possibly, some generalizations about dog psychology which are really only useful as a starting point for learning the personality traits of an individual dog. Those generalizations are not blanket truths that apply unilaterally.
This is almost verbatim what I would have responded with had you not beat me to the punch. Glad to see someone else getting it for once, thank you for that.
Funny, I use Cocoa interfaces in C, C++, Java, and even Pascal. I actually learned it was possible from a client of mine who develops Mac software in Pascal.
It's not autonomous driving, it doesn't navigate, it's glorified lane assist with the ability to maintain speed with the flow of traffic and a bit of accident avoidance logic mixed in. Far from autonomous.
Other than that, we're on the same page.
Ok? And that has stopped countless game developers from using OpenGL on macOS... when? And the GPU drivers Metal has to interface with certainly are not written in Obj-C; hell, I doubt Metal itself is, for that matter. That sort of lessens your point, does it not?
What if there were a medical emergency in the vehicle that is causing the driver to be unresponsive?
In that case, the situation would be no different than if they were stroking out with their foot on the gas and hands on the wheel of a non-autopiloted vehicle. In fact, it may even be safer with autopilot controlling the speed when their stroke-addled body stiffens and floors the accelerator; the impending crash would happen at a much slower speed.
In the scenario you describe (even without my addition), autopilot is still a net positive. Things certainly wouldn't be any better in a standard vehicle, though they may be much, much worse.
And when you engage autopilot in the left lane of a 5 lane freeway? What, it's supposed to signal and get over 4 lanes before pulling to the side of the road (where the shoulder may be closed or nonexistent alongside a concrete wall or rock embankment and stopping may be forbidden by law) and stopping?
pest-sized...
A dog does not play with a cat by picking the cat up in its mouth. I've seen cats and dogs play and they do "play bite" each other, but this was not that. This was a dog trained to eradicate small pet-sized animals, as explained by my friend (and at the time roommate) who owned the dog. I offered to keep the cat confined when the dog was out, but his solution was for the dog to live with his mother because he was certain it would happen again due to the dog's training; and because it was better for the dog to have more land to run around on and hunt as it was trained to do.
Right, people are complaining about the telemetry in Windows 10 that can't be disabled; that's the only telemetry you can't disable in Windows 10.
Last time my 6lb calico got into a scrape with a rather large (I'd estimate over 100lb) aussie sheppard, 'twas the dog who needed stitches. She tore up the dog's chin and chest while being held between the dog's jaws and escaped without injury.
I've got one that's half bobcat half siamese (neither of which is particularly known for being very friendly) and he's the most lovable cuddly fluffball ever. My calico is a hellcat, though.
In my childhood I had a housecat who befriended a group of bobcats (that was puzzling enough as it is) who eventually started hanging around the house. They seemed friendly enough, as well; they did circle around me one night, but when Ben (my cat at the time) came up and rubbed on my leg, they stood down, most of them sitting, some of them laying. From that point, they were either neutral or friendly toward me; I couldn't tell them apart but I would guess the ones who sat were the ones who became neutral and the ones who laid were the ones who became friendly.
TL;DR: My cat became friends with a group of bobcats and saved my life (and made me some new bobcat friends) when I was a kid.
If I can do it by luck, you can do it by skill.
Well, if it technically can't run on anything that's not a Mac running a recent version of macOS or iOS, I'd say Metal is technically deficient. Vulkan has the technical ability to run on pretty much anything non-Apple, and that limitation exists only because Apple won't adopt it; nobody but Apple can adopt Metal, so the situation for Vulkan can potentially improve (on top of already being a better situation to begin with) while the situation with Metal cannot.
Metal is what you do when you're the market leader, not when you're trying to gain market share.
they have a debug interface that connects to Apple-controlled software for collecting problem reports
You mean like the telemetry that people keep complaining about whenever Microsoft tries to do it? Did I just hear someone imply that Apple does the same thing?
You don't realize that you can call external libraries from any language... do you?
Maybe the rest of 4.1 that their implementation lacks or implements incorrectly?
You're absolutely right, while I'm sitting here enjoying the whole cake, I may as well cut off a 10% slice of it for you.
What? You'd rather have the 90%? Especially when supporting the other 10% means redoing 50% of the work? You don't think it's worth the investment to redo 50% of the work that the 10% might not pay for? I think you might be right about that if you're actually asking the questions I'm implying you should be...
You could just as well buy your own BlackBerry, and you could do so before the iPhone came out. Carriers ran their own hosted BES with everything enabled by default; at least, AT&T did.
I don't think it was the browser; it was almost certainly something else, you're just not looking closely enough. You even just alluded to it yourself.