Ok, I've seen similar sentiments earlier and I think criminals are probably sharper than you guys. They'll have a record of where the car was, but not who was in it. A criminal could either report the car stolen before committing the crime, or more likely just steal a car. Because, you know, that's what criminals do.
the problem isn't that I wouldn't trust a Robot Driver, but, how can you be sure it won't get hacked? or malfunction? Some things should always be left to be in control by a human.
For thousands of years driverless vehicles hauled their sleeping drunken passengers home, with navigation and engine being a horse.
In 1983, just 30 years ago, a computer with a clock speed of 4 mHz, 64k of memory, and two 5 1/4 inch floppies and a ten megabyte hard drive was over $4000. Now one with a thousand times the clock speed, a million times the memory and a million times the drive space for a tenth of that price in absolute dollars, while the cost of gasoline and many other things have quadrupled. Now do the math on your $150k car and see what one will cost in 30 years.
Your assertion that autonomous vehicles will take over fails to take into account one of the major reasons we have such a large automotive industry - people like to drive. They like to buy new cars, repair old cars, and do stupid things in fast cars.
Only some people. Most people buy cars because they need transportation, which is what people buy cars for, no matter how the TV commercials propagandize it.
If I'm the human (well, mostly human) I won't take over. When I drive to St Louis I usually do 3mph under the limit. It's usually a stress-free drive while everyone else on the road is fighting each other. I did the math and it really doesn't get me there fast enough to matter If I do 5 over. In an autonomous car that's safer than me driving I could watch the scenery (well, mostly corn) or read.
I'm sure your statements are patently false, since you use the word "never" and try to allege that ALL riders are exactly like that, which is of course absurd.
You're right, I should have said "almost never". I have seen responsible bike riders, they're so rare they stand out.
Regardless, the big difference between stupid cyclists and stupid drivers is that, when a stupid cyclist fucks up, it's extremely unlikely anyone's going to die or be seriously injured (except the cyclist)
That's the point, I don't want to be part of some idiot injuring or killing himself. I'd rather be injured myself than to injure someone else, even if it is their stupidity at fault.
Finally, as a car driver myself, I see totally stupid moves by other drivers all the time. They "never" stop for stop signs or red lights, ride on the wrong side of the road, don't signal turns, ride after dark without lights, and generally break every traffic law on the books. I never see them losing their licenses for these things.
Yes, there are way too many drivers like that but happily a minority. The difference is, they get pulled over and are issued expensive traffic tickets while a bicyclist will only be stopped if the cop suspects he's drunk.
I've had a clutch cable break while I was away from home. Lots of people might consider that a major drivetrain failure. Because I had a driver's license and knew how to drive, I was able to get the car home and then install a new cable the next morning myself.
Volkswagon Rabbit? I had one years ago, that thing went through clutch cables like nobody's business. If my then-wife would have been driving she'd have been stuck (it did happen once but I was there so we just switched drivers).
Ever had an axle break or a differential go out? I have. Broken axle is no fun, busted differential can stop the car pretty damned quick.
Imagine an autonomous vehicle with a BSOD forcing it to stop, and the humans inside have no idea how to move the vehicle to a place of safety. What hilarity!
Imagine a paraplegic whose van has a blowout. He's stuck until help comes, just like your clueless people and their bluescreened car... and AFAIK Windows is the only OS that does that, and I think it's only older versions as I haven't seen one in years.
No. There will always be a license involved, just to deal with contingencies. You do notice, I hope, that pilots still need licenses to fly even though a large part of the process is now autonomous for them, don't you?
Licenses will be needed for some time, yes, but the art and science won't stop evolving. It will be a while before cars are fully autonomous; it will happen little by little.
The IBEW won't strike over this any more than they went on strike to prevent the use of bucket trucks or remotely-read electric meters; my dad was a lineman, and for the first half of his career they had to climb the poles. Changing the bulbs in streetlights is just a tiny part of what they do, more often they're changing transformers squirrels blow up when they crawl inside to get warm.
Yes, we've had LED traffic signals here for years, and I've only seen them obstructed by snow once. You need a wet, sticky snow and a swift drop in temperature for it to happen. IINM they put remote-controlled heaters in the newer ones.
And it seldom snows upwards. I don't think I've ever seen it snow upwards.
I've been hurt driving and biking, but never walking... at least, not when I was sober. I like walking, hate winter and don't care much for summer.
I use to bicycle, but loose sand and gravel are painful bitches.
Those numbers look reasonable to me. You're usually going faster on a motorcycle than a bicycle, I would guess (as your numbers show) that that's the most dangerous form of transportation.
Human society needs some method of permanently removing those from society who are clearly a threat to other members of that society
Bullshit. 18 US states have no death penalty, Europe and most of the civilized world have no death penalty, and there's a sure way of keeping murderers off the streets -- it's called life in prison.
Everybody dies. You, me everybody, we're all under a death penalty. Live a decent, honest, peaceful life and you're going to die horribly, from accident or disease, unless you're lucky enough to die in your sleep. And you never know when it's going to happen. The condemned prisoner knows the exact time he'll die, and when he dies he's humanely put to death like a beloved pet being euthanized.
You bleeding heart conservatives make me sick. Let a murderer die a horrible death like you and I will, only after being in a cage for decades. Because death is not a penalty, it's an inevitability.
Turn the highway into a large parking lot when one car fails and the "driver" isn't qualified to pick his nose, much less manipulate the controls of his car to get it out of the way.
How's that any different than when a transmission seizes up? The 80 year old lady is going to push her Escalade to the side of the road? That's what tow trucks are for.
The simple fact is that bicycling (as much as I love it) is horrendously dangerous in urban areas, and the reason is cars (and even worse, SUVs).
From what I see around here, the number one reason cycling is dangerous is cyclists. They never stop for stop signs or red lights, ride on the wrong side of the road, don't signal turns, ride after dark without lights, and generally break every traffic law on the books. If I drove my car like cyclists ride their bikes I'd have lost my license years ago.
No, shooting beers (not to be confused with shooting beer cans, which is what they do in the country) was pretty popular back in the eighties, I remember seeing it lots of times... but never indoors. That would be pretty stupid (but beer can do that to you).
I think you have a point there; the statement "Science has so far been at a loss to explain why tapping a beer bottle with another causes it to explosively foam over" really seems suspicious to me, because the answer seems too obvious. More likely, these guys needed a paper, were drinking while trying to figure out what to write a paper on and one of them says "I wonder why that beer foams over." Next day, easy paper because they're sober and it's obvious that tapping the bottle causes a series of compression and expansion waves that generate unstable buoyant plumes, quickly turning most of the liquid into foam. Christ, I could figure that out and I'm no physicist, I just read a lot. Hmmm... that does sound reminiscent of something the professor of an undergrad general studies physics class I took over 30 years ago said. Maybe, it was a long time ago.
Easy money, these guys are pretty smart. "Hey, we can test our (pretty damned obvious) hypothesis with a laser. I'll bet it makes he beer explode!"
Let's see, I think I'll replicate their experiment... now where did I leave the cat's laser?
But the fact is, two hours of walking is still more dangerous than a two hour airline flight. The question is, what's more dangerous -- walking to work, biking to work, or driving to work? The answer is obvious; walking is safest, driving almost as safe, biking... well...
Yeah, I rode a bike for years. It's way too easy to hurt yourself or someone else to hurt you.
Whenever you attempt to edit something, your changes are usually encroaching on someone's 'turf' and they will revert your changes (even if your right)... after a few times, since your new; they will just vote to block you
Did you consider that perhaps the reason they're reverting your edits is because you're really bad at written English?
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It will follow the detour signs, OCR is pretty good these days. Notice the sign in the picture you linked? Your car will.
Here you go.
Try reading it after the reefer wears off.
Ok, I've seen similar sentiments earlier and I think criminals are probably sharper than you guys. They'll have a record of where the car was, but not who was in it. A criminal could either report the car stolen before committing the crime, or more likely just steal a car. Because, you know, that's what criminals do.
the problem isn't that I wouldn't trust a Robot Driver, but, how can you be sure it won't get hacked? or malfunction? Some things should always be left to be in control by a human.
For thousands of years driverless vehicles hauled their sleeping drunken passengers home, with navigation and engine being a horse.
In 1983, just 30 years ago, a computer with a clock speed of 4 mHz, 64k of memory, and two 5 1/4 inch floppies and a ten megabyte hard drive was over $4000. Now one with a thousand times the clock speed, a million times the memory and a million times the drive space for a tenth of that price in absolute dollars, while the cost of gasoline and many other things have quadrupled. Now do the math on your $150k car and see what one will cost in 30 years.
Your assertion that autonomous vehicles will take over fails to take into account one of the major reasons we have such a large automotive industry - people like to drive. They like to buy new cars, repair old cars, and do stupid things in fast cars.
Only some people. Most people buy cars because they need transportation, which is what people buy cars for, no matter how the TV commercials propagandize it.
If I'm the human (well, mostly human) I won't take over. When I drive to St Louis I usually do 3mph under the limit. It's usually a stress-free drive while everyone else on the road is fighting each other. I did the math and it really doesn't get me there fast enough to matter If I do 5 over. In an autonomous car that's safer than me driving I could watch the scenery (well, mostly corn) or read.
I'm sure your statements are patently false, since you use the word "never" and try to allege that ALL riders are exactly like that, which is of course absurd.
You're right, I should have said "almost never". I have seen responsible bike riders, they're so rare they stand out.
Regardless, the big difference between stupid cyclists and stupid drivers is that, when a stupid cyclist fucks up, it's extremely unlikely anyone's going to die or be seriously injured (except the cyclist)
That's the point, I don't want to be part of some idiot injuring or killing himself. I'd rather be injured myself than to injure someone else, even if it is their stupidity at fault.
Finally, as a car driver myself, I see totally stupid moves by other drivers all the time. They "never" stop for stop signs or red lights, ride on the wrong side of the road, don't signal turns, ride after dark without lights, and generally break every traffic law on the books. I never see them losing their licenses for these things.
Yes, there are way too many drivers like that but happily a minority. The difference is, they get pulled over and are issued expensive traffic tickets while a bicyclist will only be stopped if the cop suspects he's drunk.
I've had a clutch cable break while I was away from home. Lots of people might consider that a major drivetrain failure. Because I had a driver's license and knew how to drive, I was able to get the car home and then install a new cable the next morning myself.
Volkswagon Rabbit? I had one years ago, that thing went through clutch cables like nobody's business. If my then-wife would have been driving she'd have been stuck (it did happen once but I was there so we just switched drivers).
Ever had an axle break or a differential go out? I have. Broken axle is no fun, busted differential can stop the car pretty damned quick.
Imagine an autonomous vehicle with a BSOD forcing it to stop, and the humans inside have no idea how to move the vehicle to a place of safety. What hilarity!
Imagine a paraplegic whose van has a blowout. He's stuck until help comes, just like your clueless people and their bluescreened car... and AFAIK Windows is the only OS that does that, and I think it's only older versions as I haven't seen one in years.
No. There will always be a license involved, just to deal with contingencies. You do notice, I hope, that pilots still need licenses to fly even though a large part of the process is now autonomous for them, don't you?
Licenses will be needed for some time, yes, but the art and science won't stop evolving. It will be a while before cars are fully autonomous; it will happen little by little.
The IBEW won't strike over this any more than they went on strike to prevent the use of bucket trucks or remotely-read electric meters; my dad was a lineman, and for the first half of his career they had to climb the poles. Changing the bulbs in streetlights is just a tiny part of what they do, more often they're changing transformers squirrels blow up when they crawl inside to get warm.
Yes, we've had LED traffic signals here for years, and I've only seen them obstructed by snow once. You need a wet, sticky snow and a swift drop in temperature for it to happen. IINM they put remote-controlled heaters in the newer ones.
And it seldom snows upwards. I don't think I've ever seen it snow upwards.
I wonder how many smaller cities have already done this?
Next election, campaign for someone less corrupt then.
I've been hurt driving and biking, but never walking... at least, not when I was sober. I like walking, hate winter and don't care much for summer.
I use to bicycle, but loose sand and gravel are painful bitches.
Those numbers look reasonable to me. You're usually going faster on a motorcycle than a bicycle, I would guess (as your numbers show) that that's the most dangerous form of transportation.
Human society needs some method of permanently removing those from society who are clearly a threat to other members of that society
Bullshit. 18 US states have no death penalty, Europe and most of the civilized world have no death penalty, and there's a sure way of keeping murderers off the streets -- it's called life in prison.
Everybody dies. You, me everybody, we're all under a death penalty. Live a decent, honest, peaceful life and you're going to die horribly, from accident or disease, unless you're lucky enough to die in your sleep. And you never know when it's going to happen. The condemned prisoner knows the exact time he'll die, and when he dies he's humanely put to death like a beloved pet being euthanized.
You bleeding heart conservatives make me sick. Let a murderer die a horrible death like you and I will, only after being in a cage for decades. Because death is not a penalty, it's an inevitability.
Turn the highway into a large parking lot when one car fails and the "driver" isn't qualified to pick his nose, much less manipulate the controls of his car to get it out of the way.
How's that any different than when a transmission seizes up? The 80 year old lady is going to push her Escalade to the side of the road? That's what tow trucks are for.
The simple fact is that bicycling (as much as I love it) is horrendously dangerous in urban areas, and the reason is cars (and even worse, SUVs).
From what I see around here, the number one reason cycling is dangerous is cyclists. They never stop for stop signs or red lights, ride on the wrong side of the road, don't signal turns, ride after dark without lights, and generally break every traffic law on the books. If I drove my car like cyclists ride their bikes I'd have lost my license years ago.
I have no pity for you.
That's why some people put (yecch) salt in their beer. I don't think it's oils, I think it's the salt from sweat.
No, shooting beers (not to be confused with shooting beer cans, which is what they do in the country) was pretty popular back in the eighties, I remember seeing it lots of times... but never indoors. That would be pretty stupid (but beer can do that to you).
I knew I was going to get some laughs out of this link! Anybody have any mod points for this guy?
I don't know about mixing beer and lasers.
I think you have a point there; the statement "Science has so far been at a loss to explain why tapping a beer bottle with another causes it to explosively foam over" really seems suspicious to me, because the answer seems too obvious. More likely, these guys needed a paper, were drinking while trying to figure out what to write a paper on and one of them says "I wonder why that beer foams over." Next day, easy paper because they're sober and it's obvious that tapping the bottle causes a series of compression and expansion waves that generate unstable buoyant plumes, quickly turning most of the liquid into foam. Christ, I could figure that out and I'm no physicist, I just read a lot. Hmmm... that does sound reminiscent of something the professor of an undergrad general studies physics class I took over 30 years ago said. Maybe, it was a long time ago.
Easy money, these guys are pretty smart. "Hey, we can test our (pretty damned obvious) hypothesis with a laser. I'll bet it makes he beer explode!"
Let's see, I think I'll replicate their experiment... now where did I leave the cat's laser?
But the fact is, two hours of walking is still more dangerous than a two hour airline flight. The question is, what's more dangerous -- walking to work, biking to work, or driving to work? The answer is obvious; walking is safest, driving almost as safe, biking... well...
Yeah, I rode a bike for years. It's way too easy to hurt yourself or someone else to hurt you.
Whenever you attempt to edit something, your changes are usually encroaching on someone's 'turf' and they will revert your changes (even if your right)... after a few times, since your new; they will just vote to block you
Did you consider that perhaps the reason they're reverting your edits is because you're really bad at written English?
Hofstadter would be proud.
Richard, Douglas, or Leonard?