I'm with Be too, and getting the 404 message. I don't understand why ISPs are allowing themselves to get dragged into this kind of thing (which, having seen the image on Amazon, *is* an edge case and not as unprovocative as some people here would like to claim).
ISPs should be seen as common carriers. If someone mails child porn, does the Royal Mail get sued? Do we expect them to open all packages in case they contain something illegal? Why do it with ISPs?
I'm doing the same, not to get Amazon banned but to draw attention to this ridiculous situation. They'll probably just remove it though. Money >...I was going to say Art, but anything actually.
I fail to see how the point and click method of configuration is better than editing a text file than can be searched, backed up and version controlled.
I can see how a version controllable config file is ultimately superior, but every such application should have a GUI to control this too. I am technically literate, but I'm not going to waste time learning parameter names and syntax every time I want to tweak something in one of my apps. The average user is certainly never going to do any such thing, and nor should they need to.
If I ever see programs like cp become bloated with X library calls because some news reporter needs to see a GUI progress bar, I'm going to be very angry.
Yes, because only news reporters want to know how some process is getting on; the rest of us have so much time we don't mind waiting all day only for something only to find out it stalled after the first 2 seconds.
I have given up trying to get along with Chrome because I can't disable all the unpleasant javascript I never realised was out there. Back to Firefox and NoScript for me.
You forgot: Don't load your styles with javascript. If you think I'm going to whitelist your otherwise functional site because it looks ugly then... you're probably right but hell, why should I have to? Is a <link> tag so hard to write?
Totally agree, and just to add one extra point: if your site requires javascript to make the content appear, the single most important visitor to your site, the Googlebot, won't see it.
I think girlintraining's original point was, continuing your analogy, that at some stadiums illiterate people cannot even approach the burly guy with the metal detector; ie with js off you should at least have the chance to submit your data.
I was talking about central management... of NoScript. If certain js-laden sites (Gmail, for example) are deemed ok by the sysadmin, they could be whitelisted; everything else blacklisted. IIRC IE group policy doesn't have this fine grain control of javascript.
Ehm, what exactly needs to be "centrally managed" about a friggin' Web-Browser?
For example, which extensions may or may not be installed. Or what the homepage is set to. Or, disabling the Phishing Filter or enabling the Lookup-Portion of the Phishing Filter. Enable certain privacy settings by default, or disable them.
but businesses don't buy computers because they're secure, but because they solve business problems.
Urm, hopefully both?
Unfortunately, the GP has it right. Amazing as it may seem, many companies still don't seem to realise that web browsers, along with email, are the top vectors for malware.
I agree with the person who suggested Firefox/Chrome should provide methods of group managing their browsers, as surely this convenience is the main reason certain companies have an IE-only policy, rather than any security concerns (which, if added to the equation, often result in overzealous settings such as all javascript off all the time). How cool would it be if, as IT infrastructure person, you could configure everyone's NoScript whitelist from one control panel, for example?
I'm guessing you don't use extensions, and rarely open many tabs? FF crashes are unfortunately still an almost daily occurrence for me. Though this is slowly improving with each bugfix of 3.0
I have the same experience as you with IE, though: it hasn't crashed on me once in the four years since I stopped using it.
Does she have XP? I have tried Office 2007 on various XP machines and always found it dog slow. But now (reluctantly) using Vista, Word starts in 7 seconds compared to 24 for the OO 3.0 word processor. Doesn't mean I will be going back, though. OO 3 can handle Office 2007 formats which is the main thing I need. Don't see spending money on a word processor. I can wait 24 seconds to open a file; Wordpad is there for those times I need to write a quick document.
Unlike Notepad, Wordpad has bold, italic, etc - and no doubt there is a linux equiv (or ten). Launches instantly. Free. Perfectly good for 99% of uses.
- verb (used with object) 1. to pour out and spread, as a fluid. 2. to spread or scatter widely or thinly; disseminate. 3. Physics. to spread by diffusion.
It was meaning 2 I had in mind, as missiles can also literally "scatter things widely".
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Can we just skip the wait and censor all advertising now?
I'm sure many people do. Cover something up and increase its mystique.
I'm with Be too, and getting the 404 message. I don't understand why ISPs are allowing themselves to get dragged into this kind of thing (which, having seen the image on Amazon, *is* an edge case and not as unprovocative as some people here would like to claim).
ISPs should be seen as common carriers. If someone mails child porn, does the Royal Mail get sued? Do we expect them to open all packages in case they contain something illegal? Why do it with ISPs?
I'm doing the same, not to get Amazon banned but to draw attention to this ridiculous situation. They'll probably just remove it though. Money > ...I was going to say Art, but anything actually.
YML?
I fail to see how the point and click method of configuration is better than editing a text file than can be searched, backed up and version controlled.
I can see how a version controllable config file is ultimately superior, but every such application should have a GUI to control this too. I am technically literate, but I'm not going to waste time learning parameter names and syntax every time I want to tweak something in one of my apps. The average user is certainly never going to do any such thing, and nor should they need to.
If I ever see programs like cp become bloated with X library calls because some news reporter needs to see a GUI progress bar, I'm going to be very angry.
Yes, because only news reporters want to know how some process is getting on; the rest of us have so much time we don't mind waiting all day only for something only to find out it stalled after the first 2 seconds.
Yep. Python is cool. Try doing that with one of PHP's many backwards-incompatible changes.
I have given up trying to get along with Chrome because I can't disable all the unpleasant javascript I never realised was out there. Back to Firefox and NoScript for me.
You forgot:
Don't load your styles with javascript. If you think I'm going to whitelist your otherwise functional site because it looks ugly then... you're probably right but hell, why should I have to? Is a <link> tag so hard to write?
Totally agree, and just to add one extra point: if your site requires javascript to make the content appear, the single most important visitor to your site, the Googlebot, won't see it.
I think girlintraining's original point was, continuing your analogy, that at some stadiums illiterate people cannot even approach the burly guy with the metal detector; ie with js off you should at least have the chance to submit your data.
Ah yes, the experimental Reliant Robin with VTO; I remember it well. Didn't know any of those babies were still going.
And those bags don't even come with a full set of Allen Keys.
I was talking about central management... of NoScript. If certain js-laden sites (Gmail, for example) are deemed ok by the sysadmin, they could be whitelisted; everything else blacklisted. IIRC IE group policy doesn't have this fine grain control of javascript.
For example, which extensions may or may not be installed. Or what the homepage is set to. Or, disabling the Phishing Filter or enabling the Lookup-Portion of the Phishing Filter. Enable certain privacy settings by default, or disable them.
NoScript whitelist?
but businesses don't buy computers because they're secure, but because they solve business problems.
Urm, hopefully both?
Unfortunately, the GP has it right. Amazing as it may seem, many companies still don't seem to realise that web browsers, along with email, are the top vectors for malware.
I agree with the person who suggested Firefox/Chrome should provide methods of group managing their browsers, as surely this convenience is the main reason certain companies have an IE-only policy, rather than any security concerns (which, if added to the equation, often result in overzealous settings such as all javascript off all the time). How cool would it be if, as IT infrastructure person, you could configure everyone's NoScript whitelist from one control panel, for example?
Sounds like the energy is taken from eddy
... and this is sofa is it?
Last I checked there was IE, Firefox, Opera, Konquerer, Chrome, Mosaic... plenty of browsers out there.
Ooh, that was *mean*. I'm no lover of Apple, but surely Safari deserves a mention before Mosaic?
I'm guessing you don't use extensions, and rarely open many tabs? FF crashes are unfortunately still an almost daily occurrence for me. Though this is slowly improving with each bugfix of 3.0
I have the same experience as you with IE, though: it hasn't crashed on me once in the four years since I stopped using it.
Yeah, but if you click a link in one of these apps, it opens with Chrome, even if you have Firefox set as your default browser.
Does she have XP? I have tried Office 2007 on various XP machines and always found it dog slow. But now (reluctantly) using Vista, Word starts in 7 seconds compared to 24 for the OO 3.0 word processor. Doesn't mean I will be going back, though. OO 3 can handle Office 2007 formats which is the main thing I need. Don't see spending money on a word processor. I can wait 24 seconds to open a file; Wordpad is there for those times I need to write a quick document.
Unlike Notepad, Wordpad has bold, italic, etc - and no doubt there is a linux equiv (or ten). Launches instantly. Free. Perfectly good for 99% of uses.
Soulseek FTW!
from dictionary.com:
- verb (used with object)
1. to pour out and spread, as a fluid.
2. to spread or scatter widely or thinly; disseminate.
3. Physics. to spread by diffusion.
It was meaning 2 I had in mind, as missiles can also literally "scatter things widely".