And to even run MacOS you gotta purchase as system from Apple. Thats enough for the roof for me. No choice at all other than what Apple tells you to buy.
The minimum requirements for Vista with Aero are:
1.0 GHz CPU (not even in production any more...)
1.0 GB of RAM (which most current Windows PC's ship with)
Direct X 9.0 GPU with v2.0 Pixel Shader (which most modern AGP or PCI-X video cards are today, for well under 200 bucks)
128 MB video RAM (see above)
15 GB of free HDD space (if you don't have this free, I don't know what else to say)
DVD-ROM (got 10 bucks? You can buy one)
SO going thru that list I see about $500-$600. Which also gives you the ability, unlike Apple, to choose AMD or Intel, multitudes of motherboards, ATI or Nvidia (or even the new Intel embedded), multitudes of hard drives, RAM out the kazoo...
Well one could go with history and note the fact that EVERY new version of Windows has been a lot slower than the predecessor. Meanwhile every version of OS X has been faster than the predecessor.
You are very much mistaken. XP runs about 5-8% faster on the same processor and RAM as Windows 2000 did. Windows Server 2003 is leaps and bounds ahead of Windows 2000 Server in every category, in some, such as IIS, and file serving, its nearly 4x (not percent) thats FOUR TIMES faster.
If you look at the unit sales of Macs from Apple quarterly reports, you'll see that they is usually significantly larger growth YoY that in the overall PC market. That means growing market share.
Um, you really don't understand market share do you? Please get back to us after reviewing exactly how marketshare works. Please peruse http://www.pegasus3d.com/mac_sales.html. Apple's current marketshare of the PC world is now just under 2.0%
Last I checked Windows Vista is in Beta. So just how does anyone know how it's performance is at this time. The last two builds following Beta 2 are already leaps and bounds faster than Beta2 both during the install and standard functions...
And people complain about Microsoft FUD.
Were we not told by the Apple folks that the marketshare was going to boom with the release of 10.0? Then again with 10.2 and so on? And then again when they went to Intel... in fact the market share has decreased since the release of 10.0...
Except for the fact that WINE is a serious pain in the ass, doesn't support all the DirectX goodies it should, has problem with mouse control, has issues with some network features, has serious issues with sound, accelerated video and a bunch of other things that make most people say fuck it, and reboot to Windows...
1.) The average out of the box, non custom install of SUSE or Fedora, is nearly 4x the size of a Windows Server 2003 install. Yes, I'm aware there is plenty of stuff included in the Linux distro install... but most people don't need all that stuff, yet the standard install still puts it there.
2.) So Microsoft gets slammed when they "rush" a release, yet with Vista and Longhorn server, they get slammed because they keep pushing the release date back. Can't have it both ways... unless you are a rabid slashdotter/Linux fanatic.
3.) Is Apple helpful? IBM? Sun? Oracle? Didn't think so.
Microsoft gives away lots of software, for free, there are also lots of Microsoft programming tools available for FREE...
No they ain't FOSS, but they are free...
Not only did the OP of the thread claim that Ballmer lead the list he also failed to mention that both Linus and our Slashdot overlord made the list as well...
WGA doesn't do anything wrong. I could care less if it phones home. I don't use my computer for illegal activities, and I most assuredly have nothing to hide. I also have a firewall that allows me to turn off any outbound traffic should I deem it needed.
HDCP isn't Microsoft's fault, it's the RIAA's fault, so go bark up another tree on that one. Never the less my computer is a computer, not a DVD player, and I'd MUCH rather be looking at a 40" TV than my 20" monitor. Again, its exactly how I see fit to use a computer.
What do I get when I use free software? Nothing I don't already have using software I paid for, except for better hardware support, the ability to run all the software I want to run, and MUCH more importantly, no rabid long hair, sandal wearing, long beared hippies telling me how good it is to hate Microsoft and how OSS will free the world...
Only IE was singled out (of course), but there are not many browsers that pass ACID2...
Yes, I'm aware Safari does and Opera 9, but Firefox sure the heck doesn't (not unless you wanna roll your own copy anyways)...
So the two biggest installs of browsers don't pass ACID2, but it's fine to only mention the fact that IE fails it. Especially when Microsoft said that IE 7's isn't tested to pass ACID2.
Maybe if people BOTHERED TO READ THE DAMN SETUP MANUAL/DOCUMENT, they wouldn't be complaining about the XBox 360 overheating.
Nah, its far simpler to just blame Microsoft instead of the dumb ass consumer who sticks a power supply on a shag carpet or next to a 250 watt stereo that pumps out more BTU/hr than a small server.
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A FULL install of Vista Beta2 Ultimate is currently 6.3 GB...
You must not play any modern game. BF2 takes up nearly 2.1 GB and WOW 1.8 with the last patch...
And to even run MacOS you gotta purchase as system from Apple. Thats enough for the roof for me. No choice at all other than what Apple tells you to buy.
The minimum requirements for Vista with Aero are:
1.0 GHz CPU (not even in production any more...)
1.0 GB of RAM (which most current Windows PC's ship with)
Direct X 9.0 GPU with v2.0 Pixel Shader (which most modern AGP or PCI-X video cards are today, for well under 200 bucks)
128 MB video RAM (see above)
15 GB of free HDD space (if you don't have this free, I don't know what else to say)
DVD-ROM (got 10 bucks? You can buy one)
SO going thru that list I see about $500-$600. Which also gives you the ability, unlike Apple, to choose AMD or Intel, multitudes of motherboards, ATI or Nvidia (or even the new Intel embedded), multitudes of hard drives, RAM out the kazoo...
So how exactly is that "through the roof"????
You are very much mistaken. XP runs about 5-8% faster on the same processor and RAM as Windows 2000 did. Windows Server 2003 is leaps and bounds ahead of Windows 2000 Server in every category, in some, such as IIS, and file serving, its nearly 4x (not percent) thats FOUR TIMES faster.
Um, you really don't understand market share do you? Please get back to us after reviewing exactly how marketshare works. Please peruse http://www.pegasus3d.com/mac_sales.html. Apple's current marketshare of the PC world is now just under 2.0%
Are you seriously trying to say browser stats prove any type of marketshare?
By your own logic, 10.5 must really suck performance wise. You can't even get it. Thats the ulitmate in suck.
Last I checked Windows Vista is in Beta. So just how does anyone know how it's performance is at this time. The last two builds following Beta 2 are already leaps and bounds faster than Beta2 both during the install and standard functions...
And people complain about Microsoft FUD.
Were we not told by the Apple folks that the marketshare was going to boom with the release of 10.0? Then again with 10.2 and so on? And then again when they went to Intel... in fact the market share has decreased since the release of 10.0...
Which supports even less stuff than the current version of WINE, and even then the supportiblity is crappy... Its easier to just boot to Windows...
Not to mention, I don't know many Linux folks willing to spend a dime on any type of software
VMWare doesn't support DirectX (especially Direct3D and DirectSount) fully either...
That rules out the use of WINE for 90% of the Windows users out there who use Windows for games...
Except for the fact that WINE is a serious pain in the ass, doesn't support all the DirectX goodies it should, has problem with mouse control, has issues with some network features, has serious issues with sound, accelerated video and a bunch of other things that make most people say fuck it, and reboot to Windows...
Stop using pirated software, which is illegal, and you'd be able to find out.
1.) The average out of the box, non custom install of SUSE or Fedora, is nearly 4x the size of a Windows Server 2003 install. Yes, I'm aware there is plenty of stuff included in the Linux distro install... but most people don't need all that stuff, yet the standard install still puts it there.
2.) So Microsoft gets slammed when they "rush" a release, yet with Vista and Longhorn server, they get slammed because they keep pushing the release date back. Can't have it both ways... unless you are a rabid slashdotter/Linux fanatic.
3.) Is Apple helpful? IBM? Sun? Oracle? Didn't think so.
Microsoft gives away lots of software, for free, there are also lots of Microsoft programming tools available for FREE... No they ain't FOSS, but they are free...
Not only did the OP of the thread claim that Ballmer lead the list he also failed to mention that both Linus and our Slashdot overlord made the list as well...
Go figure...
WGA doesn't do anything wrong. I could care less if it phones home. I don't use my computer for illegal activities, and I most assuredly have nothing to hide. I also have a firewall that allows me to turn off any outbound traffic should I deem it needed.
HDCP isn't Microsoft's fault, it's the RIAA's fault, so go bark up another tree on that one. Never the less my computer is a computer, not a DVD player, and I'd MUCH rather be looking at a 40" TV than my 20" monitor. Again, its exactly how I see fit to use a computer.
What do I get when I use free software? Nothing I don't already have using software I paid for, except for better hardware support, the ability to run all the software I want to run, and MUCH more importantly, no rabid long hair, sandal wearing, long beared hippies telling me how good it is to hate Microsoft and how OSS will free the world...
Installing Linux doesn't give you anything.
Funny, the Microsoft software I use on my computer lets me use MY computer as I see fit as well.
So as I said, what are the "Champions of Free Software" like oh RMS or ESR doing for charity?
So, prey tell, what does RedHat, Sun, SuSe, or Oracle, the mighty champions (OK not all of them are...) of the Free Software world do for charity???
Get some up to date info please... The last time that the data that page uses was SEVEN years ago. SEVEN.
This is quite simply wrong.
Only IE was singled out (of course), but there are not many browsers that pass ACID2...
Yes, I'm aware Safari does and Opera 9, but Firefox sure the heck doesn't (not unless you wanna roll your own copy anyways)...
So the two biggest installs of browsers don't pass ACID2, but it's fine to only mention the fact that IE fails it. Especially when Microsoft said that IE 7's isn't tested to pass ACID2.
Works fine under MacOS X. Can't do anythign with the executable, but I can use the web page just fine.
Maybe if you had an up to date version of Firefox you'd be fine... cause it works with no problems here.
And people complain about Microsoft's FUD...
I'd love to know how the Xbox 360 is a disaster...
Origami has never BEEN a product so how is it a disaster?
And just how is it a timebomb pray-tell?
Google around for people that have gone thru plenty of PS2s, plenty of Apple POwerbooks, or MacBooks.
I'd love to hear how you can explain how it is poorly designed...
Maybe if people BOTHERED TO READ THE DAMN SETUP MANUAL/DOCUMENT, they wouldn't be complaining about the XBox 360 overheating.
Nah, its far simpler to just blame Microsoft instead of the dumb ass consumer who sticks a power supply on a shag carpet or next to a 250 watt stereo that pumps out more BTU/hr than a small server.
The same reason Linux fanatics install it on the original Xbox or attempt to install it on an automatic toliet flusher...
Because you can.
Kinda like Microsoft?
Except the slashdot people typically cheer when someone sues Microsoft...