hmmmm. Something about this seems a little premature to me. Ajax (nah. everything web 2.0) isnt exactly known for it's security. Javascript
has a track-record of being slightly below a paperbag in terms of security and getting it to do things the web developers didnt intend.
Now, these people are advocating the same flawed technology should be used to construct a web-os. laughable ! Rest assured the phishers and malware guys are grinning ear-to-ear right now.
That first argument aside, an OS as a service. C-mon. Call me silly, but im seeing this as a bad idea PERIOD. $$$ Big business is grinning at the idea of everyone using what basically amounts to a dumb terminal with a net connection, while they sit back and provide all the "services" at a price of course. A little forsight goes a long way...
my $.02: The problem with windows security is primarily one of legacy support. In the beginning noone even slighly cared about security, because computers were such a small part of the overall 'picture'. Of course, times changed and we all grew more dependant on these machines. An operating system is really only as valuable as it's application base. From the start, inter-processes communication was flawed lacking any authentication method, kernel / userland seperation was virtually nonexistant, and multi-user support was severally lacking; to name just a few problems. In almost all cases these issues persisted right up till XP when microsoft started to take security seriously with SP2. Microsoft just like the rest of us is new to the whole OS design thing. We've all thought of ways we can do things differently to make a more secure / better OS, and microsoft is right there with the rest of us; learning as we go. Remember all the broken legacy apps when NT4.0 came out? Hell, the only reason I still have a windows box in my home is because of the vast library of applications available to me. Now if they go changing the underlying fundamentals of how their OS works, they are going to break their greatest strength. What needs to be done is to find a way to write binaries that are more platform independant, let the application support for this grow for a few years, and then break away from the mold and implement a version of windows that incorporates everything we've learned over the last 20 years or so. Just my $.02
Someone to actually take some responsibility...WTF are you talking about?...This is the USA, noone takes responsibility anymore. Not politicians (They blame congress and other politicians), not corporations (They redirect misconduct to some lone-renegade-employee), and worst of all not the parents (They blame the teachers and society as a whole)...It's pretty obvious here that the camps are just trying to avoid bad publicity for their own shortcomings...Very few people have any integrity left...sad...
P.S....Oh pleasssse!, Wont you just think of the children!
Basically...The reason is just because...
This is the way it's pretty much always been done, it's called a monolithic kernel. In this type of OS design everything that's deemed important to proper functioning is all tossed together into basically one big area of memory. This has it's advantages (simplicity of code for one thing) and disadvantages (not very fault tolerant). The alternative is a microkernel. Where only bare essentials are part of the kernel, and everything extra runs in it's own low-privilaged virtual memory area...I know im probally gonna get flamed for this, but who cares it's just my opinion anyway, but I beleive that microkernels are the future of OS's everything else will just be crap...
After reading over a lot of the slashdot replies to this article; it's interesting to note that the majority of them are posts by people with privacy concerns. I mean, a tool is just that; an instrument that serves a purpose. As has already been said before many times; Theres nothin fundamentally wrong with this technology, but instead how it's used will be the deciding factor. While I don't give much thought to the average joe's insights or opinions, I try to pay attention to underlying themes, ideas and threads of thought that run thru society as a whole. And, right now theres a storm brewing here in the USA. Im not saying most (or even the majority), but a substancial part of the populace does have a very uneasy feeling about our government and their motives.
I'm trying to be an optimist, but despite that; I see such technology being abused to serve the interests of those in power without some type of VERY good oversight...
Let's hope other people see this also, and do something about it before technology gets too advanced and we have no choice but to play along...
Just my $.02
So whats the problem here? CO2 in solid form, would be pretty much inert, and with a little work; probally would make a great building material...Whats wrong with putting what would normally just be waste to good use...Stop being such a tree hugging hippie!
Im predicting that around 2008, we're gonna see a hugh surge in interest of alternative OS's like linux and *nixs; Coincidently this is gonna occur just slightly after everyone's gets their hands on Vista only to discover that all the DRM'd crap has severly limited what people can do. And their really gonna be pissed of when they discover that everything on their system is just being leased or rented and not really owned by them...
Being of sound mind, and a reasonable person; I can see where M$ is headed with all this...Needless to say I wont be installing it EVER (period). Microsoft seems to have forgotten a basic economic principle; in the end the consumer will decide what to consume...
Bring it on guys! We're ready...
I wouldn't want to be the tech guy trying to explain to the project admins that they would have to fork out 2.5 million dollars in license fee's to microsoft!...
Let's also not forget that having the source code allows them to make changes to fit any particular harware or software methodology...
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hmmmm. Something about this seems a little premature to me. Ajax (nah. everything web 2.0) isnt exactly known for it's security. Javascript has a track-record of being slightly below a paperbag in terms of security and getting it to do things the web developers didnt intend. Now, these people are advocating the same flawed technology should be used to construct a web-os. laughable ! Rest assured the phishers and malware guys are grinning ear-to-ear right now. That first argument aside, an OS as a service. C-mon. Call me silly, but im seeing this as a bad idea PERIOD. $$$ Big business is grinning at the idea of everyone using what basically amounts to a dumb terminal with a net connection, while they sit back and provide all the "services" at a price of course. A little forsight goes a long way...
my $.02: The problem with windows security is primarily one of legacy support. In the beginning noone even slighly cared about security, because computers were such a small part of the overall 'picture'. Of course, times changed and we all grew more dependant on these machines. An operating system is really only as valuable as it's application base. From the start, inter-processes communication was flawed lacking any authentication method, kernel / userland seperation was virtually nonexistant, and multi-user support was severally lacking; to name just a few problems. In almost all cases these issues persisted right up till XP when microsoft started to take security seriously with SP2. Microsoft just like the rest of us is new to the whole OS design thing. We've all thought of ways we can do things differently to make a more secure / better OS, and microsoft is right there with the rest of us; learning as we go. Remember all the broken legacy apps when NT4.0 came out? Hell, the only reason I still have a windows box in my home is because of the vast library of applications available to me. Now if they go changing the underlying fundamentals of how their OS works, they are going to break their greatest strength. What needs to be done is to find a way to write binaries that are more platform independant, let the application support for this grow for a few years, and then break away from the mold and implement a version of windows that incorporates everything we've learned over the last 20 years or so. Just my $.02
Someone to actually take some responsibility...WTF are you talking about?...This is the USA, noone takes responsibility anymore. Not politicians (They blame congress and other politicians), not corporations (They redirect misconduct to some lone-renegade-employee), and worst of all not the parents (They blame the teachers and society as a whole)...It's pretty obvious here that the camps are just trying to avoid bad publicity for their own shortcomings...Very few people have any integrity left...sad... P.S....Oh pleasssse!, Wont you just think of the children!
Basically...The reason is just because... This is the way it's pretty much always been done, it's called a monolithic kernel. In this type of OS design everything that's deemed important to proper functioning is all tossed together into basically one big area of memory. This has it's advantages (simplicity of code for one thing) and disadvantages (not very fault tolerant). The alternative is a microkernel. Where only bare essentials are part of the kernel, and everything extra runs in it's own low-privilaged virtual memory area...I know im probally gonna get flamed for this, but who cares it's just my opinion anyway, but I beleive that microkernels are the future of OS's everything else will just be crap...
After reading over a lot of the slashdot replies to this article; it's interesting to note that the majority of them are posts by people with privacy concerns. I mean, a tool is just that; an instrument that serves a purpose. As has already been said before many times; Theres nothin fundamentally wrong with this technology, but instead how it's used will be the deciding factor. While I don't give much thought to the average joe's insights or opinions, I try to pay attention to underlying themes, ideas and threads of thought that run thru society as a whole. And, right now theres a storm brewing here in the USA. Im not saying most (or even the majority), but a substancial part of the populace does have a very uneasy feeling about our government and their motives. I'm trying to be an optimist, but despite that; I see such technology being abused to serve the interests of those in power without some type of VERY good oversight... Let's hope other people see this also, and do something about it before technology gets too advanced and we have no choice but to play along... Just my $.02
So whats the problem here? CO2 in solid form, would be pretty much inert, and with a little work; probally would make a great building material...Whats wrong with putting what would normally just be waste to good use...Stop being such a tree hugging hippie!
Im predicting that around 2008, we're gonna see a hugh surge in interest of alternative OS's like linux and *nixs; Coincidently this is gonna occur just slightly after everyone's gets their hands on Vista only to discover that all the DRM'd crap has severly limited what people can do. And their really gonna be pissed of when they discover that everything on their system is just being leased or rented and not really owned by them... Being of sound mind, and a reasonable person; I can see where M$ is headed with all this...Needless to say I wont be installing it EVER (period). Microsoft seems to have forgotten a basic economic principle; in the end the consumer will decide what to consume... Bring it on guys! We're ready...
I wouldn't want to be the tech guy trying to explain to the project admins that they would have to fork out 2.5 million dollars in license fee's to microsoft!... Let's also not forget that having the source code allows them to make changes to fit any particular harware or software methodology...