It's unfortunate that you dislike having children educated on topics relevant to reality. That must be difficult for you.
However, we all happen to live in a society that must take some actions on behalf of the society. One of them is to have a semi-educated population. It helps to prevent witchhunts and such. Oh, also, it sustains the economy that makes us really, really rich.
Yeah, math and science are hard, and they can bring down a GPA, and the basic underlying notion of rational thinking probably does fuck with all sorts of mythological upbringings, but damn it, I like the fucking Enlightenment and you bastards are going to have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
It has not only been "proven" to 99.9%, it goes far beyond that. Either some god or gods are bullshitting us, or evolution is the way it happened. Regardless, the only thing we can possibly do is to follow the evidence in front of us. So evolution it is.
I'm glad we can agree.
(PS. You have absolutely no idea, whatsoever, regarding the state of modern biology and evolutionary theory. Stop pretending like you are "in the know" here. I've spent a decade working to become an expert on a very related topic and the sheer quantity of knowledge I have not yet merely skimmed grows with every passing day. This is grown-up stuff. If you want to play, it's going to take a little more than your pathetic little uninformed conjectures.)
We do not know how consciousness works.
We do, however, have a number of excellent theories on how it works. Many of them even survive scientific prediction/experimentation. Something, by the way, the ID camp has yet to do in its multiple millenia of existence.
Anyway, and I mean no personal offense, but I hope you are old and will die soon, as I don't think you'll be able to handle the "breakthroughs" of science in the coming few decades.
Hell, you can't even wrap your head around a simple-minded, century old idea. You all are still routinely blowing religious gaskets about something far settled and done. Imagine what would happen if your precious "unsolvable" frontiers got farmed. Madness! What would you say to the computer that first has an existential crisis? I'm gonna say the same thing my PI did: what is your meaning in life? It's to write this damn paper; shut up and get back to lab.
If you are not old, well, shut up and get used to your base-less presumptions being blown out of the water on a routine basis.
The rest of us have things to do.
Sorry, but that's just wrong. See, we have completely demonstrated that life on this planet has evolved from simpler ancestors. There is no question about it.
If one wants to come up with a new theory, they have to explain why all living (or at least sequencable) things on this planet are very nearly the same (except for a few minor variations -- like, for example, monkies have yet to build a global civilization). Of course, modern biology (and evolutionary theory) proffers a damn good explanation.
Then, you have to explain why morpohological features from the fossil record clearly demonstrate derivative (descent) from precursors morphologies.
Our common ancestor was likely a homo sapien in Europe, but if not that, we almost certainly have relations in hominid species in Africa. There is no doubt that we shared a common early mammal "mother", and we all ought to get used to the idea that we came from a basic set of Cambrian worms. Gross, sure, but that doesn't make for an intellectually compelling counter-argument.
There is no faith here. There is a huge pile of unavoidable evidence. Maybe, somehow, beyond our ability to ever recognize, some god was pulling the strings, but it doesn't really matter. Whatever it was that that this presumptive god did, it has left us with the mere ability of perception and manipulation of a natural world. We can prod it; we can make life-saving drugs with it.
I hope you are one of those theistic evolutionists. I'm not totally sure how one can rationalize the physical world and their faith otherwise, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to try. And, to be fair, I've seen some very intelligent people self-destruct due to "literal" interpretations of homilies, regardless of their "religion".
You are a good kid, but trust me, there isn't anything broadly "unsolved" on this topic. We have its number, and it would be best if religiously minded folks got past this and started prepping for rather complete theories regarding the "origin of life" and the "nature of intelligence, self-awareness, and conciousness".
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It's unfortunate that you dislike having children educated on topics relevant to reality. That must be difficult for you.
However, we all happen to live in a society that must take some actions on behalf of the society. One of them is to have a semi-educated population. It helps to prevent witchhunts and such. Oh, also, it sustains the economy that makes us really, really rich.
Yeah, math and science are hard, and they can bring down a GPA, and the basic underlying notion of rational thinking probably does fuck with all sorts of mythological upbringings, but damn it, I like the fucking Enlightenment and you bastards are going to have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
It has not only been "proven" to 99.9%, it goes far beyond that. Either some god or gods are bullshitting us, or evolution is the way it happened. Regardless, the only thing we can possibly do is to follow the evidence in front of us. So evolution it is. I'm glad we can agree. (PS. You have absolutely no idea, whatsoever, regarding the state of modern biology and evolutionary theory. Stop pretending like you are "in the know" here. I've spent a decade working to become an expert on a very related topic and the sheer quantity of knowledge I have not yet merely skimmed grows with every passing day. This is grown-up stuff. If you want to play, it's going to take a little more than your pathetic little uninformed conjectures.)
We do not know how consciousness works. We do, however, have a number of excellent theories on how it works. Many of them even survive scientific prediction/experimentation. Something, by the way, the ID camp has yet to do in its multiple millenia of existence. Anyway, and I mean no personal offense, but I hope you are old and will die soon, as I don't think you'll be able to handle the "breakthroughs" of science in the coming few decades. Hell, you can't even wrap your head around a simple-minded, century old idea. You all are still routinely blowing religious gaskets about something far settled and done. Imagine what would happen if your precious "unsolvable" frontiers got farmed. Madness! What would you say to the computer that first has an existential crisis? I'm gonna say the same thing my PI did: what is your meaning in life? It's to write this damn paper; shut up and get back to lab. If you are not old, well, shut up and get used to your base-less presumptions being blown out of the water on a routine basis. The rest of us have things to do.
Sorry, but that's just wrong. See, we have completely demonstrated that life on this planet has evolved from simpler ancestors. There is no question about it.
If one wants to come up with a new theory, they have to explain why all living (or at least sequencable) things on this planet are very nearly the same (except for a few minor variations -- like, for example, monkies have yet to build a global civilization). Of course, modern biology (and evolutionary theory) proffers a damn good explanation.
Then, you have to explain why morpohological features from the fossil record clearly demonstrate derivative (descent) from precursors morphologies.
Our common ancestor was likely a homo sapien in Europe, but if not that, we almost certainly have relations in hominid species in Africa. There is no doubt that we shared a common early mammal "mother", and we all ought to get used to the idea that we came from a basic set of Cambrian worms. Gross, sure, but that doesn't make for an intellectually compelling counter-argument.
There is no faith here. There is a huge pile of unavoidable evidence. Maybe, somehow, beyond our ability to ever recognize, some god was pulling the strings, but it doesn't really matter. Whatever it was that that this presumptive god did, it has left us with the mere ability of perception and manipulation of a natural world. We can prod it; we can make life-saving drugs with it.
I hope you are one of those theistic evolutionists. I'm not totally sure how one can rationalize the physical world and their faith otherwise, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to try. And, to be fair, I've seen some very intelligent people self-destruct due to "literal" interpretations of homilies, regardless of their "religion".
You are a good kid, but trust me, there isn't anything broadly "unsolved" on this topic. We have its number, and it would be best if religiously minded folks got past this and started prepping for rather complete theories regarding the "origin of life" and the "nature of intelligence, self-awareness, and conciousness".