Point #1. I was not making a spelling flame, I was simply using your terms when you said you would spell things out, you then went to amost unfair and biased comparison. Thus my point about spelling. Secondly you are simply incorrect when you state that CF requires a db server. It doesn't. Any ODBC compliant database with the appropriate drives can be used. Given your arguements, you can make the same case for other systems as well. I have developed CF apps for systems that have used backends from M$ Access to Oracle and SQL Server. The big point of CF is that it is flexible. You are not limited to a fixed choice. Moreover there is a version that is free. NADA Does not cost anything. Am I being clear. As for a few overviews, here a few recent reviews from such sources as PC Week, PC Computing, Internet Week etc. I found quite a few more but I thought that these would be appropriate: http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,41 61,402305,00.html http://www.nwc.com/1010/1010f166.html#1 http://newmedia.com/newmedia/99/02/feature/web.htm l http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayArchive.pl ?/98/40/i07-40.52.htm http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/reviews/0105/05cold.ht ml http://www.informationweek.com/727/appserv.htm regards, larry
Cold Fusion Express, free NT Server. a grad (probably less) M$ Access97 $80 and what the hey they'll throw in the rest of the office suite for free. PC powerful enough to run all this - minimum a grand
I see no 12 grand. What is the cost comparison with PHP. I do not understand where you seem to think that CF requires SQL Server? You can serve M$ Access or MySQL databases for crying out loud. I think you need some remediation lessons in spelling.
As for advantages, ease of use, portability, you can serve CF pages on Solaris, NT and soon Linux. It also runs on most major servers, including IIS, Netscape, O'Reilly and Apache. Try that with PHP. With the addition of J-Run and CF_Anywhere, you can run cold fusion on any platform that runs Java, You can even set it up to run off a CD-ROM.
"I'll be straight up and say that I have never used Cold Fusion."
Then you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Your user name would appear to be signularly appropriate.
That out of the way any comments you make regarding CF seems to be due to sheer ignorance of the topic. Given your willing ignorance, should anything you say about Cold Fusion be given any weight at all, beyond a rant.
>That outta the way, I gotta ask Why does anyone? To you use Cold Fusion youneed a fast machine with lotsa RAM, Windows NT Server, Oracle or MS SQL Server and we are talking about 12 grand US for even a small implementation."
Pardon, given that the above comment is from someone who doesn't know or has used Cold Fusion, and is talking about cost estimates. In other words this is pure bs. Cold Fusion costs range from Free, for the Cold Fusion Express Server, to $3000 or so for the Enterprise version. It will serve any, repeat ANY ODBC compliant database, M$Access, SQL Server, Oracle, whatever. So for a small implementation, after paying for the box itself, and then getting a decent web server and your high speed connection, you download CF Express. Your total cost is far less than your 12 grand. Try doing some real research on costs etc.
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Point #1. I was not making a spelling flame, I was simply using your terms when you said you would spell things out, you then went to amost unfair and biased comparison. Thus my point about spelling. Secondly you are simply incorrect when you state that CF requires a db server. It doesn't. Any ODBC compliant database with the appropriate drives can be used. Given your arguements, you can make the same case for other systems as well. I have developed CF apps for systems that have used backends from M$ Access to Oracle and SQL Server. The big point of CF is that it is flexible. You are not limited to a fixed choice. Moreover there is a version that is free. NADA Does not cost anything. Am I being clear. As for a few overviews, here a few recent reviews from such sources as PC Week, PC Computing, Internet Week etc. I found quite a few more but I thought that these would be appropriate: http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,41 61,402305,00.html http://www.nwc.com/1010/1010f166.html#1 http://newmedia.com/newmedia/99/02/feature/web.htm l http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayArchive.pl ?/98/40/i07-40.52.htm http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/reviews/0105/05cold.ht ml http://www.informationweek.com/727/appserv.htm regards, larry
As I said,
Cold Fusion Express, free
NT Server. a grad (probably less)
M$ Access97 $80 and what the hey they'll throw in the rest of the office suite for free.
PC powerful enough to run all this - minimum a grand
I see no 12 grand. What is the cost comparison with PHP. I do not understand where you seem to think that CF requires SQL Server? You can serve M$ Access or MySQL databases for crying out loud. I think you need some remediation lessons in spelling.
As for advantages, ease of use, portability, you can serve CF pages on Solaris, NT and soon Linux. It also runs on most major servers, including IIS, Netscape, O'Reilly and Apache. Try that with PHP. With the addition of J-Run and CF_Anywhere, you can run cold fusion on any platform that runs Java, You can even set it up to run off a CD-ROM.
The thing I'd be worried about is if this handheld had an integrated calculator in it. Would you always get 42?
regards,
larry
"I'll be straight up and say that I have never used Cold Fusion."
Then you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Your user name would appear to be signularly appropriate.
That out of the way any comments you make regarding CF seems to be due to sheer ignorance of the topic. Given your willing ignorance, should anything you say about Cold Fusion be given any weight at all, beyond a rant.
>That outta the way, I gotta ask Why does anyone? To you use Cold Fusion youneed a fast machine with lotsa RAM, Windows NT Server, Oracle or MS SQL Server and we are talking about 12 grand US for even a small implementation."
Pardon, given that the above comment is from someone who doesn't know or has used Cold Fusion, and is talking about cost estimates. In other words this is pure bs. Cold Fusion costs range from Free, for the Cold Fusion Express Server, to $3000 or so for the Enterprise version. It will serve any, repeat ANY ODBC compliant database, M$Access, SQL Server, Oracle, whatever. So for a small implementation, after paying for the box itself, and then getting a decent web server and your high speed connection, you download CF Express. Your total cost is far less than your 12 grand. Try doing some real research on costs etc.