The Mac Pro isn't for the 97%. For example, those FirePro's in it are $1000 each. The processor is $1000-$2000 depending on speed. I suspect the Mac Pro will start at no less than $4,999, and that's not a price range the 97% will be looking at.
I'm not tuppe666, but 15 years ago, servers had PCI-X slots.
20Gbps isn't nearly as fast as you might think. Most 15 year old servers could do that pretty easily. Any server with 3 (or more) PCI-X slots (each of which can do 8.5Gbps) would be able to transfer data that fast, and most servers had more than 3 slots.
That said, the new Mac Pro has 6 such 20Gbps thunderbolt ports, and 4 USB 3.0 ports (5Gbps). You would be pretty hard pressed to use all that bandwidth up, assuming of course that the Mac Pro could keep up and there isn't an internal bottleneck somewhere. My current system for example would need 3 of those thunderbolt ports to drive my storage needs currently (assuming a 100% efficiency on the thunderbolt ports).
My current system has 2 SATA-3 SSD drives in a RAID-0, and 10 3TB drives in a RAID-6. I would need to split the RAID-6 up across a couple thunderbolt ports because a single port doesn't have the throughput to handle it even at 100% efficiency. I get 2.7GBs off it now (21.6Gbps). And I have a spare 3TB drive that isn't in any kind of RAID (It used to be RAID-1, but one drive died, and I haven't replaced it yet). Still very doable, and leaving half the ports free for other stuff. And for external transfers I use SFF-8088 cables (4xSATA-3).
The video in the Mac Pro is awesome, although I would have preferred a NVidia solution to ATI, but that's just my preference. The 12-core Xeon definitely bests my 6-core CPU in all but single threaded apps and games.
First, I never said my situation was normal. I said that today's HDD's in a NAS would max out a 1Gbs network connection all by itself. Forget a raid, a single drive would do it. No, these aren't raptors, these are the cheapo Seagate consumer drives like the ST3000DM001. With read speeds of 210MB/s (1.6Gb/sec), even that would max out a 1Gb/sec LAN connection quite easily. Never mind someone that wanted to put 3-5 drives in a NAS. These aren't hypothetical numbers, these are real world results that I've verified myself. I've had NAS systems from a few different vendors, and after trying to use them, I decided a NAS wasn't the route to go with only a 1Gb/sec link, and 10Gb ethernet, at least at the time, wasn't worth the expense. Considering how well NAS's sell, it's not a "geek-only" thing.
As for your expectation of the "average person", your insight is one data point, tainted by the fact that you are repairing old shit. A more accurate view would show that the average person isn't running a pentium D. 56.1% of the computers people actually use support SSE 4.2, which a pentium D doesn't support, nor does the core 2. Only the i3/i5/i7 and much later AMD chips support that. So the average person can't possibly be running these systems you speak of, CPU wise. 12% of computers have 2GB of ram, and 18.5% have 3GB of ram. That only accounts for 31% of the computers out there. The rest are all 4GB+, pretty evenly distributed between 4GB, 8GB, and 12+GB.
You are right however, that most people don't have a second internal drive (for desktops), and definitely not a RAID, and the majority of people just use the IGP of the chipset. HD's range from 250GB to 1TB on average, with newer purchases being between 500GB and 3TB. As for the network chip, I think you'd find that a good majority support 1Gb ethernet, not the 10/100 you claim. Even a good deal of pentium-D motherboards supported 1Gb ethernet, and as I said before, MOST people aren't running machines that old. A old piece of crap I still have laying around (A few builds of mine ago), has a core 2 in a Asus P5B motherboard from *7 years ago* had 1Gb ethernet.
If my 7 year old, core 2 can easily saturate a 1Gb link, I think it's easy to say that the average person running the average computer could easily max out a 100Mbps link without trying very hard. Thinking otherwise is silly.
Considering you are a "repair tech", not knowing that a PCIe X1 slot doesn't have nearly the throughput to support a 10Gbps card is rather interesting. Even assuming you are talking about a PCIe 3.0 X1 slot, which I doubt you were since those are still fairly new (last couple years), and a PCIe 2.x X1 slot only has 500MB/sec throughput before overhead, 400MB/sec after overhead (best theoretical). Real world, that would be enough to handle a 1Gb ethernet link, but not much more than that. Not even remotely close to handling a 10Gb ethernet link.
If you want to make yourself out to be a techie, at least know what you are talking about, or you just make yourself look silly. Nothing worse than someone who talks like they know what they are talking about when they don't.
Lol, and I just totally botched that one up myself. I meant 50-60MB/sec to 1.2GB/sec.
I just retested, I only get 928MB/sec write, but 2391MB (2.3GB)/sec read. Even 10Gb ethernet would bottleneck that, but at least at a more reasonable point. Then I could move my RAID array to an external storage machine.
You are confusing GB and Gb. Today's hard drives, even the spinning disks of metallic dust kind can write and read faster than 1Gb. I had a NAS attached to my machine via 1Gb, but found it was too slow, so I moved my RAID internal (sorta). Internal RAID card with cables that run to an external enclosure. Speed went from 50-60GB/sec to 1.2TB/sec.
Ok, I pulled out of my driveway. Whew, that was far. Now what were you saying? I'll see the REAL deal? Oh.
what you are describing exists ONLY in a few coastal cities
Chicago? A coastal city? That's a new on me. I guess if you want to consider Lake Michigan a coast, then sure. Do you could any city with a river within 30 miles or pond a coastal city too?
Hell I'd pay good money to see you try to bike through MLK in DFW, Memphis, or pretty much any major city
I would consider Chicago a major city. Yes, the same city I just talked about. Wow, your reading comprehension is pretty low.
If you believe those bullshit numbers the government keeps pulling out its ass
Get off your lazy butt, stop bitching about how the world is ending, and realize that you are all alone. Housing prices have gone up 15% on average NATION WIDE. The stock market is up 25%-ish this year alone. The government says unemployment is down to less than 7.5%. Banks are making credit available again. Interest rates are rising. Hairyfeet says we have a dead economy. Which one of those things doesn't belong? If you think we still have a dead economy, I'd have a bridge to sell you, but apparently you don't have the money for a gum ball let alone a bridge. I'll sell it to one of the other 92.5% that realize the world isn't ending.
I don't know. I'm still pissed the Linus isn't making security patches for my copy of Linux 0.6 he released. Why not? It should be easy to back port the security patches.
Well except that it IS windows, just running on the ARM processor. Do you refuse to call linux linux if it's not running on a Intel processor? Just for grins, you realize that Windows used to run on different processors (Alpha, RISC) a long time ago, until they faded into oblivion, right?
The president can quite literally change the rules about what is patentable through an executive order, however, if that would stand up in court would be questionable. The fact that changing patent law wouldn't really go against anything in the constitution directly would probably hold a lot of weight. Of course, if the president is found to have overstepped his bounds, he can always be removed from office for it as well if the offense is big enough.
Sure it makes sense, you are sweating the implementation. You could for example charge a large up front Application Fee, that the bulk of it gets refunded if the patent is accepted, or not if it's rejected. Pretty simple.
You make the Rejected Fee large enough and sure as shit you'll see some commercial entities pop up that will pre-scan your patent for less than the reject fee, and make sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed before they submit it to the USPTO (for a fee of course). This shifts the burden of dealing with junk patents to the free market, and increases the quality of patents the USPTO sees, and with the higher fees, they can even staff better, and now they have an incentive to make sure bad patents get rejected, and like all things, money is a great motivator.
First of all, what "dead economy"? We have an unemployment rate of 7.5%, which is still higher than normal for the US, but lower than many countries. Secondly, it's not magic to happen to live in a non-shitty state. Come to Illinois, between the metra trains, and a bike, you can get anywhere. Live in the suburbs, bike to the train, and either walk or ride or bike the office. It's not a magic state, and it has some of it's own problems, but public transportation isn't one of them mostly. And no, you don't need a BPV or a 9mm downtown. Not unless you want to go into the bad neighborhoods, which unless you are a large person and of a minority race I'd highly recommend you don't live there anyway, and most jobs are around the central loop, far far away from any bad neighborhoods.
Not all the roads have bike lanes, but many of them do, with more and more of them popping up every day.
Then you'd love mine. About $0.065/kWh in the Chicago suburbs. But that's what you get when you actually use nuclear power (55% of our power comes from nuclear reactors).
Designing anything based on feedback from slashdot is probably exactly the wrong thing to do. Take whatever feedback you get from slashdot, and do the exact opposite and you will likely have a booming business. Catering to the whims of the 0.04% of the population of slashdot will likely doom your business to 1% of that 0.04%.
I'd rather take the $800/year in "laptop fees", and $50/month in "cellular fees" and have them deposit it directly into my checking account. Oh wait, that is BYOD.
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The Mac Pro isn't for the 97%. For example, those FirePro's in it are $1000 each. The processor is $1000-$2000 depending on speed. I suspect the Mac Pro will start at no less than $4,999, and that's not a price range the 97% will be looking at.
Correction, SATA III has a transfer rate of 600MB/s, or 6000mb/s. You either got your bits and bytes mixed up, or you dropped a 0.
I'm not tuppe666, but 15 years ago, servers had PCI-X slots.
20Gbps isn't nearly as fast as you might think. Most 15 year old servers could do that pretty easily. Any server with 3 (or more) PCI-X slots (each of which can do 8.5Gbps) would be able to transfer data that fast, and most servers had more than 3 slots.
That said, the new Mac Pro has 6 such 20Gbps thunderbolt ports, and 4 USB 3.0 ports (5Gbps). You would be pretty hard pressed to use all that bandwidth up, assuming of course that the Mac Pro could keep up and there isn't an internal bottleneck somewhere. My current system for example would need 3 of those thunderbolt ports to drive my storage needs currently (assuming a 100% efficiency on the thunderbolt ports).
My current system has 2 SATA-3 SSD drives in a RAID-0, and 10 3TB drives in a RAID-6. I would need to split the RAID-6 up across a couple thunderbolt ports because a single port doesn't have the throughput to handle it even at 100% efficiency. I get 2.7GBs off it now (21.6Gbps). And I have a spare 3TB drive that isn't in any kind of RAID (It used to be RAID-1, but one drive died, and I haven't replaced it yet). Still very doable, and leaving half the ports free for other stuff. And for external transfers I use SFF-8088 cables (4xSATA-3).
The video in the Mac Pro is awesome, although I would have preferred a NVidia solution to ATI, but that's just my preference. The 12-core Xeon definitely bests my 6-core CPU in all but single threaded apps and games.
Well except that some of us have been using PCIe flash for years. It's not an apple invention.
First, I never said my situation was normal. I said that today's HDD's in a NAS would max out a 1Gbs network connection all by itself. Forget a raid, a single drive would do it. No, these aren't raptors, these are the cheapo Seagate consumer drives like the ST3000DM001. With read speeds of 210MB/s (1.6Gb/sec), even that would max out a 1Gb/sec LAN connection quite easily. Never mind someone that wanted to put 3-5 drives in a NAS. These aren't hypothetical numbers, these are real world results that I've verified myself. I've had NAS systems from a few different vendors, and after trying to use them, I decided a NAS wasn't the route to go with only a 1Gb/sec link, and 10Gb ethernet, at least at the time, wasn't worth the expense. Considering how well NAS's sell, it's not a "geek-only" thing.
As for your expectation of the "average person", your insight is one data point, tainted by the fact that you are repairing old shit. A more accurate view would show that the average person isn't running a pentium D. 56.1% of the computers people actually use support SSE 4.2, which a pentium D doesn't support, nor does the core 2. Only the i3/i5/i7 and much later AMD chips support that. So the average person can't possibly be running these systems you speak of, CPU wise. 12% of computers have 2GB of ram, and 18.5% have 3GB of ram. That only accounts for 31% of the computers out there. The rest are all 4GB+, pretty evenly distributed between 4GB, 8GB, and 12+GB.
You are right however, that most people don't have a second internal drive (for desktops), and definitely not a RAID, and the majority of people just use the IGP of the chipset. HD's range from 250GB to 1TB on average, with newer purchases being between 500GB and 3TB. As for the network chip, I think you'd find that a good majority support 1Gb ethernet, not the 10/100 you claim. Even a good deal of pentium-D motherboards supported 1Gb ethernet, and as I said before, MOST people aren't running machines that old. A old piece of crap I still have laying around (A few builds of mine ago), has a core 2 in a Asus P5B motherboard from *7 years ago* had 1Gb ethernet.
If my 7 year old, core 2 can easily saturate a 1Gb link, I think it's easy to say that the average person running the average computer could easily max out a 100Mbps link without trying very hard. Thinking otherwise is silly.
Considering you are a "repair tech", not knowing that a PCIe X1 slot doesn't have nearly the throughput to support a 10Gbps card is rather interesting. Even assuming you are talking about a PCIe 3.0 X1 slot, which I doubt you were since those are still fairly new (last couple years), and a PCIe 2.x X1 slot only has 500MB/sec throughput before overhead, 400MB/sec after overhead (best theoretical). Real world, that would be enough to handle a 1Gb ethernet link, but not much more than that. Not even remotely close to handling a 10Gb ethernet link.
If you want to make yourself out to be a techie, at least know what you are talking about, or you just make yourself look silly. Nothing worse than someone who talks like they know what they are talking about when they don't.
Lol, and I just totally botched that one up myself. I meant 50-60MB/sec to 1.2GB/sec.
I just retested, I only get 928MB/sec write, but 2391MB (2.3GB)/sec read. Even 10Gb ethernet would bottleneck that, but at least at a more reasonable point. Then I could move my RAID array to an external storage machine.
You are confusing GB and Gb. Today's hard drives, even the spinning disks of metallic dust kind can write and read faster than 1Gb. I had a NAS attached to my machine via 1Gb, but found it was too slow, so I moved my RAID internal (sorta). Internal RAID card with cables that run to an external enclosure. Speed went from 50-60GB/sec to 1.2TB/sec.
take a little road trip to the midwest
Ok, I pulled out of my driveway. Whew, that was far. Now what were you saying? I'll see the REAL deal? Oh.
what you are describing exists ONLY in a few coastal cities
Chicago? A coastal city? That's a new on me. I guess if you want to consider Lake Michigan a coast, then sure. Do you could any city with a river within 30 miles or pond a coastal city too?
Hell I'd pay good money to see you try to bike through MLK in DFW, Memphis, or pretty much any major city
I would consider Chicago a major city. Yes, the same city I just talked about. Wow, your reading comprehension is pretty low.
If you believe those bullshit numbers the government keeps pulling out its ass
Get off your lazy butt, stop bitching about how the world is ending, and realize that you are all alone. Housing prices have gone up 15% on average NATION WIDE. The stock market is up 25%-ish this year alone. The government says unemployment is down to less than 7.5%. Banks are making credit available again. Interest rates are rising. Hairyfeet says we have a dead economy. Which one of those things doesn't belong? If you think we still have a dead economy, I'd have a bridge to sell you, but apparently you don't have the money for a gum ball let alone a bridge. I'll sell it to one of the other 92.5% that realize the world isn't ending.
I don't know. I'm still pissed the Linus isn't making security patches for my copy of Linux 0.6 he released. Why not? It should be easy to back port the security patches.
Well except that it IS windows, just running on the ARM processor. Do you refuse to call linux linux if it's not running on a Intel processor? Just for grins, you realize that Windows used to run on different processors (Alpha, RISC) a long time ago, until they faded into oblivion, right?
Like most people, she probably pushes the power button on the front of the PC it which initiates a shut down. That's not hard.
Really not that much harder than turning off an iDevice. How do you do that again? What screen prompt is there to let you know how to do that?
As an American, I would +5 funny that if I had mod points left over. Budweiser is crap.
The president can quite literally change the rules about what is patentable through an executive order, however, if that would stand up in court would be questionable. The fact that changing patent law wouldn't really go against anything in the constitution directly would probably hold a lot of weight. Of course, if the president is found to have overstepped his bounds, he can always be removed from office for it as well if the offense is big enough.
Sure it makes sense, you are sweating the implementation. You could for example charge a large up front Application Fee, that the bulk of it gets refunded if the patent is accepted, or not if it's rejected. Pretty simple.
You make the Rejected Fee large enough and sure as shit you'll see some commercial entities pop up that will pre-scan your patent for less than the reject fee, and make sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed before they submit it to the USPTO (for a fee of course). This shifts the burden of dealing with junk patents to the free market, and increases the quality of patents the USPTO sees, and with the higher fees, they can even staff better, and now they have an incentive to make sure bad patents get rejected, and like all things, money is a great motivator.
First of all, what "dead economy"? We have an unemployment rate of 7.5%, which is still higher than normal for the US, but lower than many countries. Secondly, it's not magic to happen to live in a non-shitty state. Come to Illinois, between the metra trains, and a bike, you can get anywhere. Live in the suburbs, bike to the train, and either walk or ride or bike the office. It's not a magic state, and it has some of it's own problems, but public transportation isn't one of them mostly. And no, you don't need a BPV or a 9mm downtown. Not unless you want to go into the bad neighborhoods, which unless you are a large person and of a minority race I'd highly recommend you don't live there anyway, and most jobs are around the central loop, far far away from any bad neighborhoods.
Not all the roads have bike lanes, but many of them do, with more and more of them popping up every day.
The EU isn't a country, duh.
Add Japan.
I would recommend moving to another state, because yours sounds like crap.
Then you'd love mine. About $0.065/kWh in the Chicago suburbs. But that's what you get when you actually use nuclear power (55% of our power comes from nuclear reactors).
Most can.
That was silly by the hedge funds. Tesla has tripled my money so far, and I expect it to do very very well in the next few years.
No, but I can guess what the color and smell of all matter in a 100nm radius around ur anus.
Designing anything based on feedback from slashdot is probably exactly the wrong thing to do. Take whatever feedback you get from slashdot, and do the exact opposite and you will likely have a booming business. Catering to the whims of the 0.04% of the population of slashdot will likely doom your business to 1% of that 0.04%.
I use an abacus to access the internet, and even now and then I swear the government is moving some of the beads while I blink.
I'd rather take the $800/year in "laptop fees", and $50/month in "cellular fees" and have them deposit it directly into my checking account. Oh wait, that is BYOD.