I was thinking more along the lines of Crimea, Israel/Palestine, the Mexican-American War, etc. Realpolitik. If you want to decry violence, and set up a truly moral and free state...good luck. Eventually someone else is gonna come along and take/ruin your shit. Call it immoral or not "true freedom" all you like. It's reality.
"Google demands that you use/prominently feature some of their services. Again, you may free use core Android OS sans Google Play and associated services. Tell me again about the coercion."
I think you are incorrect here and that is the crux of the problem. Device manufacturers that want to sell even ONE device that includes Google Play et al are seemingly forbidden from offering other devices that compete with those services.
"Notably, it seems that the AFA is a company-wide document, binding a manufacturer for all of its present and even future devices. Thus, AFA obligations apply to the entire operations of the companies that sign."
You're a faggot, and she definitely was crying for the sake of crying. If internet privacy is such a petty concern in the face of more important worries, then shut the fuck up and go work on those issues instead of whining about it.
Everything she is crying about (robots, H1Bs, healthcare, wars, kids college costs, political blah blah blah) is unimportant to me. Internet privacy is important to me, and that's the topic here.
whatever....apply a completely non-related XKCD cartoon to your personal deficiencies and call it a day. i'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
I think it depends on your choices and priorities. How much per year does the average person spend on smartphones, internet, electricity, gasoline, auto insurance, car payments, etc. etc.? The only things we truly need in life is food, shelter and medical attention if we are sick...Where you choose to live or go to school plays a big part in the cost.
Personally, I chose to join the military, I'm essentially retired at 39, and the government pays me a little over $2000/month to go to school full-time (GI Bill) and another $5900/yr (Pell Grant). I have to pay for books and tuition, but if you shop around you can determine your own balance of cost and quality. Life choices.
School doesn't have to cost more than $10k a year. Pell Grant alone is enough to not only pay for an associates degree at a local community college, it will most like net you some actual profit. I understand that an Masters or PhD is a different beast altogether, but my point is that you don't necessarily need a ton of money to go to college (scholarships and other grants are plentiful as well).
And my original point was that employers requiring a college degree that doesn't relate to the job activity itself, does not necessarily make it an unreasonable standard for employment. Anyone can be trained in a specific job or skill (albeit with varying degrees of effort). Things like a positive attitude and a genuine desire to seek self-improvement can't really be instilled in people. It has to come from within, and I believe pursuit of higher education is a very strong indicator of those traits. I think that requiring a college degree for a job is no more unreasonable than requiring that a person has a clean criminal/credit record or quality references from past employers etc.
I find it disheartening that so many people see education as a means to an end (to make more money), rather than an end in itself. I think we all spend plenty of money of much more frivolous things than education. Everything in life has cost/benefit concerns.
Wish I had some mod points. I really hate that college degrees in the US are often viewed solely some kind of career prep/vocational training. Higher education does have to be geared towards some specific job; it can be an end in itself, and it has its own intrinsic value.
there simply is no other source beyond fossil fuels to provide the amount of energy we consume, with the exception of nuclear. i would love to see investment in nuclear power, but i don't have any illusions that it would not require heavy subsidies from the government to become a dominant source of electricity.
i guess if you are willing to take all those CO2 tax dollars and invest in nuke power, i could get on board. it's probably ain't gonna happen any time soon though.
if there was an economically viable answer, we'd be using it. wind and solar is a joke at any sort of scale, and nuclear comes with its own baggage. then you have the battery manufacturing/disposal to consider as well. it's also worth noting that chevy takes a significant loss on every volt they sell (the OP's vehicle).
So we need someone like Trump to convince people that electric vehicles work? Pretty sad when you think about it considering I've driven a Volt for 3 years and it's been a great car. Ironic isn't it. What's next, Trump says global warming is real and suddenly everyone who's a climate denier changes?
I have never needed convincing that electric vehicles work. I just don't think they are a viable alternative to fossil fuels. Especially considering most of the electricity to power electric vehicles comes from.....FOSSIL FUELS!
But any time you stop using a hard drive you should clean it. I have probably 6 hard drives on a shelf in my house because I've replaced them with larger or faster drives. Each one has had the free space randomized twice and then set to all zeros afterward. Bank info, taxes, official (unclassified) work files, all of those have been on them in some variety at some points, and if they are ever disposed, I don't want any of that to be easily recoverable. I have never used it to destroy evidence when it was requested by investigators, as I am not a wealthy and powerful person, I would end up incriminating myself by doing so.
This was my thought as well. I will say up front that I don't like Hillary and I think she's unquestionably guilty of mishandling classified information, but I think it's entirely within the realm of reason that her server was wiped as a matter of standard procedure vs something more nefarious. I wouldn't put it past her to have it wiped to prevent anything she doesn't want us to know, but I would hope that anyone involved in government IT wipes drive as a matter of SOP.
I blame the media hysteria that has mischaracterized the nature of recent police shootings. There is a good chance she was afraid that she would be shot anyway and saw the shotgun as a means of postponing the inevitable
I don't even care anymore. What I thought was interesting about the article was the govt shutting down her Facebook, especially the implications it might have in other countries. Not only that, but I am curious why LE did not try to negotiate with her (and even others that were allegedly influencing her) thru Facebook rather than shut her off. It was a 5 hr standoff, why not try it at least? Maybe this pussy millenial is more influenced thru social media than direct interaction.
so are we just going to ignore that the cops fired first?
Not at all. Nor should we ignore that she pulled a loaded shotgun, pointed at them and verbally threatened to kill them first.
i do blame everyone involved here. from her comments (not in the summary) it seems she ascribed to the sovereign citizen movement. which is utterly stupid. but then the cops also fired first, to no effect, prompting her to return fire, and then the cops fatally shoot her. i don't think they were unjustified necessarily, but i will fault them for creating the grounds for justification by firing first.
kinda like instigating a fight, and then killing the person "in self-defense"....ala a certain Florida resident named Zimmerman.
Again, what about her responsibility in all this? She got a traffic citation, didn't pay it or show up for court, a bench warrant was issued, and in the pursuit of a more serious warrant against her boyfriend who lived at the same address, tried to do their job and arrest her. They didn't go there to kill her, they weren't even there for her in the first place, but since she was there and had a valid warrant, they just were trying to do their job. It's no excuse to pull a shotgun and threaten to kill people.
A person in the street brandishing a knife at a distance is nowhere near the threat that a loaded gun is in the same hands.
21 feet.
I believe that is the number. At 21 feet, a person with a knife who you are holding a gun on can charge and stab you before you can shoot them.
Quibbles about the exact number of feet aside (it's not off by more than a couple of feet) that is just the fact. It may seem odd, but it's true.
I have never heard that metric, but I believe you. I did also suggest that tasing him would have been the ideal solution. Cops used to tase the shit out of anyone that gave them queer looks, I am not sure what happened to the practice. I am pretty sure a taser would have dropped him on his face.
Still, even with a firearm vs a knife within even 10 feet, you have infinitely better odds of being able to deflect a guy with a knife than a 450fps bullet. You might get cut. They could have handled the situation much differently in the knife case. With a shotgun pointed in your face, the only distance that matters (within reason) is trigger pull.
You just offered me $20 to go punch a cop in the face.... If you fail to see that it is illegal to hire people to commit crimes for you then you are in the shithouse now.
Bring it. I'll do it again. I, Eric Andersen, will pay you $20 to go punch a cop in the face. Hurry up and call the thought police!!
Because she had mental issues? Because she thought that if they served a warrant against her, she'd lose her children. I don't know, and it doesn't matter. Nobody was in danger until the police came. The police killed someone, rather than backing off. The "crime" was a traffic stop. No spin. Yet no reason for the cops to rush in. White people get hours, and teargas. Black people get bullets.
If it was just a traffic citation, she should have either paid the fine or submitted to arrest. What did she think was going to happen about losing her children when she pulled out a shotgun on a cop? Nobody was in danger until she resisted arrest, pulled a weapon and threatened to kill the police. The police were doing their job. It sucks she died, especially for her kid(s).
Keep in mind when this country was founded, armed police did not exist (those were called soldiers, and if they enforce law, that would be called martial law).
Ah yes, the good old days...Back when blacks were property, women couldn't vote or own land, there was no such thing as religious tolerance, and we burned witches at the stake./sarcasm
If you ever bothered to take a low-level US history course you would also know that state militias and federal troops routinely enforced the law all the way up to the 20th century.
Because her life mattered. She was obviously mentally ill or suicidal.
The Facebook users egging her on were either murderers or accomplices, depending on her mental situation at the time.
Either way, It is important that this behavior is deterred: the FB users are a danger to society, and our justice system needs to make sure they do not get away with their actions which directly contributed to the chain of events causing the woman's death.
I am not sure why you think I am against police brutality. I am, and I do think it's an issue in this country. There are plenty of stories to pick from, but this is simply not a good example of it.
I agree that just because someone has a knife doesn't mean they're a threat, just as someone having a gun isn't necessarily a threat just because of the gun. Someone on their feet behaving in a threatening manner with a knife is most certainly a lethal threat, though.
I am not sure where I specified that knives couldn't be lethal? So can just about everything else on the planet. Rocks, sticks, a piece of rope, etc.
A person in the street brandishing a knife at a distance is nowhere near the threat that a loaded gun is in the same hands. The cops knew this guy had a knife when they rolled up. They had plenty of distance from him. There were no civilians being threatened or even present. He did not attack the cops, but did refuse to put the knife down and was acting erratic. Who was he presenting a lethal threat to? Even if he threw the knife, the chance of killing someone with it are pretty fucking poor. If there's ever a good time to use a taser, that was probably it. A loaded 12 gauge, pointed at someone with a direct lethal threat (i.e. "if you don't leave i will kill you") to shoot is a completely different story.
If someone is literally attacking you with a knife, fine shoot em. If a perp is brandishing a knife and being uncooperative while not presenting any imminent threat to anyone, then no, a cop shouldn't take their life.
The whole mess with this particular guy ended up being ruled suicide by cop (and this was probably even his intent), but to me it was 100% trigger happy cops that used the excuse of a knife to kill a man.
Ever hear that old saying: don't bring a knife to a gun fight?
Funny how when a cop points a gun at a civilian it's not considered an attack. Why not just wait outside the house for a few days? Nobody had to die.
I see a lot of news stories about unjustified cop shootings, but this is not one of them. If she was unarmed or just had a knife or something less lethal than a shotgun, that'd be entirely different. Perhaps things could have turned out differently, but if I was looking down the barrel of a shotgun wielded by someone just said they were going to kill me, I think that's a pretty justifiable reason to shoot someone. I don't imagine anyone likes getting served arrest warrants, but she could have easily suffered the indignity and lived. I can't imagine the cops showed up at her house with guns drawn. She is the one that escalated it by pulling out a shotgun.
About 12 years ago when I was working in a bad area of Seattle (construction), we rolled up on our job site right onto a dead body in the road. Police hadn't even had time to cordon off the streets, it had literally just happened. It was a crazy homeless guy with a knife, who called in the report to the police on himself. He had a knife, and the multiple officers who responded told him to drop it, and when he didn't they shot him dead in the street. That's an unjustified shooting. The guy had a knife, he was no imminent threat to anyone, but the cops used the fact that he had a weapon to justify killing him. That's fucked up. That's a situation where cops could, and should have handled things way differently with non-lethal force as needed.
This lady...I can't defend her actions. She made a series of very bad decisions, and she paid for it. It's too bad, but it is what it is, and I can't fault the cops for shooting her.
The real debate here is to what extent LE should be able to shut down your communications in the event of a "situation", and I can see valid points on both sides.
All these folks suggesting that people who incited or egged her on via Facebook are guilty of murder or any other crime are ridiculous.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Crimea, Israel/Palestine, the Mexican-American War, etc. Realpolitik. If you want to decry violence, and set up a truly moral and free state...good luck. Eventually someone else is gonna come along and take/ruin your shit. Call it immoral or not "true freedom" all you like. It's reality.
More or less free is not exactly free...
"Google demands that you use/prominently feature some of their services. Again, you may free use core Android OS sans Google Play and associated services. Tell me again about the coercion."
I think you are incorrect here and that is the crux of the problem. Device manufacturers that want to sell even ONE device that includes Google Play et al are seemingly forbidden from offering other devices that compete with those services.
"Notably, it seems that the AFA is a company-wide document, binding a manufacturer for all of its present
and even future devices. Thus, AFA obligations apply to the entire operations of the companies that sign."
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You're a faggot, and she definitely was crying for the sake of crying. If internet privacy is such a petty concern in the face of more important worries, then shut the fuck up and go work on those issues instead of whining about it.
Everything she is crying about (robots, H1Bs, healthcare, wars, kids college costs, political blah blah blah) is unimportant to me. Internet privacy is important to me, and that's the topic here.
whatever....apply a completely non-related XKCD cartoon to your personal deficiencies and call it a day. i'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
Sounds like you've got a lot of worries. I'll shed a tear for you.
I think it depends on your choices and priorities. How much per year does the average person spend on smartphones, internet, electricity, gasoline, auto insurance, car payments, etc. etc.? The only things we truly need in life is food, shelter and medical attention if we are sick...Where you choose to live or go to school plays a big part in the cost.
Personally, I chose to join the military, I'm essentially retired at 39, and the government pays me a little over $2000/month to go to school full-time (GI Bill) and another $5900/yr (Pell Grant). I have to pay for books and tuition, but if you shop around you can determine your own balance of cost and quality. Life choices.
School doesn't have to cost more than $10k a year. Pell Grant alone is enough to not only pay for an associates degree at a local community college, it will most like net you some actual profit. I understand that an Masters or PhD is a different beast altogether, but my point is that you don't necessarily need a ton of money to go to college (scholarships and other grants are plentiful as well).
And my original point was that employers requiring a college degree that doesn't relate to the job activity itself, does not necessarily make it an unreasonable standard for employment. Anyone can be trained in a specific job or skill (albeit with varying degrees of effort). Things like a positive attitude and a genuine desire to seek self-improvement can't really be instilled in people. It has to come from within, and I believe pursuit of higher education is a very strong indicator of those traits. I think that requiring a college degree for a job is no more unreasonable than requiring that a person has a clean criminal/credit record or quality references from past employers etc.
I find it disheartening that so many people see education as a means to an end (to make more money), rather than an end in itself. I think we all spend plenty of money of much more frivolous things than education. Everything in life has cost/benefit concerns.
Wish I had some mod points. I really hate that college degrees in the US are often viewed solely some kind of career prep/vocational training. Higher education does have to be geared towards some specific job; it can be an end in itself, and it has its own intrinsic value.
amen. worst city i have ever lived and worked in by far.
what is this mysterious energy source that all us contrarians are ignorant of? storing is great, but you gotta get the energy from somewhere.
there simply is no other source beyond fossil fuels to provide the amount of energy we consume, with the exception of nuclear. i would love to see investment in nuclear power, but i don't have any illusions that it would not require heavy subsidies from the government to become a dominant source of electricity.
i guess if you are willing to take all those CO2 tax dollars and invest in nuke power, i could get on board. it's probably ain't gonna happen any time soon though.
if there was an economically viable answer, we'd be using it. wind and solar is a joke at any sort of scale, and nuclear comes with its own baggage. then you have the battery manufacturing/disposal to consider as well. it's also worth noting that chevy takes a significant loss on every volt they sell (the OP's vehicle).
So we need someone like Trump to convince people that electric vehicles work? Pretty sad when you think about it considering I've driven a Volt for 3 years and it's been a great car. Ironic isn't it. What's next, Trump says global warming is real and suddenly everyone who's a climate denier changes?
I have never needed convincing that electric vehicles work. I just don't think they are a viable alternative to fossil fuels. Especially considering most of the electricity to power electric vehicles comes from.....FOSSIL FUELS!
But any time you stop using a hard drive you should clean it. I have probably 6 hard drives on a shelf in my house because I've replaced them with larger or faster drives. Each one has had the free space randomized twice and then set to all zeros afterward. Bank info, taxes, official (unclassified) work files, all of those have been on them in some variety at some points, and if they are ever disposed, I don't want any of that to be easily recoverable. I have never used it to destroy evidence when it was requested by investigators, as I am not a wealthy and powerful person, I would end up incriminating myself by doing so.
This was my thought as well. I will say up front that I don't like Hillary and I think she's unquestionably guilty of mishandling classified information, but I think it's entirely within the realm of reason that her server was wiped as a matter of standard procedure vs something more nefarious. I wouldn't put it past her to have it wiped to prevent anything she doesn't want us to know, but I would hope that anyone involved in government IT wipes drive as a matter of SOP.
I blame the media hysteria that has mischaracterized the nature of recent police shootings. There is a good chance she was afraid that she would be shot anyway and saw the shotgun as a means of postponing the inevitable
I don't even care anymore. What I thought was interesting about the article was the govt shutting down her Facebook, especially the implications it might have in other countries. Not only that, but I am curious why LE did not try to negotiate with her (and even others that were allegedly influencing her) thru Facebook rather than shut her off. It was a 5 hr standoff, why not try it at least? Maybe this pussy millenial is more influenced thru social media than direct interaction.
so are we just going to ignore that the cops fired first?
Not at all. Nor should we ignore that she pulled a loaded shotgun, pointed at them and verbally threatened to kill them first.
i do blame everyone involved here.
from her comments (not in the summary) it seems she ascribed to the sovereign citizen movement. which is utterly stupid.
but then the cops also fired first, to no effect, prompting her to return fire, and then the cops fatally shoot her.
i don't think they were unjustified necessarily, but i will fault them for creating the grounds for justification by firing first.
kinda like instigating a fight, and then killing the person "in self-defense"....ala a certain Florida resident named Zimmerman.
Again, what about her responsibility in all this? She got a traffic citation, didn't pay it or show up for court, a bench warrant was issued, and in the pursuit of a more serious warrant against her boyfriend who lived at the same address, tried to do their job and arrest her. They didn't go there to kill her, they weren't even there for her in the first place, but since she was there and had a valid warrant, they just were trying to do their job. It's no excuse to pull a shotgun and threaten to kill people.
A person in the street brandishing a knife at a distance is nowhere near the threat that a loaded gun is in the same hands.
21 feet.
I believe that is the number. At 21 feet, a person with a knife who you are holding a gun on can charge and stab you before you can shoot them.
Quibbles about the exact number of feet aside (it's not off by more than a couple of feet) that is just the fact. It may seem odd, but it's true.
I have never heard that metric, but I believe you. I did also suggest that tasing him would have been the ideal solution. Cops used to tase the shit out of anyone that gave them queer looks, I am not sure what happened to the practice. I am pretty sure a taser would have dropped him on his face.
Still, even with a firearm vs a knife within even 10 feet, you have infinitely better odds of being able to deflect a guy with a knife than a 450fps bullet. You might get cut. They could have handled the situation much differently in the knife case. With a shotgun pointed in your face, the only distance that matters (within reason) is trigger pull.
You just offered me $20 to go punch a cop in the face.... If you fail to see that it is illegal to hire people to commit crimes for you then you are in the shithouse now.
Bring it. I'll do it again. I, Eric Andersen, will pay you $20 to go punch a cop in the face. Hurry up and call the thought police!!
Because she had mental issues? Because she thought that if they served a warrant against her, she'd lose her children. I don't know, and it doesn't matter. Nobody was in danger until the police came. The police killed someone, rather than backing off. The "crime" was a traffic stop. No spin. Yet no reason for the cops to rush in. White people get hours, and teargas. Black people get bullets.
If it was just a traffic citation, she should have either paid the fine or submitted to arrest. What did she think was going to happen about losing her children when she pulled out a shotgun on a cop? Nobody was in danger until she resisted arrest, pulled a weapon and threatened to kill the police. The police were doing their job. It sucks she died, especially for her kid(s).
She was not a threat to anybody but the cops
And you don't think they deserve the right to protect their lives?
Silly, only black lives matter...
Keep in mind when this country was founded, armed police did not exist (those were called soldiers, and if they enforce law, that would be called martial law).
Ah yes, the good old days...Back when blacks were property, women couldn't vote or own land, there was no such thing as religious tolerance, and we burned witches at the stake. /sarcasm
If you ever bothered to take a low-level US history course you would also know that state militias and federal troops routinely enforced the law all the way up to the 20th century.
Because her life mattered. She was obviously mentally ill or suicidal.
The Facebook users egging her on were either murderers or accomplices, depending on her mental situation at the time.
Either way, It is important that this behavior is deterred: the FB users are a danger to society, and our justice system needs to make sure they do not get away with their actions which directly contributed to the chain of events causing the woman's death.
Ok, you got me. Good troll
Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting you and you're a brainless homophobe?
nope, just don't like faggots. i use the term as a general pejorative.
I am not sure why you think I am against police brutality. I am, and I do think it's an issue in this country. There are plenty of stories to pick from, but this is simply not a good example of it.
I'm not sure why you think a knife isn't a lethal threat.
Knife attack training video
I agree that just because someone has a knife doesn't mean they're a threat, just as someone having a gun isn't necessarily a threat just because of the gun. Someone on their feet behaving in a threatening manner with a knife is most certainly a lethal threat, though.
I am not sure where I specified that knives couldn't be lethal? So can just about everything else on the planet. Rocks, sticks, a piece of rope, etc.
A person in the street brandishing a knife at a distance is nowhere near the threat that a loaded gun is in the same hands. The cops knew this guy had a knife when they rolled up. They had plenty of distance from him. There were no civilians being threatened or even present. He did not attack the cops, but did refuse to put the knife down and was acting erratic. Who was he presenting a lethal threat to? Even if he threw the knife, the chance of killing someone with it are pretty fucking poor. If there's ever a good time to use a taser, that was probably it. A loaded 12 gauge, pointed at someone with a direct lethal threat (i.e. "if you don't leave i will kill you") to shoot is a completely different story.
If someone is literally attacking you with a knife, fine shoot em. If a perp is brandishing a knife and being uncooperative while not presenting any imminent threat to anyone, then no, a cop shouldn't take their life.
The whole mess with this particular guy ended up being ruled suicide by cop (and this was probably even his intent), but to me it was 100% trigger happy cops that used the excuse of a knife to kill a man.
Ever hear that old saying: don't bring a knife to a gun fight?
Funny how when a cop points a gun at a civilian it's not considered an attack.
Why not just wait outside the house for a few days? Nobody had to die.
I see a lot of news stories about unjustified cop shootings, but this is not one of them. If she was unarmed or just had a knife or something less lethal than a shotgun, that'd be entirely different. Perhaps things could have turned out differently, but if I was looking down the barrel of a shotgun wielded by someone just said they were going to kill me, I think that's a pretty justifiable reason to shoot someone. I don't imagine anyone likes getting served arrest warrants, but she could have easily suffered the indignity and lived. I can't imagine the cops showed up at her house with guns drawn. She is the one that escalated it by pulling out a shotgun.
About 12 years ago when I was working in a bad area of Seattle (construction), we rolled up on our job site right onto a dead body in the road. Police hadn't even had time to cordon off the streets, it had literally just happened. It was a crazy homeless guy with a knife, who called in the report to the police on himself. He had a knife, and the multiple officers who responded told him to drop it, and when he didn't they shot him dead in the street. That's an unjustified shooting. The guy had a knife, he was no imminent threat to anyone, but the cops used the fact that he had a weapon to justify killing him. That's fucked up. That's a situation where cops could, and should have handled things way differently with non-lethal force as needed.
This lady...I can't defend her actions. She made a series of very bad decisions, and she paid for it. It's too bad, but it is what it is, and I can't fault the cops for shooting her.
The real debate here is to what extent LE should be able to shut down your communications in the event of a "situation", and I can see valid points on both sides.
All these folks suggesting that people who incited or egged her on via Facebook are guilty of murder or any other crime are ridiculous.
oh, looks like we have another keyboard commando/constitutional legal expert here.
looks like 2 faggot anonymous cowards to me