What do you think the word 'device' means? It's the word that turned up not long after the word 'app' in the summary. You'll find it hidden in the title, too. Number 3, without a doubt.
Yes - You said you thought I meant ultra-sonic and had no idea where microwaves came in until I quoted the summary. Your failure started before I posted. Frankly, I doubt you even knew that a hardware component was part of this discussion when you first posted.
You thought the devices were identical and didn't even know that radio waves were involved. Yes, you have certainly dumbed it down enough to make things clear.
Ah, I'm glad I asked, I thought you were going down a different path.:)
I am reminded of something someone said to me once: if video games had no affect on people, then the military wouldn't use video games for training.
That person hasn't thought too much about it. Video games don't teach you how to aim a gun. Or how to operate it safely. Or how to maintain it. Or how to navigate with its weight bearing down on you. What it does teach you is how to rapidly identify targets. While useful, there is a reason the police aren't being overwhelmed by teenage bad-asses that could stand in for soldiers. It's not even a factor of realism, it's the interface.
I'll put it to you this way: Imagine two people standing on a skateboard for the first time. Both are physically and mentally identical, but one has mastered Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. Do you imagine either of them being significantly better than the other at real-world skateboarding?
That said I do agree with you that the evolving nature of games means we should keep studying its impact. Although I personally don't feel we'll find anything particularly worrying, the reasoning that we should keep an eye on it is sound.
That is certainly possible. It's also possible that the existence of those apps would confuse people about how new hardware would make the product work a lot better.
With respect different hardware has been producing the same outcome for years - and you are the one that jumped on my post ignoring that because of SHINY NEW TECH or something.
Heh. SHINY NEW TECH!! Or, another way to put it: A new tech that offers different advantages. Because... you know... a tech isn't done just because it succeeded in a goal years ago. Like how you have an LCD instead of a CRT now.
Movement is what matters and there are many ways to find out when it happens.
Or, another way to put it: The N900 clearly wasn't the tech to end all tech when tracking sleeping patterns.
You're being disproportionately defensive, here. It's pretty clear to me now that #3 was correct.
Please ask it again in a sensible way instead of weird shit about microwaves (did you really mean an ultrasonic distance measuring device instead)...
No, I meant microwaves... because I read the summary:
This device would use microwave sensors to monitor important sleep data throughout the night, to optimize users' slumber time and encourage a healthier rest cycle.
So... oops, yeah, I did have a direct reason to mention microwaves. The system uses radio waves to determine the sleeper's position. That made your remark a little bit weird. It made for 3 possibilities:
1. The N900 has that hardware, which I had never heard of and it sounded cool! Between wifi and the cellular antennae it's a wonder we don't have any sort of imaging with these devices.
2. Somehow accelerometers are as good as the radio-wave approach. (For the purposes of education we'll skip the complete absurdity of strapping a smart-phone on someone to take these measurements.) Maybe those sensors are a lot better than I gave them credit for, or maybe the microwave sensors are disappointing in what they can deduce...? Either way the concepts are interesting to me, especially since I dabble with Arduino, and appreciate the education.
3. You didn't read the summary, you just saw "NINTENDO SLEEPING APP" and ran for the reply button.
How about you say what you mean and then it will be less of a secret thus making communication possible. Deal?
Speaking of deals, I'd appreciate if you'd actually read my posts and actually answer the question I asked. We could have had a very interesting discussion by now.
I have read about people neglecting their kids to play farmville, I have even done a few nasty binges where I would swear to "stop by midnight" only to look outside and see that it was dawn.
The big kerfuffle in the 90's wasn't that games were addictive, it was that they were violent and that we were going to turn into desensitized savages who want to dismember people. Basically this article is about kids that grew up on Mortal Kombat.
The problem I have with that philosophy is that virtually anything will break when taken to unrealistic extremes. If you feed an unrealistic extreme, you'll get one back.
Abuse happens when you go way out of your way to test their boundaries. Think about that a bit the next time you complain about things like drone registration.
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Jiga, not Giga!
What do you think the word 'device' means? It's the word that turned up not long after the word 'app' in the summary. You'll find it hidden in the title, too. Number 3, without a doubt.
Yes - You said you thought I meant ultra-sonic and had no idea where microwaves came in until I quoted the summary. Your failure started before I posted. Frankly, I doubt you even knew that a hardware component was part of this discussion when you first posted.
You thought the devices were identical and didn't even know that radio waves were involved. Yes, you have certainly dumbed it down enough to make things clear.
Ah, I'm glad I asked, I thought you were going down a different path. :)
I am reminded of something someone said to me once: if video games had no affect on people, then the military wouldn't use video games for training.
That person hasn't thought too much about it. Video games don't teach you how to aim a gun. Or how to operate it safely. Or how to maintain it. Or how to navigate with its weight bearing down on you. What it does teach you is how to rapidly identify targets. While useful, there is a reason the police aren't being overwhelmed by teenage bad-asses that could stand in for soldiers. It's not even a factor of realism, it's the interface.
I'll put it to you this way: Imagine two people standing on a skateboard for the first time. Both are physically and mentally identical, but one has mastered Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. Do you imagine either of them being significantly better than the other at real-world skateboarding?
That said I do agree with you that the evolving nature of games means we should keep studying its impact. Although I personally don't feel we'll find anything particularly worrying, the reasoning that we should keep an eye on it is sound.
Not actually shilling. Sorry.
Okay. I agree. So where are you going with that?
That's a bit of weird logic. Not sure why it would benefit you to remain confused about advances in technology. Bliss maybe?
That is certainly possible. It's also possible that the existence of those apps would confuse people about how new hardware would make the product work a lot better.
With respect different hardware has been producing the same outcome for years - and you are the one that jumped on my post ignoring that because of SHINY NEW TECH or something.
Heh. SHINY NEW TECH!! Or, another way to put it: A new tech that offers different advantages. Because... you know... a tech isn't done just because it succeeded in a goal years ago. Like how you have an LCD instead of a CRT now.
Movement is what matters and there are many ways to find out when it happens.
Or, another way to put it: The N900 clearly wasn't the tech to end all tech when tracking sleeping patterns.
You're being disproportionately defensive, here. It's pretty clear to me now that #3 was correct.
Please ask it again in a sensible way instead of weird shit about microwaves (did you really mean an ultrasonic distance measuring device instead)...
No, I meant microwaves... because I read the summary:
This device would use microwave sensors to monitor important sleep data throughout the night, to optimize users' slumber time and encourage a healthier rest cycle.
So... oops, yeah, I did have a direct reason to mention microwaves. The system uses radio waves to determine the sleeper's position. That made your remark a little bit weird. It made for 3 possibilities:
1. The N900 has that hardware, which I had never heard of and it sounded cool! Between wifi and the cellular antennae it's a wonder we don't have any sort of imaging with these devices.
2. Somehow accelerometers are as good as the radio-wave approach. (For the purposes of education we'll skip the complete absurdity of strapping a smart-phone on someone to take these measurements.) Maybe those sensors are a lot better than I gave them credit for, or maybe the microwave sensors are disappointing in what they can deduce...? Either way the concepts are interesting to me, especially since I dabble with Arduino, and appreciate the education.
3. You didn't read the summary, you just saw "NINTENDO SLEEPING APP" and ran for the reply button.
How about you say what you mean and then it will be less of a secret thus making communication possible. Deal?
Speaking of deals, I'd appreciate if you'd actually read my posts and actually answer the question I asked. We could have had a very interesting discussion by now.
Basically I just wanted an answer to my original question.
I have read about people neglecting their kids to play farmville, I have even done a few nasty binges where I would swear to "stop by midnight" only to look outside and see that it was dawn.
The big kerfuffle in the 90's wasn't that games were addictive, it was that they were violent and that we were going to turn into desensitized savages who want to dismember people. Basically this article is about kids that grew up on Mortal Kombat.
I mean you seriously think this is the same thing?
... Seriously?
I'm not sure I can see how.
Seriously guys, there was a sleep tracking application for the Nokia N900 not long after release.
Tell us about the microwave sensors the N900 uses to track your sleep.
Its hard to blame someone for 'abuse', when you use terms that dont have limits carefully stated.
It is when you send ridiculously large not-photos to a site for storing photos.
The problem I have with that philosophy is that virtually anything will break when taken to unrealistic extremes. If you feed an unrealistic extreme, you'll get one back.
Abuse happens when you go way out of your way to test their boundaries. Think about that a bit the next time you complain about things like drone registration.
Touch, not push.
Heh. Is the third word 'Microsoft'...?
They've already looked forward than you initially assumed, it's silly that you're still assuming they stopped there.
It produced more power than they predicted. Yes, success, now they have an idea of what the actual costs would be.
Oh, and testing costs a lot more than production. But you're smart, you know this already, right?
According to the armchair critics on this site that project was going to fail, instead the testing proved better than expected. Testing?