12 year olds are not mature adults. they do not reason the same as we do. I know its been a long time since some of us were 12, some more than others; but accurately predicting the consequences of ones actions is not something they do very well. I have a 10yr old daughter and I am constantly amazed and some of the things she does as if she has no foresight at all.. then I realize; she doesn't. This situation and many like it are evolving because we are already trying to force adult situations and adult responsibilities on non-adults. 25yrs ago kids would solve this on the playground and it would get chalked up to 'kids being kids' and 'establishing a pecking order'. Now there is suspension and explusion for something humans have been doing for over 10k years. In this vacuum an even more sadistic and tormenting behavior has evolved in its place.
agreed, people tend to assign adult thinking processes to a child... we arent fully cognitive until we reach 25 and even then some still arent. I agree completely with seeking an escape from what may have felt like total despair. I only wish she had enrolled in some martial arts classes and kicked the shit out of those picking on her... worse case scenario she gets labeled 'violent' for a few years until she 'outgrows' it. In the meantime people will back the hell off.
I have to agree... to attempt to suppress bullying though policy does not resolve the issues and it doesn't prepare someone for more subtle bullying people can face when they become an adult. I think the biggest problem is they cracked down on fighting so severely its allowed bullying to grow out of control. Previously the check-and-balance to bullying was that you might get the shit beat out of you when you push someone too far. That teaches the victim to stand up for himself, it teachers the aggressor that you cant just go around and mistreat people and expect zero consequences. So now a child that bullied people their whole life pushes someone so far that they snap so severely that they shoot the bully or worse.. thats more or less columbine in a nutshell.
much less immigration (some at force) in these countries. However even with the amount you do have, this 'diversity' is starting to catch up. Look whats happening with the rioting from the radical muslim groups in france and norway. Murdering a cartoonist, not for sleeping with their wife, but for drawing... wait for it.. a cartoon.
EDUCATION or lack thereof is one of the largest precursors to violent crime. We have an over-abundance of people who fucked off in school and have no future. Their parents didnt require the school system be anything more than free daycare. Given the climate of all the violent crimes in the USA, a startlingly high percentage of them are committed by those you wonder have enough brain cells to even breath every day.
probably about as often as abortion is used to terminate pregnancy to spare the life of the mother or because the mother was a victim of rape and/or incest when compared to it being used as a lazy person's birth control.
There are those that make a case for banning every form and reason for abortion as well. Ironically these aren't the same groups despite being nearly identical in cause and effect analysis. Some of the most anti-gun people will insist that banning guns will eliminate violent crimes entirely yet argue that if you ban all abortion people will still find unsafer venues to have them. Yet the same argument applies that 'if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them' holds true. I have always wondered how badly personal bias gets in the way of logic and reasoning.
funny story about that. When I met my now-wife she had had a previous relationship with a member of her church. They were both volunteer youth group chaperones and he was a deacon of the church. Its the sort of thing every church going person pushes you to engage in, so she did. turns out he had a terrible habbit of buying whores with his free money. When she found out she dumped him like yesterdays news because. well, who wants to risk catching aids to say the least. His issues put her life at risk, directly. She took from that a lesson that everyone has issues, life is about finding someone with issues you're willing to live with and not the ones you are not. So despite that she is fairly religeous (not a bible thumper) and I am a Deist through and through, we've been married 13yrs and have 2 kids without much to do for problems. thats not saying we dont argue from time to time, but its always resolved and usually over stupid shit.
I agree. I met my wife online on an IRC channel back in 1996. She and other room mates were trying to find out more about a friend of mine because one of their group was considering going on a date with him. They were basically trying to find out if he was a creep or safe to meet. When they found out I met them they spent the next 5 hrs asking me every question under the sun. I talked to my future wife a few times but lost track when she graduated college. Then the summer of 1999 she got a new laptop and was messing around and stumbled back into IRC and I happened to be online. We arranged a date a couple days later and got married in may of 2000. Thirteen years later we are still married and have two kids 7 yrs separated in age. When I met my eventual wife on our first date she mentioned some insight she learned in her experience with dating. Everyone has issue and problems. You arent looking for someone problem-free. You're looking for someone with issues you are willing to live with. Pretty insightful actually.
we had armed cops in my high schools back in the 80s and we didnt think twice about it. They spent half their time busting kids dealing drugs at the school. Having armed cops at the school wont have the sort of impact you think it will. I would rather see an armed cop at the school as his post than seing the armed cop at every goddamn movie theater, not because of a shooting, but because we have to protect the greedy ass MPAA from the highly dangerous video camera in the audience. We give more of a shit about pirating movies that having cops back at the schools like they were for decades before.
so why do you need more gun laws then? you already declared it a gun-free zone.. surely the criminals will stop once they read the sign posted on the door. My point is laws dont do shit to stop someone from committing a crime. They only serve to outline the punishment for breaking that law. When I was a kid we had armed security guards in the high schools and there were NEVER school shootings. IT wasn't until the dumb-ass liberal politicians thought that making schools a gun-free zone that this shit started happening. Ever heard the phrase 'like shooting fish in a barrel'? If i wanted to kill the most people with the least chance that someone could stop me I sure as hell would start down the list of places were law abiding people cant defend themselves.
no they are basically defined as a semi-automatic weapon that looks menacing to the hatchet-wound that wrote the legislation. Exactly how does a shroud around the barrel do ANYTHING to its functionality and suddenly make it an assault weapon? Or a pistol grip etc. Aside from magazine capacity its simply an issue of cosmetic appearance. Maybe we should judge her ability to function in society purely on her appearance too. The ugly ass bitch would be locked in her house if we held her ability to exist by the same standard.
and last i checked between the 1986 ban and the 1936 NFA, automatic weapons, SBRs, and SBSs are pretty much a non-issue. Not surprising that it didnt do anything to reduce the murder rate much like banning claw hammers wont do much to stop the roofing business. A new hammer will take its place. Ban all hammers and they will still find a way to drive a nail.
agreed.. how the hell does anyone expect protection from their third amendment without a second amendment? Its me shooting the soldier or cop in his damn sleep if he think he can make board in my house that keeps his ass outside.. and nothing more. Does anyone except the coolaid sipping liberals really believe that the government is benevolent and will always remain that way even unchecked?
werent these the same assholes that have wasted BILLIONS so far on false promises of bomb sniffing baggage scanners and backscatter devices that have been proven trivial to circumvent?
semi automatics do jam, and fully automatics do it more frequently. There are drills we have to practice to quickly clear these misfeeds. I carry a glock as my concealed carry but its a.357 revolver that is most likely my first go-to weapon in my quick action safe. It is likely the most reliable weapon I have in my arsenal and will be the first one I grab. If my house is being overrun by some urban flash mob then I'll probably grab something else, but for a single perp home invader, I couldnt ask for a more reliable tool.
and yet just last week a boy was saved from being mauled by THREE unleashed pit bull dogs. Since its a crime to own any handgun in DC, the hero is being prosecuted for owning a unlicensed handgun (as if there were a licensing option for him). No good deed goes unpunished is the montra of just about every liberally controlled city. They would rather see the child mauled to death but retain total control over their citizens than yeild a little bit of control to save a life.
i'd go one step further, having seen the fucktards in congress pass laws like obamacare only to try and exempt themselves. Make CONGRESS and the entire legislative/executive branches live with it for THREE YEARS as a trial run before any other asshole has to be forced to live with their shitty insight. Remember when Concord made all the engineers be passengers on the initial flight after grounding the entire fleet to fix a rash of mechanical failures? Congress should be forced to live by that same concept.
if they are closer than 7 feet you need to be in hand-to-hand combat. If you want to use a side-arm you need to be further away. I can not only shoot you with your own weapon if you were that close, but there is a really good chance i could do it with your finger still on the trigger holding it. There are enough accupoints that I could render your arm docile for a couple seconds. It only takes one or two to turn the table in a fight.
Simply using a better holster that requires more than a few seconds to remove would work better and be more reliable. I use a serpa blackhawk holster that has the finger release. It works perfectly for the wearer to depress while unholstering his weapon and even serves to put your finger in the right position along the slide of the gun. Its not as easy for someone trying to grab it and depress the button at the same time to do that. They would have to spend a lot of time practicing that exact situation to be able to do it before the cop could respond with a hand-to-hand counter. If they were that dedicated they could just as easily practice a hand-to-hand move to shoot you with your weapon while its still in your hand (this is quite possible exploiting the nature of body mechanics and automatic human responses).
considering how often the six AA batteries die in my quick access GunVault.. I would rather not rely on batteries for a gun to work. I have had to come up with a hidden spot for the barrel-key that also opens the spring release on that GunVault simply because the number of times Ive found myself needing go use a key instead of the finger combination.
mine are locked all the time regardless of when someone visits. Not the trigger or those other through-the-mag-well but in a metal safe or locker. I simply would rather them not stolen so I keep them locked away or in the holster when I am wearing it. I keep large ammo cans full of ammo in the bottom of the lockers, making the idea of someone carrying off the whole container quite difficult. If I don't have enough time to travel 20 feet, use the hidden key to unlock it, insert the loaded magazine and chamber the weapon, then I probably need a different strategy in that case anyway. Security is best in layers, never put all your eggs in a single basket, even if that basket is a.40 S&W or.45 ACP. Improve your hand to hand combat skills, learn how to disarm an opponent, have a noisy ass dog that barks at strangers, have an alarm system, invest in a decent lock and definitely put the yard sign out that says your house is monitored by alarm systems and surveillance cameras. Your backup methods should have backups. You do have the home court advantage.
the same argument applies not just to guns, but to every single dangerous tool or piece of machinery. the only reason guns get singled out is because there is, for what ever reason, LESS of a culture of safety with them than other tools. Stupid non gun owning tv directors and movie directors are just as much to blame. The majority of true accidents that arise from guns often occur because they are mishandled... and often in a way EXACTLY as they mimic watching it on tv or in a movie.
if more people would view them as a tool most of the problems would take care of themselves. I doubt we will ever see a complete cure of accidents, just like we will likely never stop seeing fingers chopped off from misuse or use of inferior table saws. And we probably will still read about the children that are way too young to be allowed to ride a 4-wheeler getting killed when they turn over on them. But you are correct, its a tool. A very dangerous tool that shouldnt be feared, but certainly respected for what it is capable of doing. keep the safety on, keep your finger off the trigger, and never point it at something you dont intend to destroy. Its really not much different than the safety circle training you learned in camp as a kid when they trusted you with a hatchet.
you've heard of a zip gun right? they make them in prison.. I'm pretty sure you wont find a way to require even zip guns be made with these biometrics. If someone has access to ammunition, it wont take too much work to come up with a crude but effective close-range working mechanism to fire it.
Slashdot Mirror
12 year olds are not mature adults. they do not reason the same as we do. I know its been a long time since some of us were 12, some more than others; but accurately predicting the consequences of ones actions is not something they do very well. I have a 10yr old daughter and I am constantly amazed and some of the things she does as if she has no foresight at all.. then I realize; she doesn't. This situation and many like it are evolving because we are already trying to force adult situations and adult responsibilities on non-adults. 25yrs ago kids would solve this on the playground and it would get chalked up to 'kids being kids' and 'establishing a pecking order'. Now there is suspension and explusion for something humans have been doing for over 10k years. In this vacuum an even more sadistic and tormenting behavior has evolved in its place.
agreed, people tend to assign adult thinking processes to a child... we arent fully cognitive until we reach 25 and even then some still arent. I agree completely with seeking an escape from what may have felt like total despair. I only wish she had enrolled in some martial arts classes and kicked the shit out of those picking on her... worse case scenario she gets labeled 'violent' for a few years until she 'outgrows' it. In the meantime people will back the hell off.
I have to agree... to attempt to suppress bullying though policy does not resolve the issues and it doesn't prepare someone for more subtle bullying people can face when they become an adult. I think the biggest problem is they cracked down on fighting so severely its allowed bullying to grow out of control. Previously the check-and-balance to bullying was that you might get the shit beat out of you when you push someone too far. That teaches the victim to stand up for himself, it teachers the aggressor that you cant just go around and mistreat people and expect zero consequences. So now a child that bullied people their whole life pushes someone so far that they snap so severely that they shoot the bully or worse.. thats more or less columbine in a nutshell.
much less immigration (some at force) in these countries. However even with the amount you do have, this 'diversity' is starting to catch up. Look whats happening with the rioting from the radical muslim groups in france and norway. Murdering a cartoonist, not for sleeping with their wife, but for drawing... wait for it.. a cartoon.
EDUCATION or lack thereof is one of the largest precursors to violent crime. We have an over-abundance of people who fucked off in school and have no future. Their parents didnt require the school system be anything more than free daycare. Given the climate of all the violent crimes in the USA, a startlingly high percentage of them are committed by those you wonder have enough brain cells to even breath every day.
probably about as often as abortion is used to terminate pregnancy to spare the life of the mother or because the mother was a victim of rape and/or incest when compared to it being used as a lazy person's birth control.
There are those that make a case for banning every form and reason for abortion as well. Ironically these aren't the same groups despite being nearly identical in cause and effect analysis. Some of the most anti-gun people will insist that banning guns will eliminate violent crimes entirely yet argue that if you ban all abortion people will still find unsafer venues to have them. Yet the same argument applies that 'if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them' holds true. I have always wondered how badly personal bias gets in the way of logic and reasoning.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
funny story about that. When I met my now-wife she had had a previous relationship with a member of her church. They were both volunteer youth group chaperones and he was a deacon of the church. Its the sort of thing every church going person pushes you to engage in, so she did. turns out he had a terrible habbit of buying whores with his free money. When she found out she dumped him like yesterdays news because. well, who wants to risk catching aids to say the least. His issues put her life at risk, directly. She took from that a lesson that everyone has issues, life is about finding someone with issues you're willing to live with and not the ones you are not. So despite that she is fairly religeous (not a bible thumper) and I am a Deist through and through, we've been married 13yrs and have 2 kids without much to do for problems. thats not saying we dont argue from time to time, but its always resolved and usually over stupid shit.
I agree. I met my wife online on an IRC channel back in 1996. She and other room mates were trying to find out more about a friend of mine because one of their group was considering going on a date with him. They were basically trying to find out if he was a creep or safe to meet. When they found out I met them they spent the next 5 hrs asking me every question under the sun. I talked to my future wife a few times but lost track when she graduated college. Then the summer of 1999 she got a new laptop and was messing around and stumbled back into IRC and I happened to be online. We arranged a date a couple days later and got married in may of 2000. Thirteen years later we are still married and have two kids 7 yrs separated in age. When I met my eventual wife on our first date she mentioned some insight she learned in her experience with dating. Everyone has issue and problems. You arent looking for someone problem-free. You're looking for someone with issues you are willing to live with. Pretty insightful actually.
we had armed cops in my high schools back in the 80s and we didnt think twice about it. They spent half their time busting kids dealing drugs at the school. Having armed cops at the school wont have the sort of impact you think it will. I would rather see an armed cop at the school as his post than seing the armed cop at every goddamn movie theater, not because of a shooting, but because we have to protect the greedy ass MPAA from the highly dangerous video camera in the audience. We give more of a shit about pirating movies that having cops back at the schools like they were for decades before.
so why do you need more gun laws then? you already declared it a gun-free zone.. surely the criminals will stop once they read the sign posted on the door. My point is laws dont do shit to stop someone from committing a crime. They only serve to outline the punishment for breaking that law. When I was a kid we had armed security guards in the high schools and there were NEVER school shootings. IT wasn't until the dumb-ass liberal politicians thought that making schools a gun-free zone that this shit started happening. Ever heard the phrase 'like shooting fish in a barrel'? If i wanted to kill the most people with the least chance that someone could stop me I sure as hell would start down the list of places were law abiding people cant defend themselves.
no they are basically defined as a semi-automatic weapon that looks menacing to the hatchet-wound that wrote the legislation. Exactly how does a shroud around the barrel do ANYTHING to its functionality and suddenly make it an assault weapon? Or a pistol grip etc. Aside from magazine capacity its simply an issue of cosmetic appearance. Maybe we should judge her ability to function in society purely on her appearance too. The ugly ass bitch would be locked in her house if we held her ability to exist by the same standard.
and last i checked between the 1986 ban and the 1936 NFA, automatic weapons, SBRs, and SBSs are pretty much a non-issue. Not surprising that it didnt do anything to reduce the murder rate much like banning claw hammers wont do much to stop the roofing business. A new hammer will take its place. Ban all hammers and they will still find a way to drive a nail.
agreed.. how the hell does anyone expect protection from their third amendment without a second amendment? Its me shooting the soldier or cop in his damn sleep if he think he can make board in my house that keeps his ass outside.. and nothing more. Does anyone except the coolaid sipping liberals really believe that the government is benevolent and will always remain that way even unchecked?
werent these the same assholes that have wasted BILLIONS so far on false promises of bomb sniffing baggage scanners and backscatter devices that have been proven trivial to circumvent?
semi automatics do jam, and fully automatics do it more frequently. There are drills we have to practice to quickly clear these misfeeds. I carry a glock as my concealed carry but its a .357 revolver that is most likely my first go-to weapon in my quick action safe. It is likely the most reliable weapon I have in my arsenal and will be the first one I grab. If my house is being overrun by some urban flash mob then I'll probably grab something else, but for a single perp home invader, I couldnt ask for a more reliable tool.
and yet just last week a boy was saved from being mauled by THREE unleashed pit bull dogs. Since its a crime to own any handgun in DC, the hero is being prosecuted for owning a unlicensed handgun (as if there were a licensing option for him). No good deed goes unpunished is the montra of just about every liberally controlled city. They would rather see the child mauled to death but retain total control over their citizens than yeild a little bit of control to save a life.
so you're an AK fan eh?
i'd go one step further, having seen the fucktards in congress pass laws like obamacare only to try and exempt themselves. Make CONGRESS and the entire legislative/executive branches live with it for THREE YEARS as a trial run before any other asshole has to be forced to live with their shitty insight. Remember when Concord made all the engineers be passengers on the initial flight after grounding the entire fleet to fix a rash of mechanical failures? Congress should be forced to live by that same concept.
if they are closer than 7 feet you need to be in hand-to-hand combat. If you want to use a side-arm you need to be further away. I can not only shoot you with your own weapon if you were that close, but there is a really good chance i could do it with your finger still on the trigger holding it. There are enough accupoints that I could render your arm docile for a couple seconds. It only takes one or two to turn the table in a fight.
Simply using a better holster that requires more than a few seconds to remove would work better and be more reliable. I use a serpa blackhawk holster that has the finger release. It works perfectly for the wearer to depress while unholstering his weapon and even serves to put your finger in the right position along the slide of the gun. Its not as easy for someone trying to grab it and depress the button at the same time to do that. They would have to spend a lot of time practicing that exact situation to be able to do it before the cop could respond with a hand-to-hand counter. If they were that dedicated they could just as easily practice a hand-to-hand move to shoot you with your weapon while its still in your hand (this is quite possible exploiting the nature of body mechanics and automatic human responses).
considering how often the six AA batteries die in my quick access GunVault .. I would rather not rely on batteries for a gun to work. I have had to come up with a hidden spot for the barrel-key that also opens the spring release on that GunVault simply because the number of times Ive found myself needing go use a key instead of the finger combination.
mine are locked all the time regardless of when someone visits. Not the trigger or those other through-the-mag-well but in a metal safe or locker. I simply would rather them not stolen so I keep them locked away or in the holster when I am wearing it. I keep large ammo cans full of ammo in the bottom of the lockers, making the idea of someone carrying off the whole container quite difficult. If I don't have enough time to travel 20 feet, use the hidden key to unlock it, insert the loaded magazine and chamber the weapon, then I probably need a different strategy in that case anyway. Security is best in layers, never put all your eggs in a single basket, even if that basket is a .40 S&W or .45 ACP. Improve your hand to hand combat skills, learn how to disarm an opponent, have a noisy ass dog that barks at strangers, have an alarm system, invest in a decent lock and definitely put the yard sign out that says your house is monitored by alarm systems and surveillance cameras. Your backup methods should have backups. You do have the home court advantage.
the same argument applies not just to guns, but to every single dangerous tool or piece of machinery. the only reason guns get singled out is because there is, for what ever reason, LESS of a culture of safety with them than other tools. Stupid non gun owning tv directors and movie directors are just as much to blame. The majority of true accidents that arise from guns often occur because they are mishandled ... and often in a way EXACTLY as they mimic watching it on tv or in a movie.
if more people would view them as a tool most of the problems would take care of themselves. I doubt we will ever see a complete cure of accidents, just like we will likely never stop seeing fingers chopped off from misuse or use of inferior table saws. And we probably will still read about the children that are way too young to be allowed to ride a 4-wheeler getting killed when they turn over on them. But you are correct, its a tool. A very dangerous tool that shouldnt be feared, but certainly respected for what it is capable of doing. keep the safety on, keep your finger off the trigger, and never point it at something you dont intend to destroy. Its really not much different than the safety circle training you learned in camp as a kid when they trusted you with a hatchet.
you've heard of a zip gun right? they make them in prison.. I'm pretty sure you wont find a way to require even zip guns be made with these biometrics. If someone has access to ammunition, it wont take too much work to come up with a crude but effective close-range working mechanism to fire it.