It's on the heatsink, and I wipe it off prior to installation.
That stuff, specifically, adheres over time and is a pain if you ever need to remove the cooler for any reason, as when you try to pull the cooler off after unmounting it, it sticks to the CPU.
In the situation I mentioned above, I tried using some force to remove the cooler, and it pulled the CPU out of the socket without unmounting it, breaking some of the pins in the process.
As stated, I really don't want to get into this, but it certainly is NOT required.
Most thermal paste is adhesive. After months of baking onto your CPU, it adheres, and sticks quite well. AMD CPU's do not have anything holding the CPU in the socket except the pins and the heatsink on top (at least they didn't, I'm not certain about current generations).
I've never had a chip fail. I don't see any performance loss, and it generally idles under 30 C (AMD FX-8320).
My previous build was still running perfectly fine when I retired it 4 years ago, and I passed it on to a friend. From what I understand it kept going 2 years while he had it, then he passed it on again. It was an AMD Athlon XP-2500+ originally built in 2006.
Your experiences are not my experiences. I'm quite confident that thermal paste is not necessary, especially as modern day CPU's run so much more efficiently.
I DO NOT overclock, I DO NOT play games. I have zero interest in inching out as much possible performance from my CPUs like some people do.
So how about you just fuck off and go away and leave me alone to my own devices.
At the time of build in question, the most expensive, highest performing AMD CPU was about $400 CAD, where the Intel was $1200 (not sure of the model at the time, I'll have to go back through my receipts to check).
I don't see AMD as inferior. In fact, Intel licenses some tech from AMD.
Cost is the only factor in my opinion. Inching out a couple more CPU cycles for twice as much money is counter productive (again, my opinion). 99% of the market really does not need the performance of a i7-7700K, where an AMD APU from last-gen is probably still overkill.
My 4ish year old AMD FX-8320 does way more than I actually need. I'm upgrading to a Ryzen 1700 (the 65w TDP chip) simply because I want something newer, as in my experience electronics will fail in the next 5 years.
Also, I intend to re-purpose my old workstation for my wife and kids to use. Now that my kids are big enough to start learning computers, they need something that isn't my work computer.
Intel really has no advantage over AMD, and if you're going by benchmarks, you're splitting hairs as real world percieved performance hit it's peak with the general population years ago.
Intel gained their advantage by bribing manufacturers to use their products. Just as Microsoft does. There is no other reason they are in 90% of consumer end products.
I build custom computers for family, friends, and clients of mine. I've almost always gone AMD because it's a better performance:cost ratio, especially in the mid-range arena. It's not just the CPUs price factored in, either. AMD motherboards generally come in at 50-75% the price compared to Intel Motherboards.
The few Intel builds I've done were for performance die hards, spending $4000+ because they believed that Intel was the end-all, be-all, even though the games they play are hitting GPU bottlenecks, and the CPU is sitting there at 50+% idle. Could have saved $500+ to put into a better GPU... but people don't listen when they go by forum posts of evangelists claiming Intel is the best thing since sliced bread, even though their $1200 CPU only bests AMDs $400 CPU by 10%-15% at best.
In all my years of running AMD chips with stock Heatsink/Fan coolers, have I ever run into a heat issue. I even scrape off the thermal compound because it adheres and makes removing the CPU a pain in the ass. I bent pins on an old Athlon back in the day and broke the CPU due to that stuff.
I monitor temps rather closely, and when idle it sits around 28-30ÂC. Under really heavy load it can spike up to about 60-65ÂC, but even that is still within their recommended range.
Now, my system is in the basement of my home and it's generally cooler down there. Ambient room temp is anywhere from 18-21ÂC.
AMD is a cheaper build all around. The low end Motherboards can be had for about $100 and still have most of the features you'll need.
Unless, of course, you're a professional gamer, and need quad-SLI or something crazy, AMD is probably more than good enough. Take the savings on the Mobo+CPU and invest in a better SSD or GPU is probably a better use of your money if you want more percievable performance.
Personally, it's always a cost decision to me, and AMD always comes in cheaper. I'm planning to buy a mid-range ASUS board, and a Ryzen 1700 (the 65w one), because it will still spank the pants off my 4ish year old AMD FX-8320, and comes in at half the power usage.
Unfortunately I will also need to upgrade from DDR3 to DDR4 RAM, and I've got 32GB of it, so there's another $200. But still cheaper than going Intel, as I would also need to buy DDR4.
We have a choice of Shaw or Sasktel for our internet needs in my town. Sasktel is a province owned service provider. Sasktel also offers Telephone, Security Alarm, Mobile (Cell) services in addition to Internet service.
It seems our wonderful, all knowing Premier (/s) is looking to sell off Sasktel and Bell has been snooping around to buy it up.
Having a Provincially owned provider has kept costs down, and forces other providers (Shaw, Bell, Telus, etc) to compete in price.
Currently I have 150Mbps down / 15Mbps up from Shaw, paying $80/mo. It has a 1TB cap, but I generally stay under 500GB per month so it works for me.
My mobile phone is $48/mo with Koodo (owned by Telus) for unlimited Canada-wide voice, text, mms, and 5GB of Data per month.
For my business phone I use VOIP.ms, as phone service from Sasktel or Shaw is $40+/mo, and severely limited in features.
All four of us are planning to spend 10 days in Nevada.
I'm coming with real money to spend on frivilous crap because I can.
Why make it difficult?
I'm white, of British and Scottish descent, with no religious affiliation. I dont really expect too many problems, but the idea that it might makes me reconsider this trip.
In some cases, yes. Here in Canada they are much more few and far between. The vast majority of the Prime Eligible products are sold directly by Amazon.ca.
I would hope Amazon would punish sellers doing anything fraudulent, or not treating their customers well. After all, Amazon is the one advertising the products, and fulfilling the orders. They will receive the backlash if a customer is unhappy.
No, because my local Walmart is a terrible company. Walmart as a whole is a terrible company.
Their profits get siphoned out of the country, and they treat their employee's poorly. A person can not live on two 4 hour shifts a week. They do not offer full time employment.
If I'm not mistaken, those are just Interac eTransfers.
Every Financial Institution in Canada supports them. Some charge a small fee ($1-$2) to send them. Some allow you to send them free. Some give you a certain number of them for free per month. But it's always free to receive.
The difference with this TransferWise thing, is that it works internationally, which you can not do with Interac eTransfers, and that's kinda cool. It certainly looks easier than Paypal, but I havent looked much further than the TransferWise home page.
I live in a smallish town in Saskatchewan, Canada. All of the small shops closed up shortly after Walmart moved in 17ish years ago. I find Amazon to be the lesser of the two evils in this situation. Plus Amazon has a much bigger selection than the local Walmart, and I'm not really willing to drive an hour away to buy stuff in the next town over unless I desperately need something that day.
With that said, I do my best to support the local businesses I can. I buy meat from the local butcher, eggs and other produce from local farmers market, go to the smaller independent grocery store over the big box chain, pet food and supplies from the local pet store, etc.
There is way less fraud on Amazon. Don't get me wrong, it's still there, but much less prevalent compared to eBay.
Personally I pay for Prime and it's well worth it for me. If you stick to Prime eligible products, you don't have to deal with the fraud as you're dealing with Amazon and not a third party.
Though nearly every mainstream distribution has moved to systemd, making it nearly impossible (or atleast infeasible) to run a modern version of many of the popular/mainstream distro's.
While you are correct that systemd runs in userspace, there are certain kernel features required by systemd that I do not believe are available in the old 2.6.x branch.
Running 4.9 on 4 physical machines in my home. And also running 4.9 on over a dozen VMs in a datacenter without systemd.
There are a few distributions that don't push it down your throat. There are even a few others that offer (optional) alternative kernels and init systems.
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It's on the heatsink, and I wipe it off prior to installation.
That stuff, specifically, adheres over time and is a pain if you ever need to remove the cooler for any reason, as when you try to pull the cooler off after unmounting it, it sticks to the CPU.
In the situation I mentioned above, I tried using some force to remove the cooler, and it pulled the CPU out of the socket without unmounting it, breaking some of the pins in the process.
(Un)fortunately(?) Mozilla already essentially haulted development on Thunderbird except for security and compatibility patches.
You're just right chaulked full of assumptions about someone you've never met over something so stupid.
Yes, you've mentioned you're an electrical engineer. I don't care. It doesn't impress me, and you're not going to change my mind.
As stated, I really don't want to get into this, but it certainly is NOT required.
Most thermal paste is adhesive. After months of baking onto your CPU, it adheres, and sticks quite well. AMD CPU's do not have anything holding the CPU in the socket except the pins and the heatsink on top (at least they didn't, I'm not certain about current generations).
I've never had a chip fail. I don't see any performance loss, and it generally idles under 30 C (AMD FX-8320).
My previous build was still running perfectly fine when I retired it 4 years ago, and I passed it on to a friend. From what I understand it kept going 2 years while he had it, then he passed it on again. It was an AMD Athlon XP-2500+ originally built in 2006.
Your experiences are not my experiences. I'm quite confident that thermal paste is not necessary, especially as modern day CPU's run so much more efficiently.
I DO NOT overclock, I DO NOT play games. I have zero interest in inching out as much possible performance from my CPUs like some people do.
So how about you just fuck off and go away and leave me alone to my own devices.
I live in Canada. Our prices are different.
At the time of build in question, the most expensive, highest performing AMD CPU was about $400 CAD, where the Intel was $1200 (not sure of the model at the time, I'll have to go back through my receipts to check).
Yeah I've had this arguement too many times and I'm not being pulled in again.
I don't use any thermal compound. Never have and never had an issue.
My experience has been polar opposite, but my experience has always been in custom builds.
But then again maybe the suppliers you're dealing with inflate the price of AMD products?
I live in Canada and with the suppliers I use, AMD always comes out ahead in cost:performance ratio.
I don't see AMD as inferior. In fact, Intel licenses some tech from AMD.
Cost is the only factor in my opinion. Inching out a couple more CPU cycles for twice as much money is counter productive (again, my opinion). 99% of the market really does not need the performance of a i7-7700K, where an AMD APU from last-gen is probably still overkill.
My 4ish year old AMD FX-8320 does way more than I actually need. I'm upgrading to a Ryzen 1700 (the 65w TDP chip) simply because I want something newer, as in my experience electronics will fail in the next 5 years.
Also, I intend to re-purpose my old workstation for my wife and kids to use. Now that my kids are big enough to start learning computers, they need something that isn't my work computer.
Intel really has no advantage over AMD, and if you're going by benchmarks, you're splitting hairs as real world percieved performance hit it's peak with the general population years ago.
Intel gained their advantage by bribing manufacturers to use their products. Just as Microsoft does. There is no other reason they are in 90% of consumer end products.
I build custom computers for family, friends, and clients of mine. I've almost always gone AMD because it's a better performance:cost ratio, especially in the mid-range arena. It's not just the CPUs price factored in, either. AMD motherboards generally come in at 50-75% the price compared to Intel Motherboards.
The few Intel builds I've done were for performance die hards, spending $4000+ because they believed that Intel was the end-all, be-all, even though the games they play are hitting GPU bottlenecks, and the CPU is sitting there at 50+% idle. Could have saved $500+ to put into a better GPU... but people don't listen when they go by forum posts of evangelists claiming Intel is the best thing since sliced bread, even though their $1200 CPU only bests AMDs $400 CPU by 10%-15% at best.
In all my years of running AMD chips with stock Heatsink/Fan coolers, have I ever run into a heat issue. I even scrape off the thermal compound because it adheres and makes removing the CPU a pain in the ass. I bent pins on an old Athlon back in the day and broke the CPU due to that stuff.
I monitor temps rather closely, and when idle it sits around 28-30ÂC. Under really heavy load it can spike up to about 60-65ÂC, but even that is still within their recommended range.
Now, my system is in the basement of my home and it's generally cooler down there. Ambient room temp is anywhere from 18-21ÂC.
AMD is a cheaper build all around. The low end Motherboards can be had for about $100 and still have most of the features you'll need.
Unless, of course, you're a professional gamer, and need quad-SLI or something crazy, AMD is probably more than good enough. Take the savings on the Mobo+CPU and invest in a better SSD or GPU is probably a better use of your money if you want more percievable performance.
Personally, it's always a cost decision to me, and AMD always comes in cheaper. I'm planning to buy a mid-range ASUS board, and a Ryzen 1700 (the 65w one), because it will still spank the pants off my 4ish year old AMD FX-8320, and comes in at half the power usage.
Unfortunately I will also need to upgrade from DDR3 to DDR4 RAM, and I've got 32GB of it, so there's another $200. But still cheaper than going Intel, as I would also need to buy DDR4.
I live in Sask.
We have a choice of Shaw or Sasktel for our internet needs in my town. Sasktel is a province owned service provider. Sasktel also offers Telephone, Security Alarm, Mobile (Cell) services in addition to Internet service.
It seems our wonderful, all knowing Premier (/s) is looking to sell off Sasktel and Bell has been snooping around to buy it up.
Having a Provincially owned provider has kept costs down, and forces other providers (Shaw, Bell, Telus, etc) to compete in price.
Currently I have 150Mbps down / 15Mbps up from Shaw, paying $80/mo. It has a 1TB cap, but I generally stay under 500GB per month so it works for me.
My mobile phone is $48/mo with Koodo (owned by Telus) for unlimited Canada-wide voice, text, mms, and 5GB of Data per month.
For my business phone I use VOIP.ms, as phone service from Sasktel or Shaw is $40+/mo, and severely limited in features.
Not going to gamble.
There is a specific event we are going to. Nothing really like it here in Canada.
(Stupid touch screen)
All four of us are planning to spend 10 days in Nevada.
I'm coming with real money to spend on frivilous crap because I can.
Why make it difficult?
I'm white, of British and Scottish descent, with no religious affiliation. I dont really expect too many problems, but the idea that it might makes me reconsider this trip.
In some cases, yes. Here in Canada they are much more few and far between. The vast majority of the Prime Eligible products are sold directly by Amazon.ca.
I would hope Amazon would punish sellers doing anything fraudulent, or not treating their customers well. After all, Amazon is the one advertising the products, and fulfilling the orders. They will receive the backlash if a customer is unhappy.
No, because my local Walmart is a terrible company. Walmart as a whole is a terrible company.
Their profits get siphoned out of the country, and they treat their employee's poorly. A person can not live on two 4 hour shifts a week. They do not offer full time employment.
If I'm not mistaken, those are just Interac eTransfers.
Every Financial Institution in Canada supports them. Some charge a small fee ($1-$2) to send them. Some allow you to send them free. Some give you a certain number of them for free per month. But it's always free to receive.
The difference with this TransferWise thing, is that it works internationally, which you can not do with Interac eTransfers, and that's kinda cool. It certainly looks easier than Paypal, but I havent looked much further than the TransferWise home page.
I live in a smallish town in Saskatchewan, Canada. All of the small shops closed up shortly after Walmart moved in 17ish years ago. I find Amazon to be the lesser of the two evils in this situation. Plus Amazon has a much bigger selection than the local Walmart, and I'm not really willing to drive an hour away to buy stuff in the next town over unless I desperately need something that day.
With that said, I do my best to support the local businesses I can. I buy meat from the local butcher, eggs and other produce from local farmers market, go to the smaller independent grocery store over the big box chain, pet food and supplies from the local pet store, etc.
There is way less fraud on Amazon. Don't get me wrong, it's still there, but much less prevalent compared to eBay.
Personally I pay for Prime and it's well worth it for me. If you stick to Prime eligible products, you don't have to deal with the fraud as you're dealing with Amazon and not a third party.
I agree. That's why I use Funtoo. OpenRC is my favourite. It provides all of the UNIXy goodness, easily scriptable, backwards compatible, and fast.
The problem is all of the mainstream distributions have made systemd a requirement.
So some users are opting to stick with older releases to avoid systemd, and that means losing out on new kernel features.
As I mentioned in my other comment, some distributions do not require systemd, and still offer modern kernels.
No that's not what we are saying.
Though nearly every mainstream distribution has moved to systemd, making it nearly impossible (or atleast infeasible) to run a modern version of many of the popular/mainstream distro's.
While you are correct that systemd runs in userspace, there are certain kernel features required by systemd that I do not believe are available in the old 2.6.x branch.
Running 4.9 on 4 physical machines in my home. And also running 4.9 on over a dozen VMs in a datacenter without systemd.
There are a few distributions that don't push it down your throat. There are even a few others that offer (optional) alternative kernels and init systems.
Personally I use funtoo.
Take a look at www.without-systemd.org for more.
uBlock Origin on Firefox and Chromium works for me.
I use uBlock Origin in Firefox and I don't see any ads.