No. Someone saw some files that related to the Linux server and jumped to conclusions. Then, as usual, Linux users started running around flapping their wings and squawking like the silly little parrots they are.
Wow. I find this very interesting since I *DID* actually use Vavle to install some native linux titles through their beta linux program. And not the server stuff either. Full fledged client. But well I must be jumping to conclusions here. I do like flapping those wings of mine like a silly parrot.
I don't hate windows but I do use linux and have told average users to not switch to linux or to switch depending on what was appropriate.
A) Installation IS a pain in the ass for anyone who isn't a geek with a decent amount of experience. Hell its a pain in the ass for those who DO have a decent amount of experience, especially when trying a new distro for the first time that has a wholly different install experience.
That is just a load of crap. Installation of XP and Vista are both a bigger pain the arse then linux is. In fact, I have 2 friends who convert over to linux BECAUSE they could not get XP to install on their computer and use their hardware. And it "just works" under linux. And I've seen far too many people who have actually tried both admit that linux is easier to install and it just work. Almost never have I seen the opposite to be true.
Coming pre-installed from manufacturer is not the same as installing from scratch.
B) Driver support sucks.
Yes. For printers and network cards you can actually use the windows drivers and they work perfectly. For everything else, if it doesn't come out of the box with linux, well that sucks big time. Sound drivers are the biggest problems I have found with linux. The cheaper sound hardware "mostly" works but constantly crashes, locks up, or other crap. Only thing I have found to be as good or better then the windows version is the soundblaster live drivers.
C) Software selection leaves a lot to be desired.
This is a true statement. Though I personally would argue that MS keeps pushing people out of their software selection as well. But that is a b*tch session really and not appropriate here.
D) Games. I don't think I really need to expound upon this one.
Yup the lack of linux adoption has caused the lack of game titles to appear on linux.
that gaming on Linux SUCKS ASS because most games don't work on Linux.
A lot of the popular titles do have native linux versions and some games run better on linux then on windows. Not all but most of them (making statement using nvidia drivers, milage may vary with other drivers)
Windows can be as secure as any other OS out there.
Sure anything can be secure. The real question is how much intelligence does it require. Your average joe *cannot* make it more secure the linux. The average joe never has to think and linux is 99% more secure for them then windows.
And woe be to he who has a custom compiled kernel.
Nobody. And why were you even wrambling about all that I don't understand. Nobody compiles the kernel anymore these days. Most your linux users use what is out of the box and it just works.
I would LOVE to see Linux suddenly start kicking ass and taking names.
No you wouldn't. Your attitude is clear enough that you really have no intention of giving linux a shot. I didn't reply to a number of statements you made but you do make a lot of 5 year old claims as well which simply are not true. It is like saying windows sucks because you have to remove stuff from the himem area to get your games to work. That was true once upon a time. Not anymore.
Or if you look at the current poll numbers and not what it was when the article was first written
I like it 28.2% (26 Votes) I think the main spec is missing important JSRs 6.5% (6 Votes) I think the web profile spec is missing important JSRs 4.3% (4 Votes) I don't like it for some other reason 4.3% (4 Votes) I haven't read it, but plan to 14.1% (13 Votes) I haven't read it, and don't plan to 42.3% (39 Votes) Something else (please comment) (0 Votes) Total Votes: 92
See some things take time. There might be many who don't plan to read it but there are also those who are actually reading it before putting in a vote. Those numbers come in a bit slower then the ones who don't plan to do anything at all.
How many of us are going to receive phone calls from family when they can't get printer or wireless drivers?
I do understand what it is you were trying to say but you managed to pick the *only* two scenarios where linux actually *uses* the windows drivers and install cd's as is without any problems (or at least in ubuntu you can):)
Try using things like ipod photos and movies, bluetooth, dual screen, as seen on tv software, those IE only websites, etc...
"It takes a long time to load, because its got all this java stuff in it."
One day I presume that people will move on forward to the 21st century and let go of age old issues that are no longer the case. Especially with java 6 (though the alpha versions of java 7 do seem to have cut out a ton of speed making it slow again but it is still alpha and will presumably be resolved) where you can even get ruby and python code to run facter under java 6 then under their own native ruby or python interpreters (which most people find sufficiently fast).
While true that most "swing" written apps are slow (due to idiots not knowing how to code), the eclipse framework is the native operating system widgets not java handled ones so its memory usage is much lower and response times much much faster.
And considering that the parent mentioned it takes about 2 seconds for his to startup and for me on a cold boot it takes about 3 seconds, I don't really know what your "long time to load" complaint comes from but I'm willing to place money that your computer is screwed up and not the software itself.
So it would seem. While I'm editing an image on the remote server in gimp, I can type df in the shell and see that the remote server is mounted to/Volumes/pictures. Isn't that basically smbmount? Why doesn't Gnome do that in Ubuntu?
Um... it does. At least it does in 7.10 gutsy anyway. I have all my moves and pictures stored on a remote server that my wife and i each place our digital videos and phots on after extracting them from the camcorder and camera. We both often grab pictures and do effects and make new pictures and stuff and never once do we actually copy the files to our computers to do it.
We just double click the file on the remote server and gimp opens up and we make the changes as needed. I suppose I might have installed something special a long time ago but I can't for the life of me think what that might have been and gutsy isn't very old really so I'm more likely to believe that it is a feature of gutsy then any hacking I might have done:)
Well to be fair, window's "task manager" is a separate application and not part of the OS. "top" is also a completely separate application as well.
So to keep the same logic in the firefox world, you would need a "plugin" that would report memory usage. Not something integrated into firefox itself.
Admittedly I did not know about deluge, however, I have used a ton of different torrent clients and settled on Azureus (which requires quite a bit of effort to obtain and used compared to others) because it is the most robust and powerful torrent client I've used. I've actually switched a lot of people away from a number of different torrent clients they were using to using Azureus because they too much like myself like all the whiz bang cool features of Azureus even though we rarely need, use, or bother looking at them.
The screenshots of Deluge do look promising but they also seem to be lacking some of the cool statistics of Azureus. I'll give it a shot certainly and see but then again, I find java to simple be a nice powerful language anyway and much better then python which is what it looks like Deluge is written on (so not really any advantage over Azureus other then it has a lot of features stripped out of it thus giving it perhaps an appearance of being faster but if you disable all of the whizbang in azureus, it actually flies super fast with minimal resources as well).
Seeing comments like
This means that FAT32 won't work, no matter what your preference is set to. If you want to share a drive with Windows, use NTFS-3g or EXT3 and then install the windows driver for it (http://www.fs-driver.org/)
make me question why I would use it really when I know that Azureus actually will work with my usb memory sticks and such as well.
The native platform look and feels were pretty bad in the past, but in Java 6 they're close to perfect, both on Windows and GTK.
I use java6 everyday cause I think it is a fantastic program. I write tons of applications as well. However, I still have to use SWT when writing applications cause swing is NOT consistant at all with the ubuntu default look and feel. It has many gaps in drop downs, window frame, most especially in any 3d accelerated desktop (where nothing not even a hello world will show up at all). The system tray is not even swingable so it shows up as ugly old motif which makes it even more hideous to do anything requiring a system tray as well.
Java6 has made a lot of good work, I haven't tried java7 but I'm sure they will have fixed most of these but java 6 in its current form is not close to perfect. Not on GTK anyway.
The advantage of Debian-based systems was that already years ago they had repositories and apt-get that was built on top of the packaging system, that clearly was a huge improvement. But RedHat/Fedora has had the same for quite a number of years now.
While true, Fedora (guessing RHEL as well) still is vastly missing a WHOLE bunch of things in their repositories which is what continues to further fuel the stereotype that the debian-based systems are superior to the rpm based systems.
I waited, very politely, until he put his laptop on the DMZ with his NFS shares turned on. Then I pulled his SSH keys for a set of sourceforge projects from his directory, and his password from his oher Subversion repositories.
Considering that both the ssh keys folder and the subversion authorization folders are both chmod 700 by default, it doesn't matter if he tosses up an NFS share. You still cannot access it without being him or root. And of course if you had his password anyway then trying to access his password by him sharing his home directory is pointless anyway as you could simply just ssh into his computer and grab it. I call shenanigans on this one.
The Subversion authors should never have bothered to include the ability to store the password, at all.
As I mentioned above, by default, without the author changing permissions manually, the passwords are accessible only to the user. Even the group and world are not allowed access into the folder much less the files in them. And for those of us who live in the real world with real enterprise grade software to work on that span a dozen different repositories with at least 6 different authentication systems, yeah remember passwords is a godsend.
Then again, all my "file sharing" happens with a special user account that is nothing but filesharing and I just have symlinks into that user. And it is all samba based filesharing not NFS and it is locked down with a user/password to even access the samba share.
Subversion *does* have many flaws but the storing of passwords is not one of them. That is almost a mandatory feature requirement to work with repositories in most development organizations.
Please let me know when you've introduced yourself to the 21st century.
Just use your copy of office 2003/2007 and save a.doc file in its default format and see how well wordpad does in opening them up. Mine certainly seems to barf up everything in it other then the text itself.
I don't do test sites as they are meaningless to me but doing bittorrent based downloads a lot, and being able to download at peak rates of 2 megs per second (usually around 1.3 megs per second) I gotta say it is pretty good. I can download huge files (gigs range) in a matter of minutes.
But there are different levels of privacy. In this case the question I would ask is: if the people photographed inside their own homes knew that there was going to be a van passing down the street taking photographs and putting them on a public website for all to view would they still have left the curtains open? If the answer is yes then I would say an invasion of privacy has occurred because it is not reasonable to expect someone to be taking photos like this.
Any by that logic, every single person in the world who travels and takes random pictures of something and shared them with friends online has also invaded privacy.
Heck, I must have accidentally invaded a 1000 different people on my last trip to New Zealand. Don't want to even think about how many people I invaded in Italy.
Wow. I go away for a couple of days and this is the debate I see.
Let me spell it out for you a bit better,
C can outperform Java for significant applications that are not GUI *always* if the c/c++ application is compiled for that specific system making proper utilization of all the cpu instruction sets that it has.
Reality is that most c/c++ applications are compiled to the lowest common denominator and thus not able to fully take advantage of various cpu instruction sets.
Java being an interpreted system has the Hot Spot engine which is able to rewrite code on the fly to utilize whatever the underlying cpu does support. The initial rewrite is expensive but it is only a 1 time hit.
There are a lot of java gui applications that are not sluggish. They just use the SWT api typicall and that is really nothing more then a native system call so it isn't really java code but rather native code.
Reason gui's tend not to be *as* good as native code is because the Hot Spot engine doesn't distinguish between gui and server type code. It takes the time to optimize anything it determines is beneficial and gui code tends to be optimized for long term use but gui's are not used long term. And the initial optimizations are expensive. Thus guis will sort of feel slower.
For anything non-gui, real backend business logic, unless you compile the c/c++ applications to make full use of your specific system, it typically will not outperform a java application of similar purpose and design. Simple reality is that almost all binaries are compiled for a 386 platform. Not 586 or 686 or anything else.
And on top of that Sun's java doesn't even claim to be the most efficient. The best ones I've seen are actually IBM's and WebLogics jvm's which are far more advanced and optimized then sun's jvm is. Sun's JVM is a reference implementations. 9 times out of 10, reference implementations are not the best implementations out there. And even then, sun's jvm can outperform c/c++ applications on average for anything of significance.
Same concept as what I use. I shove the iso on a 1gig flash drive. Just move to any computer, mount, and done. Without the lan requirements which some system administrators are not very fond of.
Java does still lag behind native code, not to mention the considerably higher memory usage. All the GUI based java apps i've used feel sluggish too...
Actually that is a fault with the swing api and development practices (or rather people not following the practice) for swing api development. Properly coded swing api is quite fast and very responsive. However, the SWT api is *extremely* fast, little memory usage, and doesn't try to make people follow a practice they are not accustomed to. Seems like your problem here is with the Java API not the Java VM. Those are 2 very different things. The java vm is extremely matured and quite efficient and will play toe to toe with most any native application as well.
Java does lag behind native code in some aspects, it outperforms native code in other aspects. It all depends on what you are trying to do really. Notice how you won't find too many c/c++ applications in the web services of any real business but you will find tons of interpreted languages like java, php, asp, etc... it isn't because c/c++ is to difficult to code to either.
If you truly feel java is as quick as native code, show me a video encoder or encryption program written in java.
You are correct maybe. Anything that requires assembly level optimizations is going to be slow in java. Even the c/c++ applications are to slow for video encoders and enterprise grade encryption algorithms. They too have chunks of code which are assembly level optimizations. In fact, nobody is ever going to contest that *anything* can keep up with a well tuned and optimized assembly code. I guess we should specify what you mean by native code. If you are trying to say that native code means c/c++ then I would say you are wrong and that java can if coded without 10 year old monkeys using wysiwyg tools. I mean seriously, the average amount of intelligence to code c/c++ is higher then java so you get a lot of idiots programming in java as well. However, you get those same above average c/c++ coders coding java and the java applications run just as well as the c/c++ does. Both of the above formentioned things you talk about though (video encoders and encryption systems) are done in assembly and yes both java and c have to invoke those assembly routines for performance.
But yes there are java video encoders and enterprise encryption programs out there as well. And they simply do the same thing that c programs do which is have the performance critical parts of it optimized in assembly and then called through jni. They are amazingly fast. I was quite surprised and in disbelief when I saw it for the first time.
Oh an emulators are another area where low level assembly instructions are required for performance that neither java or c/c++ can handle.
Java doesnt (yet?) make use of SSE features in modern x86 cpus (similarly it doesnt use altivec on ppc) Your cpu cache will be full of the JVM, thus having far less space for your actual code The garbage collection and bounds checking, while it serves its purpose of protecting poor developers from writing insecure code, also causes a performance hit.
Um, welcome to the world of modern java. I presume you are refering to java 1.2 or maybe 1.3 (don't know much about 1.3 actually). A LOT of what you are complaining about has been optimized away almost entirely through the hotspot engines. Java 5 made it much more efficient as well. More importantly java 6 actually does make use of SSE features (no clue about the altivec though) and the cpu cache is not full of the jvm at all. Sorry but you have a very dated idea of java. Please join us in here in the year 2007.
Actually your statement is wrong as well. It *only* uses the resolutions listed in your Xorg.conf if you specifically specify them. If you comment out those resolutions, the x server will auto-figure out all the screen resolutions possible and all of them show up on the list. At least on feisty it works that way. Heck of a lot easier then trying to manually modify the xorg.conf everytime I hook up a different monitor (laptop with dual-screen capability). X-server is willing to figure it all out for me, then i say let it. I don't want to try and outsmart the xserver. I just want to be able to change the resolution on the 2nd monitor.
when Docs doesn't work on my Linux + Firefox 2.0.0.3 setup (no cursor, can't type anything). Sheesh. Get the basics fixed first.
Funny, I'm running ubuntu with Firefox 2.0.0.3 and everything in docs (including shared collaboration) work great no tweaking or anything at all. I use it all the time. Especially the spreadsheet stuff. I've never had more then 3 people working on a single document of mine at the same time so far but at least up to 3 people simultaneously works great as well.
I think perhaps you went in there and disabled javascript or added an add-on or something else to break yourself cause out of the box it works.
I have a hard time looking at Google Docs and thinking anyone would find it compares to say "Ajax13" ( http://www.ajax13.com/ ) or other independent offerings.
yet it doesn't support safari, konqueror, or firefox 2.0 running under linux either.
thanks but no thanks. think GOffice will work much better. People other then windows users are able to use it. Sort of the key point I would think.
You're making some huge mistakes. First, the cost of office software is nothing for a corporation, compared to its other expenses (taxes, salaries, hardware, office bills and so on and so on).
Second, those Google Apps are suitable for some purposes, but for heavy or advanced usage, they're totally unfit. So far we're looking at a bunch of online toys trying to pretend they're Office. They will replace Office exactly as the "web OS" sites will replace Windows.
1) for the larger companies this is correct. in fact they have a special budget just for this stuff and if they don't spend it they lose it. they are not saving anything at all in larger companies.
2) for small and medium size business this will be a huge savings and *that* is the purpose of GOffice.
Targetting corporations is pointless. They have to run all email and software inside their walls and they sometimes won't even allow you to use something like gmail while at work. Small and medium size businesses don't have that kind of infrastructure and bureaucracy yet and will benefit greatly from this type of online office suite.
Heh, no distro is perfect. It is funny though, I tried to switch from ubuntu to fedora a few times, but fedora was *NEVER* able to fully install itself on my dell laptop, amd64 desktop, or my pentium 2 266mhz (yeah that old thing) correctly.
laptop always froze up when dealing with some sort of pcmcia stuff (wtf? i don't even have any pcmcia cards in there)
amd64 desktop always kernel panic'd when the screensaver kicked in (truely sucked)
pentium 2 didn't have its hard drive found (how could you not find the hard drive???)
Interesting cause I have a 1Ghz AMD system, 1 gig of ram, and a GeForce 3 64meg card and the non-textured is giving me blazing fast results under firefox 2.0 and the textured version is giving me between 9 and 10 frames per second as well.
Furthermore, Linux requires "extra software" to burn ISO's; the only difference is that many distros include that software by default.
Not true. every single desktop environment has a native cd writing application same as windows. Only difference is that the native cd writing application on all those environments DOES have the ability to burn everything including iso and raw and other formats straight out of the box. With windows you *must* go out to the web or cd's and pull down extra software that is not windows software in order to do anything with any image formats (this was actually done on purpose by microsoft to reduce piracy by people).
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No. Someone saw some files that related to the Linux server and jumped to conclusions. Then, as usual, Linux users started running around flapping their wings and squawking like the silly little parrots they are.
Wow. I find this very interesting since I *DID* actually use Vavle to install some native linux titles through their beta linux program. And not the server stuff either. Full fledged client. But well I must be jumping to conclusions here. I do like flapping those wings of mine like a silly parrot.
I don't hate windows but I do use linux and have told average users to not switch to linux or to switch depending on what was appropriate.
A) Installation IS a pain in the ass for anyone who isn't a geek with a decent amount of experience. Hell its a pain in the ass for those who DO have a decent amount of experience, especially when trying a new distro for the first time that has a wholly different install experience.
That is just a load of crap. Installation of XP and Vista are both a bigger pain the arse then linux is. In fact, I have 2 friends who convert over to linux BECAUSE they could not get XP to install on their computer and use their hardware. And it "just works" under linux. And I've seen far too many people who have actually tried both admit that linux is easier to install and it just work. Almost never have I seen the opposite to be true.
Coming pre-installed from manufacturer is not the same as installing from scratch.
B) Driver support sucks.
Yes. For printers and network cards you can actually use the windows drivers and they work perfectly. For everything else, if it doesn't come out of the box with linux, well that sucks big time. Sound drivers are the biggest problems I have found with linux. The cheaper sound hardware "mostly" works but constantly crashes, locks up, or other crap. Only thing I have found to be as good or better then the windows version is the soundblaster live drivers.
C) Software selection leaves a lot to be desired.
This is a true statement. Though I personally would argue that MS keeps pushing people out of their software selection as well. But that is a b*tch session really and not appropriate here.
D) Games. I don't think I really need to expound upon this one.
Yup the lack of linux adoption has caused the lack of game titles to appear on linux.
that gaming on Linux SUCKS ASS because most games don't work on Linux.
A lot of the popular titles do have native linux versions and some games run better on linux then on windows. Not all but most of them (making statement using nvidia drivers, milage may vary with other drivers)
Windows can be as secure as any other OS out there.
Sure anything can be secure. The real question is how much intelligence does it require. Your average joe *cannot* make it more secure the linux. The average joe never has to think and linux is 99% more secure for them then windows.
And woe be to he who has a custom compiled kernel.
Nobody. And why were you even wrambling about all that I don't understand. Nobody compiles the kernel anymore these days. Most your linux users use what is out of the box and it just works.
I would LOVE to see Linux suddenly start kicking ass and taking names.
No you wouldn't. Your attitude is clear enough that you really have no intention of giving linux a shot. I didn't reply to a number of statements you made but you do make a lot of 5 year old claims as well which simply are not true. It is like saying windows sucks because you have to remove stuff from the himem area to get your games to work. That was true once upon a time. Not anymore.
Or if you look at the current poll numbers and not what it was when the article was first written
I like it 28.2% (26 Votes)
I think the main spec is missing important JSRs 6.5% (6 Votes)
I think the web profile spec is missing important JSRs 4.3% (4 Votes)
I don't like it for some other reason 4.3% (4 Votes)
I haven't read it, but plan to 14.1% (13 Votes)
I haven't read it, and don't plan to 42.3% (39 Votes)
Something else (please comment) (0 Votes)
Total Votes: 92
See some things take time. There might be many who don't plan to read it but there are also those who are actually reading it before putting in a vote. Those numbers come in a bit slower then the ones who don't plan to do anything at all.
How many of us are going to receive phone calls from family when they can't get printer or wireless drivers?
I do understand what it is you were trying to say but you managed to pick the *only* two scenarios where linux actually *uses* the windows drivers and install cd's as is without any problems (or at least in ubuntu you can) :)
Try using things like ipod photos and movies, bluetooth, dual screen, as seen on tv software, those IE only websites, etc ...
"It takes a long time to load, because its got all this java stuff in it."
One day I presume that people will move on forward to the 21st century and let go of age old issues that are no longer the case. Especially with java 6 (though the alpha versions of java 7 do seem to have cut out a ton of speed making it slow again but it is still alpha and will presumably be resolved) where you can even get ruby and python code to run facter under java 6 then under their own native ruby or python interpreters (which most people find sufficiently fast).
While true that most "swing" written apps are slow (due to idiots not knowing how to code), the eclipse framework is the native operating system widgets not java handled ones so its memory usage is much lower and response times much much faster.
And considering that the parent mentioned it takes about 2 seconds for his to startup and for me on a cold boot it takes about 3 seconds, I don't really know what your "long time to load" complaint comes from but I'm willing to place money that your computer is screwed up and not the software itself.
Um
We just double click the file on the remote server and gimp opens up and we make the changes as needed. I suppose I might have installed something special a long time ago but I can't for the life of me think what that might have been and gutsy isn't very old really so I'm more likely to believe that it is a feature of gutsy then any hacking I might have done
Well to be fair, window's "task manager" is a separate application and not part of the OS. "top" is also a completely separate application as well.
So to keep the same logic in the firefox world, you would need a "plugin" that would report memory usage. Not something integrated into firefox itself.
The screenshots of Deluge do look promising but they also seem to be lacking some of the cool statistics of Azureus. I'll give it a shot certainly and see but then again, I find java to simple be a nice powerful language anyway and much better then python which is what it looks like Deluge is written on (so not really any advantage over Azureus other then it has a lot of features stripped out of it thus giving it perhaps an appearance of being faster but if you disable all of the whizbang in azureus, it actually flies super fast with minimal resources as well).
Seeing comments like
make me question why I would use it really when I know that Azureus actually will work with my usb memory sticks and such as well.
I use java6 everyday cause I think it is a fantastic program. I write tons of applications as well. However, I still have to use SWT when writing applications cause swing is NOT consistant at all with the ubuntu default look and feel. It has many gaps in drop downs, window frame, most especially in any 3d accelerated desktop (where nothing not even a hello world will show up at all). The system tray is not even swingable so it shows up as ugly old motif which makes it even more hideous to do anything requiring a system tray as well.
Java6 has made a lot of good work, I haven't tried java7 but I'm sure they will have fixed most of these but java 6 in its current form is not close to perfect. Not on GTK anyway.
While true, Fedora (guessing RHEL as well) still is vastly missing a WHOLE bunch of things in their repositories which is what continues to further fuel the stereotype that the debian-based systems are superior to the rpm based systems.
Considering that both the ssh keys folder and the subversion authorization folders are both chmod 700 by default, it doesn't matter if he tosses up an NFS share. You still cannot access it without being him or root. And of course if you had his password anyway then trying to access his password by him sharing his home directory is pointless anyway as you could simply just ssh into his computer and grab it. I call shenanigans on this one.
As I mentioned above, by default, without the author changing permissions manually, the passwords are accessible only to the user. Even the group and world are not allowed access into the folder much less the files in them. And for those of us who live in the real world with real enterprise grade software to work on that span a dozen different repositories with at least 6 different authentication systems, yeah remember passwords is a godsend.
Then again, all my "file sharing" happens with a special user account that is nothing but filesharing and I just have symlinks into that user. And it is all samba based filesharing not NFS and it is locked down with a user/password to even access the samba share.
Subversion *does* have many flaws but the storing of passwords is not one of them. That is almost a mandatory feature requirement to work with repositories in most development organizations.
Please let me know when you've introduced yourself to the 21st century.
.doc file in its default format and see how well wordpad does in opening them up. Mine certainly seems to barf up everything in it other then the text itself.
Just use your copy of office 2003/2007 and save a
I don't do test sites as they are meaningless to me but doing bittorrent based downloads a lot, and being able to download at peak rates of 2 megs per second (usually around 1.3 megs per second) I gotta say it is pretty good. I can download huge files (gigs range) in a matter of minutes.
Any by that logic, every single person in the world who travels and takes random pictures of something and shared them with friends online has also invaded privacy.
Heck, I must have accidentally invaded a 1000 different people on my last trip to New Zealand. Don't want to even think about how many people I invaded in Italy.
Wow. I go away for a couple of days and this is the debate I see.
Let me spell it out for you a bit better,
C can outperform Java for significant applications that are not GUI *always* if the c/c++ application is compiled for that specific system making proper utilization of all the cpu instruction sets that it has.
Reality is that most c/c++ applications are compiled to the lowest common denominator and thus not able to fully take advantage of various cpu instruction sets.
Java being an interpreted system has the Hot Spot engine which is able to rewrite code on the fly to utilize whatever the underlying cpu does support. The initial rewrite is expensive but it is only a 1 time hit.
There are a lot of java gui applications that are not sluggish. They just use the SWT api typicall and that is really nothing more then a native system call so it isn't really java code but rather native code.
Reason gui's tend not to be *as* good as native code is because the Hot Spot engine doesn't distinguish between gui and server type code. It takes the time to optimize anything it determines is beneficial and gui code tends to be optimized for long term use but gui's are not used long term. And the initial optimizations are expensive. Thus guis will sort of feel slower.
For anything non-gui, real backend business logic, unless you compile the c/c++ applications to make full use of your specific system, it typically will not outperform a java application of similar purpose and design. Simple reality is that almost all binaries are compiled for a 386 platform. Not 586 or 686 or anything else.
And on top of that Sun's java doesn't even claim to be the most efficient. The best ones I've seen are actually IBM's and WebLogics jvm's which are far more advanced and optimized then sun's jvm is. Sun's JVM is a reference implementations. 9 times out of 10, reference implementations are not the best implementations out there. And even then, sun's jvm can outperform c/c++ applications on average for anything of significance.
Same concept as what I use. I shove the iso on a 1gig flash drive. Just move to any computer, mount, and done. Without the lan requirements which some system administrators are not very fond of.
How is any of this doing anything at all that Java using the SWT api's does not already do?
Actually that is a fault with the swing api and development practices (or rather people not following the practice) for swing api development. Properly coded swing api is quite fast and very responsive. However, the SWT api is *extremely* fast, little memory usage, and doesn't try to make people follow a practice they are not accustomed to. Seems like your problem here is with the Java API not the Java VM. Those are 2 very different things. The java vm is extremely matured and quite efficient and will play toe to toe with most any native application as well.
Java does lag behind native code in some aspects, it outperforms native code in other aspects. It all depends on what you are trying to do really. Notice how you won't find too many c/c++ applications in the web services of any real business but you will find tons of interpreted languages like java, php, asp, etc
You are correct maybe. Anything that requires assembly level optimizations is going to be slow in java. Even the c/c++ applications are to slow for video encoders and enterprise grade encryption algorithms. They too have chunks of code which are assembly level optimizations. In fact, nobody is ever going to contest that *anything* can keep up with a well tuned and optimized assembly code. I guess we should specify what you mean by native code. If you are trying to say that native code means c/c++ then I would say you are wrong and that java can if coded without 10 year old monkeys using wysiwyg tools. I mean seriously, the average amount of intelligence to code c/c++ is higher then java so you get a lot of idiots programming in java as well. However, you get those same above average c/c++ coders coding java and the java applications run just as well as the c/c++ does. Both of the above formentioned things you talk about though (video encoders and encryption systems) are done in assembly and yes both java and c have to invoke those assembly routines for performance.
But yes there are java video encoders and enterprise encryption programs out there as well. And they simply do the same thing that c programs do which is have the performance critical parts of it optimized in assembly and then called through jni. They are amazingly fast. I was quite surprised and in disbelief when I saw it for the first time.
Oh an emulators are another area where low level assembly instructions are required for performance that neither java or c/c++ can handle.
Um, welcome to the world of modern java. I presume you are refering to java 1.2 or maybe 1.3 (don't know much about 1.3 actually). A LOT of what you are complaining about has been optimized away almost entirely through the hotspot engines. Java 5 made it much more efficient as well. More importantly java 6 actually does make use of SSE features (no clue about the altivec though) and the cpu cache is not full of the jvm at all. Sorry but you have a very dated idea of java. Please join us in here in the year 2007.
Actually your statement is wrong as well. It *only* uses the resolutions listed in your Xorg.conf if you specifically specify them. If you comment out those resolutions, the x server will auto-figure out all the screen resolutions possible and all of them show up on the list. At least on feisty it works that way. Heck of a lot easier then trying to manually modify the xorg.conf everytime I hook up a different monitor (laptop with dual-screen capability). X-server is willing to figure it all out for me, then i say let it. I don't want to try and outsmart the xserver. I just want to be able to change the resolution on the 2nd monitor.
Funny, I'm running ubuntu with Firefox 2.0.0.3 and everything in docs (including shared collaboration) work great no tweaking or anything at all. I use it all the time. Especially the spreadsheet stuff. I've never had more then 3 people working on a single document of mine at the same time so far but at least up to 3 people simultaneously works great as well.
I think perhaps you went in there and disabled javascript or added an add-on or something else to break yourself cause out of the box it works.
yet it doesn't support safari, konqueror, or firefox 2.0 running under linux either.
thanks but no thanks. think GOffice will work much better. People other then windows users are able to use it. Sort of the key point I would think.
1) for the larger companies this is correct. in fact they have a special budget just for this stuff and if they don't spend it they lose it. they are not saving anything at all in larger companies.
2) for small and medium size business this will be a huge savings and *that* is the purpose of GOffice.
Targetting corporations is pointless. They have to run all email and software inside their walls and they sometimes won't even allow you to use something like gmail while at work. Small and medium size businesses don't have that kind of infrastructure and bureaucracy yet and will benefit greatly from this type of online office suite.
Heh, no distro is perfect. It is funny though, I tried to switch from ubuntu to fedora a few times, but fedora was *NEVER* able to fully install itself on my dell laptop, amd64 desktop, or my pentium 2 266mhz (yeah that old thing) correctly.
laptop always froze up when dealing with some sort of pcmcia stuff (wtf? i don't even have any pcmcia cards in there)
amd64 desktop always kernel panic'd when the screensaver kicked in (truely sucked)
pentium 2 didn't have its hard drive found (how could you not find the hard drive???)
Interesting cause I have a 1Ghz AMD system, 1 gig of ram, and a GeForce 3 64meg card and the non-textured is giving me blazing fast results under firefox 2.0 and the textured version is giving me between 9 and 10 frames per second as well.
Maybe your graphics card sucks.
Not true. every single desktop environment has a native cd writing application same as windows. Only difference is that the native cd writing application on all those environments DOES have the ability to burn everything including iso and raw and other formats straight out of the box. With windows you *must* go out to the web or cd's and pull down extra software that is not windows software in order to do anything with any image formats (this was actually done on purpose by microsoft to reduce piracy by people).