Offensive to whom? Only to Nazis, or offensive to genocidal regimes in general?
Ask any Mongol survivor, or a refugee from the Dreprung Loseling monastery, if the comparison is unreasonable.
Chinese people perhaps?
The Drepung attrocity happened decades ago, are you saying China hasn't changed? The fact is each country/civilisation/culture has terrible things in their past. Raising long past events isn't any defence of a comment equating current China to the Nazi regime.
I don't have any resources to quote chapter and verse, but I am certain that it's a matter of doctrine that we obey the laws of any country we visit or do business in. The dividing line is past the point where we have embargos. We obey Saudi laws and Malaysian laws, but we don't obey Cuban laws or North Korean laws.
Don't worry, I'm not after any research:-) I agree that's what the position should be in reality. The comments of the Congressman however intimated that Google et al. shouldn't be following certain laws of the countries they operate within because they aren't the same as US law. I think I responded to another post simply by saying if this were really an issue, the US wouldn't allow companies to operate in China.
Basically I think we agree there!
Yes, the current government is completely broken according to its opposition. Nevertheless, people have not yet become upset enough to take real action (coup, rebellion, allies becoming enemies and taking military action, that sort of thing), preferring instead to wait out the term peacably.
I think the sad irony in that is that under the current regime, they would be called terrorists.
When the law in question is one of basic human freedoms -- no.
Let's try and not get back to the G. Bay discussion;-)
However, progress doesn't really occur by violating other countries' laws does it?
Surely it makes a lot more sense to encourage an ecomonic dependance on services and use the leverage to help educate people. Not that I particularly like the idea of leverage, but it's been a common tool across the globe for many a year and has proven pretty successful.
If this were really an issue then the American goverment wouldn't allow companies to trade in China.
This Congressman has been one of the strongest objectors to this kind of willful violation of the 6th Amendment. He's a Democrat however and has been consistently denied the power to do anything about it. You should read more about what the people in your government are doing before lazily tarring them all with the same brush.
Ah if only I were an American living in America...
But it's good for people to point these things out (knowledge is a good thing). It does then somewhat surprise me he made such callous comments.
Also, by your own logic, you're a part of this system too as a voter and are just as guilty of hypocrisy as he is.
Assuming I would have voted for him. Then there's the non-voters. Even then, that's a pretty large brush to paint people with.
Those people jailed at Guantanamo Bay are also there for their ties to terrorism, not because they were simply anti-American.
Uhuh, that's why they've gone to trial and proven this "fact" of yours is it?
If you don't apply the process of law to everybody then what's the point of law in the first place.
These guys are our prisoners and soldiers are going out of their way to make them feel comfortable.
Yes, we've seen the photos.
Have you never considered the fact that these people have been captured in another country under a status of war and transported from that country and denied prisoner of war status.
What is astounding are comments where people try to justify horrendous abuses of human rights.
1) The implicit comparison of Chinese law to Nazi Germany's is pretty offensive.
2) He also seems to imply that violation of other countries laws just because the US goverment doesn't agree with them is morally correct. That's a morally questionable point in itself.
3) This 'Congressman' also part of a system which has incarcerated a number of people indefinately without due process of law (Guantanamo Bay of course) because they say they're guilty. Somewhat hypocritical...
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Offensive to whom? Only to Nazis, or offensive to genocidal regimes in general? Ask any Mongol survivor, or a refugee from the Dreprung Loseling monastery, if the comparison is unreasonable.
:-) I agree that's what the position should be in reality. The comments of the Congressman however intimated that Google et al. shouldn't be following certain laws of the countries they operate within because they aren't the same as US law. I think I responded to another post simply by saying if this were really an issue, the US wouldn't allow companies to operate in China.
Chinese people perhaps?
The Drepung attrocity happened decades ago, are you saying China hasn't changed? The fact is each country/civilisation/culture has terrible things in their past. Raising long past events isn't any defence of a comment equating current China to the Nazi regime.
I don't have any resources to quote chapter and verse, but I am certain that it's a matter of doctrine that we obey the laws of any country we visit or do business in. The dividing line is past the point where we have embargos. We obey Saudi laws and Malaysian laws, but we don't obey Cuban laws or North Korean laws.
Don't worry, I'm not after any research
Basically I think we agree there!
Yes, the current government is completely broken according to its opposition. Nevertheless, people have not yet become upset enough to take real action (coup, rebellion, allies becoming enemies and taking military action, that sort of thing), preferring instead to wait out the term peacably.
I think the sad irony in that is that under the current regime, they would be called terrorists.
When the law in question is one of basic human freedoms -- no.
;-)
Let's try and not get back to the G. Bay discussion
However, progress doesn't really occur by violating other countries' laws does it?
Surely it makes a lot more sense to encourage an ecomonic dependance on services and use the leverage to help educate people. Not that I particularly like the idea of leverage, but it's been a common tool across the globe for many a year and has proven pretty successful.
If this were really an issue then the American goverment wouldn't allow companies to trade in China.
This Congressman has been one of the strongest objectors to this kind of willful violation of the 6th Amendment. He's a Democrat however and has been consistently denied the power to do anything about it. You should read more about what the people in your government are doing before lazily tarring them all with the same brush.
Ah if only I were an American living in America...
But it's good for people to point these things out (knowledge is a good thing). It does then somewhat surprise me he made such callous comments.
Also, by your own logic, you're a part of this system too as a voter and are just as guilty of hypocrisy as he is.
Assuming I would have voted for him. Then there's the non-voters. Even then, that's a pretty large brush to paint people with.
Those people jailed at Guantanamo Bay are also there for their ties to terrorism, not because they were simply anti-American.
Uhuh, that's why they've gone to trial and proven this "fact" of yours is it?
If you don't apply the process of law to everybody then what's the point of law in the first place.
These guys are our prisoners and soldiers are going out of their way to make them feel comfortable.
Yes, we've seen the photos.
Have you never considered the fact that these people have been captured in another country under a status of war and transported from that country and denied prisoner of war status.
What is astounding are comments where people try to justify horrendous abuses of human rights.
A few points:
1) The implicit comparison of Chinese law to Nazi Germany's is pretty offensive.
2) He also seems to imply that violation of other countries laws just because the US goverment doesn't agree with them is morally correct. That's a morally questionable point in itself.
3) This 'Congressman' also part of a system which has incarcerated a number of people indefinately without due process of law (Guantanamo Bay of course) because they say they're guilty. Somewhat hypocritical...