What a coincidence, so are Microsoft's! (oh boy now I'll get flamed; some people can't take a joke, but I guess if I worked for MS I'd have a thin skin too)
None of the girls I know even use pimps. I do know one who used to have a pimp but she smartened up, got off the drugs, and got rid of the pimps. Now she's running an escort service!
When you say "good on the hooker thing" I assume you're referring to the slashdot journal entry My Friends, the Whores?
Bankrupcy has traditionally been protection against creditors. Shit happens. Nobody goes bankrupt on purpose, and almost nobody goes bankrupt because of stupid decisions. The vision everyone has is of someone going crazy with credit cards and living beyond their means, but that's very rare. The #1 cause of bankruptcy is illness or injury and the loss of work and hugs bills caused. The #2 reason is divorce and the lack of the second income.
I'd already lost my house and car when I declared bankrupcy, so the new law probably wouldn't have affected me much; I was in an apartment by then. I'm buying another house now, but I'm relatively young, compared to Ralph anyway.
The fact that he's elderly means he can't go get a second job, the man can barely walk. He's worked his whole life and you're willing to let a bunch of greedheads take everything away from him because of the doctors who put him in the financial position he's in?
Were he in any other indistrialized nation but the USA he woudn't even have needed to declare bankrupcy, because he wouldn't have the crushing medical bills.
Lose your car and how do you get to work? Prospective landlords check credit, and if you've just declared bankruptcy you're not going to get an apartment for a couple of years. I had a hell of a time finding an apartment after the foreclosure.
This law makes homelessness a slip on the ice away for every lower and middle class person in the country.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your hate though.
Look again; I didn't say "Republican" I said "Republicrat". The Republicans and Democrats are two wings of the corporate party, with less difference than various factions of the defunct USSR communist party or Nazis in WWII Germany. The fact that all but two of the hundreds of representatives voted "yes" to this awful bill is a testament to that fact. Both wings of the party vote in lockstep.
What I "hate" is the fact that American representatives (traitors IMO) of foreign owned corporations (BP, Shell, Sony, Chrysler, etc) can "contribute" to both major party candidates. Democrat or Republican, they don't represent me, they represent the corporations. My vote is less than chump change, and has been more than compensated for by the millions "donated" to campaigns.
Too bad bribery is legal in this country or we might actually have a government that represented its citizens rather than the foreign and domestic corporations. We have the best politicians money can buy.
It doesn't matter, if someone hires me to do a job and I subcontract to you to do part of it and you screw it up, it's still my responsibility. Now, anyone who has seen me comment here knows I'm no Microsoft fan (they write the absolutely worst stuff IMO) but if I buy a Dell and a month later it won't boot, I don't care if it was a Microsoft bug, it's Dell's responsibility.
Now, if i'd installed Duke Nukem 4ever on it (that game will be out before I buy a Dell) that would be a different story. Unless of course I bought the Dell to run Duke Nukem 4ever...
That was a remark about the nanny state that the Republicrats are setting up. The biggest difference between the two is which rights they want to take away first.
Sadly, I doubt we'll be able to vote for him in the general election. In the primaries I'm torn between registering as a Republican and voting FOR Ron Paul, or registering as a Democrat and voting AGAINST both Obama and Clinton.
Any sense of security is a false sense of security. But you know what? I'm as secure as I need to be.
All my DVDs and videotapes were stolen recently. As none of the windows or door locks seem to have been compromised, it was surely an inside job - someone I'd trusted. You remployer likewise is more likely to have the system compromised from the inside than from an outsider breaking into your servers.
Does this mean I shouldn't have locks on my doors? Of course not. But like a corporate IT breakin, the worst part is that I don't know who I can trust, and you can't go through life trusting nobody. It hurts to know that someone I thought was a friend stole from me.
Is the average house secure? Of course not. Even if I had bank vaults for doors, all a burglar would have to do is break a window.
Is the average home computer secure? Yes, the average home computer running Windows is secure. There's nothing there to steal! Most people DON'T keep private info on their computer. If my house were empty I'd have no beed to lock its doors. Spam and child porn? That's your problem, not mine!
Is there anything in town more secure than a bank vault? Hardly; yet banks still get robbed.
A couple of quotes that I shall not attribute, because you've heard them both before:
Anyone who would trade freedom for security deserves neither
Don't lay your treasure on Earth, where thieves can steal it, and dust and moths can corrupt it.
Sound advice. AFAIK my computer's never been broken into, except of course when Sony tricked my daughter into installing a rootkit. I've had my home broken into (not the latest inside job; a door was broken and stereo stolen 30 years ago), but as with Sony and its rootkits, my meatspace losses from fraudulent businessmen and the corporations they run have far exceeded losses from non-corporate thieves. And I've had two chip fans bite the dust.
Secure? There is no such thing. Secure enough? Yes. Most people ARE secure enough.
Wouldn't it be better to just NOT PASS STUPID LAWS LIKE THIS? Mod me redundant, but I'd paste in one of my slashdot journals here, as it makes a point about this very succinctly, but there are links and blockquotes and bold tags and it would be just too much trouble for a comment. And that was a particularly bad sentence but damn guys... It's the one about Klutzo the Clown dying from a heart attack after getting tasered (voted down in the firehose)=. Here's an excerpt (links to newspaper articlles are in the journal itself):
Klutzo the Cop Clergy Clown was a former police officer, former Christian preacher, former "Big Brother", and had worked in two day care centers.
He was in jail on charges of child pornography and "sex tourism" after returning from a trip he made to the Phillipines to have sex with children.
But parents, be afraid of teh intarwebs. A preditor from the internet might get them. Don't worry one little bit about the cop, the minister, the day care worker, or the clown
OK, call me stupid but I've seen this sentiment several times here today. WHY is it a dumb idea? If I get wifi I fully intend to leave it open; why be selfish?
There are examples from before this 55 year old geezer was ever born. Ever hear of Alcohol Prohibition? No different from present day drug laws, except they had to pass a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw that drug (why didn't they have to amend the Constitution to outlaw reefer)?
When everyone is a criminal, there is no "rule of law." You have reverted to rule by men. I fear the US is already there; I'm a criminal. Thankfully I'm inindicted so far, but I'm vocal. If/when I go to prison you will know I'm a US political prisoner.
It's dangerous to call for the repeal of the unconstitutional drug, prostitution, and gambling laws in this country.
America will *legislate* itself into the Stone Age. No, terrorists could use rocks as weapons.
Seems to me that since this bill is terrorizing almost everyone at slashdot (except for confirmed, unabashed criminals like me), the terrorists are using legislation as weapons.
-mcgrew
PS- when they start writing respectable laws, I'll start respecting the law.
The argument is always put that people who sponge free wifi should be prosecuted, under the analogy that leaving your front door open, doesn't mean people are entitled to steal from you.
You can't steal it from me if I'm freely giving it away. An open wifi is not the same as an open front door. The analogy is rediculously stupid.
If a bank robber uses my yard as part of his getaway route I should be prosecuted for not posting a "no tresspassing" sign, even if I don't care if people cut across my yard? WTF??? What country is this anyway, Oceana?
Obama doesn't represent you any more than he represents my hazel-eyed hairy Illinois ass. He represents the bankers and corporations. He has been bought and is OWNED by the bankers. Ironic that he would be the bankers' chattel when none of his black anscestors were slaves. The bankers bankrolled his election to the Senate, and he voted for bankrupcy "reform", the bill that makes you homeless if you declare bankrupcy. That's doing a lot of good for most black people, isn't it?
I think it's stupidly racist and disgusting as hell that black people vote for that damned Obama and every other black candidate based on nothing but the color of his skin. WTF is wrong with people?
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill (H.R. 3791 ) to modernize and expand the reporting requirements relating to child pornography, to expand cooperation in combating child pornography, and for other purposes, as amended.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The text of the bill is as follows:
H.R. 3791
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online Act of 2007'' or the ``SAFE Act of 2007''.
SEC. 2. REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS AND REMOTE COMPUTING SERVICE PROVIDERS.
(a) In General.--Chapter 110 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2258 the following:
``SEC. 2258A. REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS AND REMOTE COMPUTING SERVICE PROVIDERS.
``(a) Duty To Report.--
``(1) IN GENERAL.--Whoever, while engaged in providing an electronic communication service or a remote computing service to the public through a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, obtains actual knowledge of any facts or circumstances described in paragraph (2) shall, as soon as reasonably possible--
``(A) complete and maintain with current information a registration with the CyberTipline of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or any successor to the CyberTipline operated by such center, by providing the mailing address, telephone number, facsimile number, electronic mail address of, and individual point of contact for, such electronic communication service provider or remote computing service provider; and
``(B) make a report of such facts or circumstances to the CyberTipline, or any successor to the CyberTipline operated by such center.
``(2) FACTS OR CIRCUMSTANCES.--The facts or circumstances described in this paragraph are any facts or circumstances that appear to indicate a violation of--
``(A) section 2251, 2251A, 2252, 2252A, 2252B, or 2260 that involves child pornography; or
``(B) section 1466A.
``(b) Contents of Report.--To the extent available to an electronic communication service provider or a remote computing service provider, each report under subsection (a)(1) shall include the following information:
``(1) INFORMATION ABOUT THE INVOLVED INDIVIDUAL.--Information relating to the Internet identity of any individual who appears to have violated a Federal law in the manner described in subsection (a)(2), which shall, to the extent reasonably practicable, include the electronic mail address, website address, uniform resource locator, or any other identifying information, including self-reported identifying information.
``(2) HISTORICAL REFERENCE.--Information relating to when any apparent child pornography was uploaded, transmitted, reported to, or discovered by the electronic communication service provider or remote computing service provider, as the case may be, including a date and time stamp and time zone.
``(3) GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION INFORMATION.--Information relating to the geographic location of the involved individual, hosting website, or uniform resource locator, which shall include the Internet Protocol Address or verified billing address, or, if not reasonably available, at least one form of geographic identifying information, including area code or zip code. The in
You have to know that someone is downloading CP using your WiFi connection and not report it.
No, they have to ACCUSE YOU of knowing, whether or not you actually knew. How can your knowing be proven, or disproven?
But what do I know? I smoke pot, hire hookers, and play poker with my friends. If they want me to respect the law they're going to have to write respectable laws.
You think you have it bad in New York? I live in Illinois! Obama voted for that gift to the bankers who put him in the Senate, the "bankrupcy reform" bill. Before this, bankrupcy let you keep your home and one automobile; I declared bankrupcy after my divorce (one of the leading causes of bankrupcy) and before this bill passed. My elderly friend Ralph discovered that this bill that Obama voted for (I'll bet Hillary did too) would make my 86 year old WWII veteran friend homeless if he declared bankrupcy! Ralph owns his home free and clear.
Well, he DID own it free and clear; he took out a "reverse mortgage". Attention black people: Obama will NOT represent you any more than he represents me or Ralph. He represents bankers and corporations, just like every other Corporate Republicrat Shiteating Dickweed (tm).
-mcgrew
PS- I proudly voted against Obama when he ran for Senate. Sadly, the Libertarian I voted for got even fewer votes than Alan Keyes, Obama's black Republicrat rival who had never stepped foot in Illinois before. And the media wonders why people stay home on election day...
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And here is the #1 group of pirates they should fear!
These MPAA clowns are the same bozos who said the VCR was the movie industry's biggest threat a couple of decades ago.
What a coincidence, so are Microsoft's! (oh boy now I'll get flamed; some people can't take a joke, but I guess if I worked for MS I'd have a thin skin too)
Maybe that is the intention of this law
I may be a cynic, but that's what I think. BTW, IIRC your sig came from a Heinlein story.
None of the girls I know even use pimps. I do know one who used to have a pimp but she smartened up, got off the drugs, and got rid of the pimps. Now she's running an escort service!
When you say "good on the hooker thing" I assume you're referring to the slashdot journal entry My Friends, the Whores?
Someone once had a slashdot sig that read "C:\ is the root of all evil" a few years ago
Bankrupcy has traditionally been protection against creditors. Shit happens. Nobody goes bankrupt on purpose, and almost nobody goes bankrupt because of stupid decisions. The vision everyone has is of someone going crazy with credit cards and living beyond their means, but that's very rare. The #1 cause of bankruptcy is illness or injury and the loss of work and hugs bills caused. The #2 reason is divorce and the lack of the second income.
I'd already lost my house and car when I declared bankrupcy, so the new law probably wouldn't have affected me much; I was in an apartment by then. I'm buying another house now, but I'm relatively young, compared to Ralph anyway.
The fact that he's elderly means he can't go get a second job, the man can barely walk. He's worked his whole life and you're willing to let a bunch of greedheads take everything away from him because of the doctors who put him in the financial position he's in?
Were he in any other indistrialized nation but the USA he woudn't even have needed to declare bankrupcy, because he wouldn't have the crushing medical bills.
Lose your car and how do you get to work? Prospective landlords check credit, and if you've just declared bankruptcy you're not going to get an apartment for a couple of years. I had a hell of a time finding an apartment after the foreclosure.
This law makes homelessness a slip on the ice away for every lower and middle class person in the country.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your hate though.
Look again; I didn't say "Republican" I said "Republicrat". The Republicans and Democrats are two wings of the corporate party, with less difference than various factions of the defunct USSR communist party or Nazis in WWII Germany. The fact that all but two of the hundreds of representatives voted "yes" to this awful bill is a testament to that fact. Both wings of the party vote in lockstep.
What I "hate" is the fact that American representatives (traitors IMO) of foreign owned corporations (BP, Shell, Sony, Chrysler, etc) can "contribute" to both major party candidates. Democrat or Republican, they don't represent me, they represent the corporations. My vote is less than chump change, and has been more than compensated for by the millions "donated" to campaigns.
Too bad bribery is legal in this country or we might actually have a government that represented its citizens rather than the foreign and domestic corporations. We have the best politicians money can buy.
It doesn't matter, if someone hires me to do a job and I subcontract to you to do part of it and you screw it up, it's still my responsibility. Now, anyone who has seen me comment here knows I'm no Microsoft fan (they write the absolutely worst stuff IMO) but if I buy a Dell and a month later it won't boot, I don't care if it was a Microsoft bug, it's Dell's responsibility.
Now, if i'd installed Duke Nukem 4ever on it (that game will be out before I buy a Dell) that would be a different story. Unless of course I bought the Dell to run Duke Nukem 4ever...
That was a remark about the nanny state that the Republicrats are setting up. The biggest difference between the two is which rights they want to take away first.
Sadly, I doubt we'll be able to vote for him in the general election. In the primaries I'm torn between registering as a Republican and voting FOR Ron Paul, or registering as a Democrat and voting AGAINST both Obama and Clinton.
We now live in musical paradise
Sure you do have that right. You will end up arrested if you choose to exercise the right, but it's still your right.
By that logic I have the right to do anything I damned well please. Rape, steal, murder, it's my right.
Any sense of security is a false sense of security. But you know what? I'm as secure as I need to be.
All my DVDs and videotapes were stolen recently. As none of the windows or door locks seem to have been compromised, it was surely an inside job - someone I'd trusted. You remployer likewise is more likely to have the system compromised from the inside than from an outsider breaking into your servers.
Does this mean I shouldn't have locks on my doors? Of course not. But like a corporate IT breakin, the worst part is that I don't know who I can trust, and you can't go through life trusting nobody. It hurts to know that someone I thought was a friend stole from me.
Is the average house secure? Of course not. Even if I had bank vaults for doors, all a burglar would have to do is break a window.
Is the average home computer secure? Yes, the average home computer running Windows is secure. There's nothing there to steal! Most people DON'T keep private info on their computer. If my house were empty I'd have no beed to lock its doors. Spam and child porn? That's your problem, not mine!
Is there anything in town more secure than a bank vault? Hardly; yet banks still get robbed.
A couple of quotes that I shall not attribute, because you've heard them both before:
Anyone who would trade freedom for security deserves neither
Don't lay your treasure on Earth, where thieves can steal it, and dust and moths can corrupt it.
Sound advice. AFAIK my computer's never been broken into, except of course when Sony tricked my daughter into installing a rootkit. I've had my home broken into (not the latest inside job; a door was broken and stereo stolen 30 years ago), but as with Sony and its rootkits, my meatspace losses from fraudulent businessmen and the corporations they run have far exceeded losses from non-corporate thieves. And I've had two chip fans bite the dust.
Secure? There is no such thing. Secure enough? Yes. Most people ARE secure enough.
-mcgrew
Running an unsecured WiFi is not a smart idea
OK, call me stupid but I've seen this sentiment several times here today. WHY is it a dumb idea? If I get wifi I fully intend to leave it open; why be selfish?
Ever heard of the DMCA ?
There are examples from before this 55 year old geezer was ever born. Ever hear of Alcohol Prohibition? No different from present day drug laws, except they had to pass a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw that drug (why didn't they have to amend the Constitution to outlaw reefer)?
When everyone is a criminal, there is no "rule of law." You have reverted to rule by men. I fear the US is already there; I'm a criminal. Thankfully I'm inindicted so far, but I'm vocal. If/when I go to prison you will know I'm a US political prisoner.
It's dangerous to call for the repeal of the unconstitutional drug, prostitution, and gambling laws in this country.
-mcgrew
America will *legislate* itself into the Stone Age. No, terrorists could use rocks as weapons.
Seems to me that since this bill is terrorizing almost everyone at slashdot (except for confirmed, unabashed criminals like me), the terrorists are using legislation as weapons.
-mcgrew
PS- when they start writing respectable laws, I'll start respecting the law.
I just hope this gets stripped down by the courts.
If a McDonalds or Starbucks gets prosecuted it won't have to. They own the government, it will be repealed before you can say "campaign contribution".
The argument is always put that people who sponge free wifi should be prosecuted, under the analogy that leaving your front door open, doesn't mean people are entitled to steal from you.
You can't steal it from me if I'm freely giving it away. An open wifi is not the same as an open front door. The analogy is rediculously stupid.
If a bank robber uses my yard as part of his getaway route I should be prosecuted for not posting a "no tresspassing" sign, even if I don't care if people cut across my yard? WTF??? What country is this anyway, Oceana?
Obama doesn't represent you any more than he represents my hazel-eyed hairy Illinois ass. He represents the bankers and corporations. He has been bought and is OWNED by the bankers. Ironic that he would be the bankers' chattel when none of his black anscestors were slaves. The bankers bankrolled his election to the Senate, and he voted for bankrupcy "reform", the bill that makes you homeless if you declare bankrupcy. That's doing a lot of good for most black people, isn't it?
I think it's stupidly racist and disgusting as hell that black people vote for that damned Obama and every other black candidate based on nothing but the color of his skin. WTF is wrong with people?
-mcgrew
Mr. CONYERS. Mr. Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill (H.R. 3791 ) to modernize and expand the reporting requirements relating to child pornography, to expand cooperation in combating child pornography, and for other purposes, as amended.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The text of the bill is as follows:
H.R. 3791
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online Act of 2007'' or the ``SAFE Act of 2007''.
SEC. 2. REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS AND REMOTE COMPUTING SERVICE PROVIDERS.
(a) In General.--Chapter 110 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2258 the following:
``SEC. 2258A. REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS AND REMOTE COMPUTING SERVICE PROVIDERS.
``(a) Duty To Report.--
``(1) IN GENERAL.--Whoever, while engaged in providing an electronic communication service or a remote computing service to the public through a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, obtains actual knowledge of any facts or circumstances described in paragraph (2) shall, as soon as reasonably possible--
``(A) complete and maintain with current information a registration with the CyberTipline of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or any successor to the CyberTipline operated by such center, by providing the mailing address, telephone number, facsimile number, electronic mail address of, and individual point of contact for, such electronic communication service provider or remote computing service provider; and
``(B) make a report of such facts or circumstances to the CyberTipline, or any successor to the CyberTipline operated by such center.
``(2) FACTS OR CIRCUMSTANCES.--The facts or circumstances described in this paragraph are any facts or circumstances that appear to indicate a violation of--
``(A) section 2251, 2251A, 2252, 2252A, 2252B, or 2260 that involves child pornography; or
``(B) section 1466A.
``(b) Contents of Report.--To the extent available to an electronic communication service provider or a remote computing service provider, each report under subsection (a)(1) shall include the following information:
``(1) INFORMATION ABOUT THE INVOLVED INDIVIDUAL.--Information relating to the Internet identity of any individual who appears to have violated a Federal law in the manner described in subsection (a)(2), which shall, to the extent reasonably practicable, include the electronic mail address, website address, uniform resource locator, or any other identifying information, including self-reported identifying information.
``(2) HISTORICAL REFERENCE.--Information relating to when any apparent child pornography was uploaded, transmitted, reported to, or discovered by the electronic communication service provider or remote computing service provider, as the case may be, including a date and time stamp and time zone.
``(3) GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION INFORMATION.--Information relating to the geographic location of the involved individual, hosting website, or uniform resource locator, which shall include the Internet Protocol Address or verified billing address, or, if not reasonably available, at least one form of geographic identifying information, including area code or zip code. The in
You have to know that someone is downloading CP using your WiFi connection and not report it.
No, they have to ACCUSE YOU of knowing, whether or not you actually knew. How can your knowing be proven, or disproven?
But what do I know? I smoke pot, hire hookers, and play poker with my friends. If they want me to respect the law they're going to have to write respectable laws.
-mcgrew
You misspelled "Republicrat"
You think you have it bad in New York? I live in Illinois! Obama voted for that gift to the bankers who put him in the Senate, the "bankrupcy reform" bill. Before this, bankrupcy let you keep your home and one automobile; I declared bankrupcy after my divorce (one of the leading causes of bankrupcy) and before this bill passed. My elderly friend Ralph discovered that this bill that Obama voted for (I'll bet Hillary did too) would make my 86 year old WWII veteran friend homeless if he declared bankrupcy! Ralph owns his home free and clear.
Well, he DID own it free and clear; he took out a "reverse mortgage". Attention black people: Obama will NOT represent you any more than he represents me or Ralph. He represents bankers and corporations, just like every other Corporate Republicrat Shiteating Dickweed (tm).
-mcgrew
PS- I proudly voted against Obama when he ran for Senate. Sadly, the Libertarian I voted for got even fewer votes than Alan Keyes, Obama's black Republicrat rival who had never stepped foot in Illinois before. And the media wonders why people stay home on election day...
Sir, I take exception to you calling John Walsh and Nick Lampson "whores". That's incredibly insulting to my lady friends.
-mcgrew