That's not AOT, though. AOT code is a first pass compilation of the bytecode to native code. The application still runs in the JVM, but the slow startup is alleviated because that first pass JIT never happens. An optimizing JVM can still work its magic.
Compiling Java to unchecked native code takes away all the point of using Java. "As far as you are concerned" doesn't mean a lot when the OS doesn't actually do what you want it to anyway.
Um. You misunderstand. I have no problem with paying for a license to release the product. I have a serious problem with "you can't even develop a proprietary app without buying a license first".
I disagree with your post here, sir. Readability, more than anything, is critical in modern programming--you don't know how good the next guy who'll have to bash at the code will be. Python seems to encourage terseness and the whitespace requirements help to make it uncomfortable to read.
Compared to Java or C# (C# especially, though that's mostly thanks to the fairly hard-nosed Visual Studio editor defaults that almost everybody sticks to), Python feels extremely difficult to just sit down and read.
Specifically relating to your.NET experience Java is a significantly more mature language than C#. You are more likely to get better performance and stability out of Java's virtual machines just because they've had more time to be beat up by a vast community of developers. M$ did a good job of getting C# out the door but like any child it has some growing up to do.
Rampant bullshit. You'll get somewhat better performance out of HotSpot than the Microsoft or Mono CLRs--not that much better, but definitely better--but in almost seven years of using.NET regularly (I started in March '02), the CLR has not been the cause of a single crash in anything I do. "Good job of getting C# out the door" my ass, you troll, it's been just shy of seven years since its release!
(And if you want to be taken even remotely seriously, drop the childish "M$" crap.)
With a higher level language, there's no fine grained control of memory that can ensure that what's needed really fits in L1 or L2 cache.
And in a modern operating system there's no way to control whether it all ever actually ends up in that cache at the same time (such is probably counterproductive as opposed to demand caching anyway!).
Actually, no. I have a stance on gun control that says I should be able to enjoy the property I have legally purchased. The fact that a friend of mine was hospitalized because he was legally prevented from defending himself just strengthens my stance.
Wait, you honestly think somebody should have to insure themselves against theft of "materialist artifacts"? They should be paying money to somebody else to cover the chance of some shitbreath stealing their belongings? Really? The victim should pay for the acts of the criminal? Amazing.
Unfortunately, none of those arguments are valid when put in the light of the overwhelming evidence coming from other countries that don't have guns.
Really? Strange, I've heard the opposite in enough cases to make me want to be able to continue owning a firearm. Buddy of mine lives outside London and the cops have said on more than one occasion "we really don't have time to pursue assaults, we have to devote resources to homicides." There's little chance of somebody getting caught, his home has been burglarized twice in the last year (he was home the last time, and attacked with a golf club), and he can't own a gun to protect himself. It's pathetic.
Ars Technica was saying that OS X's market share was around 8% in July. Which is pretty significant when you consider that Apple makes the machines as well as the OS.
I dunno, Apple's OS (if you assume it's better; I don't think it's better for me, but it's a nice OS) has done them pretty well. Their market, if not their market share, is pretty damn healthy.
Other than that, I can't entirely disagree--but as far as I see it is that Linux gets polished to a mirror fucking shine, or it sits in the closet with the other desktop failures.
Multiple desktops aren't an "X-like feature". They're simply a feature. The fact that X can do it doesn't make it an "X-like feature", it just makes it a feature that X has--and in no way really makes it a plus toward keeping X. X, as a system, is overwrought, kludgy, and fairly shitful. Good for its original purpose--remote display of applications--kind of shitty for a desktop where the server and clients are on the same box. I mean, hell. Go look into how the nVidia drivers actually work, and tell me that the driver having to replace the lower third of the X architecture can ever be a good thing.
And why would it have a killer app? The vast majority of open source software that's worth a damn has been ported to Windows. Therefore, Linux must be significantly better, in addition to having that "killer app".
Unfortunately, that's not the case. Windows is the gorilla in the room, and about the only time an end user sees anything related to graphics settings is when they see that little ATI Control Panel or whatever (there's even an ATI logo branded onto the tabs in the display settings dialog!). In Linux, that's not the case, so the amorphous "Linux" gets blamed.
Yes, I'm saying that Linux essentially has to be perfect to get users, whereas Windows just has to work. Nobody ever said life was fair.
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That's not AOT, though. AOT code is a first pass compilation of the bytecode to native code. The application still runs in the JVM, but the slow startup is alleviated because that first pass JIT never happens. An optimizing JVM can still work its magic.
Compiling Java to unchecked native code takes away all the point of using Java. "As far as you are concerned" doesn't mean a lot when the OS doesn't actually do what you want it to anyway.
I don't recall saying JSP was a well-built technology. I don't use it.
I use ASP.NET instead, which is quite fast, quite featureful, and very scalable, as opposed to (hurp!) PHP or the like.
So AOT your code to remove the first JIT step and let your optimizing VM (HotSpot or whatever) only JIT when it's doing dynamic recompilation.
I'm pretty sure you can AOT your code for faster startup with most VMs, no?
Spoken like a true anonymous coward.
Um. You misunderstand. I have no problem with paying for a license to release the product. I have a serious problem with "you can't even develop a proprietary app without buying a license first".
I prefer working legally.
I disagree with your post here, sir. Readability, more than anything, is critical in modern programming--you don't know how good the next guy who'll have to bash at the code will be. Python seems to encourage terseness and the whitespace requirements help to make it uncomfortable to read.
Compared to Java or C# (C# especially, though that's mostly thanks to the fairly hard-nosed Visual Studio editor defaults that almost everybody sticks to), Python feels extremely difficult to just sit down and read.
You can do anything with C++.
The question is whether it is smart to do so, and the answer to that is much more frequently "no" than C++ devotees would like you to think.
Every other (modern) language is a derivative of C.
Pascal. Fortran (yes, it's modern, still updated and still in use). Haskell.
And you're stuck GPLing everything or paying for a license before you do any development. Stupid and shitty.
Specifically relating to your .NET experience Java is a significantly more mature language than C#. You are more likely to get better performance and stability out of Java's virtual machines just because they've had more time to be beat up by a vast community of developers. M$ did a good job of getting C# out the door but like any child it has some growing up to do.
Rampant bullshit. You'll get somewhat better performance out of HotSpot than the Microsoft or Mono CLRs--not that much better, but definitely better--but in almost seven years of using .NET regularly (I started in March '02), the CLR has not been the cause of a single crash in anything I do. "Good job of getting C# out the door" my ass, you troll, it's been just shy of seven years since its release!
(And if you want to be taken even remotely seriously, drop the childish "M$" crap.)
Managed code performance is good enough for essentially anything aside from high-performance video games (and even that isn't far off).
"Java is slow" is a stupid old myth. Does it not occur to you that JIT compilers compile to native code?
With a higher level language, there's no fine grained control of memory that can ensure that what's needed really fits in L1 or L2 cache.
And in a modern operating system there's no way to control whether it all ever actually ends up in that cache at the same time (such is probably counterproductive as opposed to demand caching anyway!).
Yeah! I mean, it's only used in the most widely used desktop environment. And it's only leaps and bounds better than the usual drek.
Knee-jerk hatred of anything related to Mono, basically.
Covenants not to sue. 'Nuff said.
Actually, no. I have a stance on gun control that says I should be able to enjoy the property I have legally purchased. The fact that a friend of mine was hospitalized because he was legally prevented from defending himself just strengthens my stance.
So go get cancer and die. :)
Wait, you honestly think somebody should have to insure themselves against theft of "materialist artifacts"? They should be paying money to somebody else to cover the chance of some shitbreath stealing their belongings? Really? The victim should pay for the acts of the criminal? Amazing.
Unfortunately, none of those arguments are valid when put in the light of the overwhelming evidence coming from other countries that don't have guns.
Really? Strange, I've heard the opposite in enough cases to make me want to be able to continue owning a firearm. Buddy of mine lives outside London and the cops have said on more than one occasion "we really don't have time to pursue assaults, we have to devote resources to homicides." There's little chance of somebody getting caught, his home has been burglarized twice in the last year (he was home the last time, and attacked with a golf club), and he can't own a gun to protect himself. It's pathetic.
Ars Technica was saying that OS X's market share was around 8% in July. Which is pretty significant when you consider that Apple makes the machines as well as the OS.
I dunno, Apple's OS (if you assume it's better; I don't think it's better for me, but it's a nice OS) has done them pretty well. Their market, if not their market share, is pretty damn healthy.
Other than that, I can't entirely disagree--but as far as I see it is that Linux gets polished to a mirror fucking shine, or it sits in the closet with the other desktop failures.
Multiple desktops aren't an "X-like feature". They're simply a feature. The fact that X can do it doesn't make it an "X-like feature", it just makes it a feature that X has--and in no way really makes it a plus toward keeping X. X, as a system, is overwrought, kludgy, and fairly shitful. Good for its original purpose--remote display of applications--kind of shitty for a desktop where the server and clients are on the same box. I mean, hell. Go look into how the nVidia drivers actually work, and tell me that the driver having to replace the lower third of the X architecture can ever be a good thing.
And why would it have a killer app? The vast majority of open source software that's worth a damn has been ported to Windows. Therefore, Linux must be significantly better, in addition to having that "killer app".
Unfortunately, that's not the case. Windows is the gorilla in the room, and about the only time an end user sees anything related to graphics settings is when they see that little ATI Control Panel or whatever (there's even an ATI logo branded onto the tabs in the display settings dialog!). In Linux, that's not the case, so the amorphous "Linux" gets blamed.
Yes, I'm saying that Linux essentially has to be perfect to get users, whereas Windows just has to work. Nobody ever said life was fair.