As long as disposal is removed from the cost/benefit analysis, users will never make intelligent decisions.
Your desire to dump waste into the ocean (or anywhere cheap and hidden) simply puts off the cost of that decision until future generations have to contend with it. It is flawed economic reasoning and morally selfish.
The cost of a product should include all phases of it's life-cycle. Unfortunately, because of tax-breaks, subsidies (like using the US military to prop up petro-corps) leave all of us consumers ignorant when it comes time to make a decision at the store.
Let's see nuclear generated electricity compete with solar power on a level playing field. No legislated exemptions from liability, no free fuel from gov't uranium mines, no socialist sharing of disposal costs. In a free market, the cost of dumping YOUR problems into our oceans would be prison.
Where do you derive the moral authority to use a common resource for you own personal enrichment? You wrote about the subduction zone as if you know what's down there and what the actual consequence will be of flooding it with toxic/nuke waste. Perhaps you should have a solution in place to deal with your waste (not dumping it in the ocean) before you run ahead with your next great idea, Smilin' Joe Fisson.
Forgive me for replying to my own post, but I realized that they simply need to add a small deposit to the cost of the disk to ensure return for proper recyc. Or the guys that troll my alley looking for pop cans can have a new revenue stream, degradable DVD deposit returns!
A few municipalities have passed recycling laws that focus on the trash once it's at the curb. Those are foolish. The only way to address this problem is to charge users per can of non-recyc waste while picking up the re-cyc trash for free. This creates the incentive for users to purchase and consume goods (and their packaging) that can go into the recyc bin.
These discs, although plastic, are hardly ready for any existing reuse/recyc processing stream. 99% of them would most likely wind up in the landfill. As taxpayers face increasing fees for landfills, the reality of those costs should be removed from society at large and focused on the users of those landfills.
One problem might me rampant fly-dumping, with people littering the sides of roads with their hefty bags. We'll of course have to raise the offense of littering to a felony and pull some state troopers off drug details to catch criminals who actually harm our society.
I will try to see some of his stand-up because I need to understand this phenomonom. Influential people in the industry? who cares what they think? Influential people in the industry also yanked Norm MacDonald off SNL's Weekend Update and replaced him with Colin Quinn. The sensibilities of a few influential out-of-touch California coke-heads means about as much to me as the choices the programming director at my local Mix96FM radio station makes. If you want a small group of IF's making decisions for you, great, but I prefer the internet and being able to vote bad sketchs off SNL.
Thank you for that post. I've been waiting for someone to simply say that Andy's fans love him just because they think he's funny. In all the gushing commentary about him, one is lead to believe that there was something more to it. If his comedic timing and wit struck your funny-bone, good for you. Perhaps that was his gift, making a heretofore humourless group laugh. Some people thought his characters and jokes were funny, most people did not. As for his style, I have personal friends in my life whose daily puns, ironic insights and plain-old jokes are 10 times funnier then Andy.
I'm glad you told me that you think he's so great because you think he made you squiggle. I still don't see why he is highlighted above and beyond many other more talented comedians (Chris Elliot for one).
Maybe it's an age thing. I'm 33 and I was laughing at G.Carlin, Steve Martin while Ladkte was on ABC with zork getting laughs repeating the same punch line over and over. When I saw Andy wrestling women and running his (repeating now)shallow characters into the ground, I just didn't understand why he was even on TV. I still don't get it, and I've read nothing in any of these posts to explain it.
I'm curious, what do y'all think of Dennis Miller or Chris Rock? These guys make me laugh. Kaufmann just doesn't. I'm all for making fun of Southerners, but isn't that so damn easy. Duh! how about some polish and blond jokes too.
OK, I keep hearing what a groundbreaker Andy was. Someone please remind me (I did watch him on SNL and somehow managed to bear through his lame, shallow Ladtke on Taxi) what did he do that was so new? Ever heard of Don Rickles?
Is this just a case of a segment of the population who grew up with his comedy and knew nothing else? It reminds me of people who think Eddie Murphy invented swearing.
Please, just one example of something he did that was groundbreaking art/entertainment.
Hanging out with wrestlers? I guess we should be praising Cindi Lauper too then, huh?
The attorney mentioned in the NYT article is from Washington, his name is David Banisar. I paid for the full version, so I'd be real interested in any class-action suit. Please post any info you get here. Thanks.
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Your desire to dump waste into the ocean (or anywhere cheap and hidden) simply puts off the cost of that decision until future generations have to contend with it. It is flawed economic reasoning and morally selfish.
The cost of a product should include all phases of it's life-cycle. Unfortunately, because of tax-breaks, subsidies (like using the US military to prop up petro-corps) leave all of us consumers ignorant when it comes time to make a decision at the store.
Let's see nuclear generated electricity compete with solar power on a level playing field. No legislated exemptions from liability, no free fuel from gov't uranium mines, no socialist sharing of disposal costs. In a free market, the cost of dumping YOUR problems into our oceans would be prison.
Where do you derive the moral authority to use a common resource for you own personal enrichment? You wrote about the subduction zone as if you know what's down there and what the actual consequence will be of flooding it with toxic/nuke waste. Perhaps you should have a solution in place to deal with your waste (not dumping it in the ocean) before you run ahead with your next great idea, Smilin' Joe Fisson.
Forgive me for replying to my own post, but I realized that they simply need to add a small deposit to the cost of the disk to ensure return for proper recyc. Or the guys that troll my alley looking for pop cans can have a new revenue stream, degradable DVD deposit returns!
A few municipalities have passed recycling laws that focus on the trash once it's at the curb. Those are foolish.
The only way to address this problem is to charge users per can of non-recyc waste while picking up the re-cyc trash for free. This creates the incentive for users to purchase and consume goods (and their packaging) that can go into the recyc bin.
These discs, although plastic, are hardly ready for any existing reuse/recyc processing stream. 99% of them would most likely wind up in the landfill. As taxpayers face increasing fees for landfills, the reality of those costs should be removed from society at large and focused on the users of those landfills.
One problem might me rampant fly-dumping, with people littering the sides of roads with their hefty bags. We'll of course have to raise the offense of littering to a felony and pull some state troopers off drug details to catch criminals who actually harm our society.
There's a huge difference between making fun of rednecks, and making fun of rednecks to their faces. For Sure!! I want to see that!
I will try to see some of his stand-up because I need to understand this phenomonom. Influential people in the industry? who cares what they think? Influential people in the industry also yanked Norm MacDonald off SNL's Weekend Update and replaced him with Colin Quinn. The sensibilities of a few influential out-of-touch California coke-heads means about as much to me as the choices the programming director at my local Mix96FM radio station makes. If you want a small group of IF's making decisions for you, great, but I prefer the internet and being able to vote bad sketchs off SNL.
Thank you for that post. I've been waiting for someone to simply say that Andy's fans love him just because they think he's funny. In all the gushing commentary about him, one is lead to believe that there was something more to it.
If his comedic timing and wit struck your funny-bone, good for you.
Perhaps that was his gift, making a heretofore humourless group laugh. Some people thought his characters and jokes were funny, most people did not. As for his style, I have personal friends in my life whose daily puns, ironic insights and plain-old jokes are 10 times funnier then Andy.
I'm glad you told me that you think he's so great because you think he made you squiggle. I still don't see why he is highlighted above and beyond many other more talented comedians (Chris Elliot for one).
Maybe it's an age thing. I'm 33 and I was laughing at G.Carlin, Steve Martin while Ladkte was on ABC with zork getting laughs repeating the same punch line over and over. When I saw Andy wrestling women and running his (repeating now)shallow characters into the ground, I just didn't understand why he was even on TV. I still don't get it, and I've read nothing in any of these posts to explain it.
I'm curious, what do y'all think of Dennis Miller or Chris Rock? These guys make me laugh. Kaufmann just doesn't. I'm all for making fun of Southerners, but isn't that so damn easy. Duh! how about some polish and blond jokes too.
OK, I keep hearing what a groundbreaker Andy was. Someone please remind me (I did watch him on SNL and somehow managed to bear through his lame, shallow Ladtke on Taxi) what did he do that was so new? Ever heard of Don Rickles?
Is this just a case of a segment of the population who grew up with his comedy and knew nothing else? It reminds me of people who think Eddie Murphy invented swearing.
Please, just one example of something he did that was groundbreaking art/entertainment.
Hanging out with wrestlers? I guess we should be praising Cindi Lauper too then, huh?
How do you connect to your PC? What type of cable do you use between the MD and your PC? What's xmms?
The attorney mentioned in the NYT article is from Washington, his name is David Banisar. I paid for the full version, so I'd be real interested in any class-action suit. Please post any info you get here. Thanks.