That's funny that you post to a forum that is a YEAR OLD...
That's funny - I thought you wrote:... and you could a few years back (2002)..
As far as I can see, the bug appears to have been fixed in late 2005 (but nvidia don't have a public BTS, so who knows)
You also have to think about this. Why the hell are you trying to run in framebuffer
I love being told that the solution to a problem is to stop using something.
Do you know what framebuffer is? It isn't accelerated.
Thank you captain obvious, some people like working on full screen command line sometimes - I'm one of them. Does it really matter why I want to do it? It's something I can do with every video card not made by ATI or Nvidia.
I do 3D graphics rendering for simulations,
Well - I can see why you like nvidia so much - for that kind of work there's nothing better then linux+nvidia. I don't see why you think it makes them the best in all situations however.
(check my second post for how to get video out and framebuffer working).
No - your post was svideo & no framebuffer. It appears (now the bug I was complaining about is fixed) that all you have to do to get framebuffer is to compile it into the kernel.
I've used nVidia card on 64 bit chips (intel, amd) and 32 bit chips (intel, amd) no problems. Again I don't know what your problem is.
Oh right, cool, it works on all the platforms you want to use - anyone who wants to use other platforms is just crazy!
Probably just that you are, as you say, a "whiny mac fanboy"
You've done nothing but attack me since I posted - I hope nvidia rewards you well for your grass roots activism.
I'm not dutch - I said I live in the netherlands (over half the people who live in Rotterdam are non dutch, I think the proportion is even higher in Amsterdam)
dedicated to hating of all things an operating system.
Nope, I actually do really like Macs and OS X. Try again.
Oh - and I am white (you got one thing right), but I am not a christian.
What other platform? Apple? Yes they support Macs. But I can't personally attest to anything on mac because, quite frankly, OSX is inferior to both Linux and Windows on a technical level.
*Snort* You don't know what a platform is do you? You can run linux on Apples (PPC or whatever), as well as IA64, AMD64, etc etc.
Is nvidia supported on them?
And yes you can run AGP + fb and switch between X and console just fine with the current driver... and you could a few years back (2002)...
People are reporting problems still. Nvidia is unresponsive.
I'm sorry if you can't configure an xorg.conf/XFree86.conf file.
Hahahaha Cute. And you actually accused me of trolling. xorg.conf/XFree86.conf files have nothing to do with framebuffers.
DAEMON Tools is currently being developed and distributed by DAEMON's Home and is free for non-commercial purposes. Version 4 of DAEMON Tools is bundled with WhenU software, which is spyware.
This only happened recently (4.x series), but I think it was longer then four months ago.
2. It uninstalls in exactly the same way as every other Windows application - via Add/Remove programs.
Yes, but I had an image mounted (under a different user) & it did not uninstall correctly, but removed itself from the Add/Remove programs list. I eventually had to reghack & delete the binaries to get rid of it.
3. It creates a virtual CD-drive and mounts the image under each one. You can have up to 4.
Yes, I know. Thats why I said You have a limited number of ISOs you can have mounted. I need up to twelve.
4. I've never heard of these rumours, so I can't really comment. I do know I've been using it for the last 4 or 5 years without any spyware, adware, trojans, etc.
Yes, its only in the 4.x series (and you don't have to install it, but I don't trust a company that bundles whenU)
OS X can mount ISO's out of the box. Perhaps Nautilus should include the ISO mounting script with their distro.
1) Nautilus is not a distro. 2) All linux distros can mount ISOs out of the box 3) The Nautilus script is a pretty front end to mount, just like OS X (presumably) has a pretty front end to hdiutil (I'm not near a mac machine so I can't check) 4) Thanks for piping up about OS X in a discussion comparing linux to windows! Perhaps you deserve my username more then I do?
1) You seem to have missed one 'blow' - namely across all platforms
2) I am aware they all that functionality exists in the closed driver - it did three years ago (when I last had a Nvidia product). But they do not all work together (try having AGP & framebuffer support & switching between X and the console a few times).
And yes - I should have made point two clearer in my original post.
The most useful feature of Nautilus is the scripts functionality, so simple & elegant.
I have a lot of iso cdrom images, that I use occasionally - I popped the iso mount script in my ~/.gnome/nautilus-scripts & off I went, merilly mounting & using iso files.
I looked for equivilant functionality under windows recently & just couldn't find it - this microsoft app wouldn't mount (map, whatever you whacky windows guys call it) lots of my isos, rar was nagware (and required you to extract, rather then giving you a virtual drive), nero's expensive, etc etc.
Anyway, back on topic - go download Nautilus scripts from g-script they've got loads of scripts, which solve a lot of problems in a very unixy way. All in all, handy.
nVidia's linux drivers are very solid. They aren't open - get over it - but a given nVidia card in a Linux box has the capability to do everything that a nVidia card in a windows box can do.
So goddamn what? Here's a cluestick for you - Linux can do a helluva lot more then windows. When nvidia's driver supports accelerated 3d, framebuffer, 2d & video out, across all platforms I might be impressed.
But if coding is mathematics, please tell me were logic goes. And don't tell me it's part of mathematics.
The basis of how computers work is boolean logic. Its maths. If you don't understand it, you don't understand what's happenning underneath your program.
I'm not saying you can't hold your own against all the other java programmers you work with (I also don't have a formal IT education). But to _really_ be a top programmer, you have to understand how things ultimately work (especially when you're debugging)
If you were, you'd know that coding typically has very little to do with mathematics.
Ouch. This proves my point precisely.
I'm guessing you did software developement or similar at University? If you'd done Computer Science (or paid attention) you would know that coding IS mathematics
Sure - there's enough layers of abstraction these days that you can get away with faking it - but to be one of top programmers, to truly understand algorithms, you have to undestand mathematics.
Sorry, that's an assumption you read into my post.
Nope. If your going to make statements like:
I would like to point out that the percentage of gay males exhibiting symptoms of AIDS is greater than 57% discounting IV drug usage and gay sex+drug usage.
instead of:
I would like to point out that the percentage of gay males in the US exhibiting symptoms of AIDS is greater than 57% discounting IV drug usage and gay sex+drug usage.
Then you must back up your statements with worldwide statistics, rather then US-only statistics.
And yes, we've strayed far offtopic, but I have to correct inaccurate statements like your original one when I see them.
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Odd that your motto is apparently "stop the whine," but I hear a terrific amount of high-pitched squealing coming from your direction.
Well, my sig (we adults call those 'mottos' sigs) actually relates to the whine that comes from macbook pros.
However - you're quite right - my motto is "Stop the Whine" and its working really, really well. The whiners are being modded up far less frequently.
In fact I would say that my mission here on slashdot is 50% complete - not too bad hey? After only a month!
Well said.
The acceptance of proprietary video cards by some 'members' of the linux community was a sad day.
That's funny that you post to a forum that is a YEAR OLD...
... and you could a few years back (2002)..
That's funny - I thought you wrote:
As far as I can see, the bug appears to have been fixed in late 2005 (but nvidia don't have a public BTS, so who knows)
You also have to think about this. Why the hell are you trying to run in framebuffer
I love being told that the solution to a problem is to stop using something.
Do you know what framebuffer is? It isn't accelerated.
Thank you captain obvious, some people like working on full screen command line sometimes - I'm one of them. Does it really matter why I want to do it? It's something I can do with every video card not made by ATI or Nvidia.
I do 3D graphics rendering for simulations,
Well - I can see why you like nvidia so much - for that kind of work there's nothing better then linux+nvidia. I don't see why you think it makes them the best in all situations however.
(check my second post for how to get video out and framebuffer working).
No - your post was svideo & no framebuffer. It appears (now the bug I was complaining about is fixed) that all you have to do to get framebuffer is to compile it into the kernel.
I've used nVidia card on 64 bit chips (intel, amd) and 32 bit chips (intel, amd) no problems. Again I don't know what your problem is.
Oh right, cool, it works on all the platforms you want to use - anyone who wants to use other platforms is just crazy!
Probably just that you are, as you say, a "whiny mac fanboy"
You've done nothing but attack me since I posted - I hope nvidia rewards you well for your grass roots activism.
hahahaha :-)
I'm not dutch - I said I live in the netherlands (over half the people who live in Rotterdam are non dutch, I think the proportion is even higher in Amsterdam)
dedicated to hating of all things an operating system.
Nope, I actually do really like Macs and OS X. Try again.
Oh - and I am white (you got one thing right), but I am not a christian.
Whoops - I meant to include a link to someone with framebuffer problems.
I repeat here folks - if you want to use linux to its full capabilities DO NOT BUY NVIDIA OR ATI
If you want to have fast 3d in X & are happy with bugs elswhere, follow evershill's advice.
What other platform? Apple? Yes they support Macs. But I can't personally attest to anything on mac because, quite frankly, OSX is inferior to both Linux and Windows on a technical level.
... and you could a few years back (2002)...
*Snort* You don't know what a platform is do you? You can run linux on Apples (PPC or whatever), as well as IA64, AMD64, etc etc.
Is nvidia supported on them?
And yes you can run AGP + fb and switch between X and console just fine with the current driver
People are reporting problems still. Nvidia is unresponsive.
I'm sorry if you can't configure an xorg.conf/XFree86.conf file.
Hahahaha Cute. And you actually accused me of trolling. xorg.conf/XFree86.conf files have nothing to do with framebuffers.
PS. Don't try to troll me with anti-osx jibes, I don't care at all
Oh - that does look cool
:-) Cheers for the link!
I hope it makes it into 2.16 too
I've pretty much answered your rebuttal already (as your points are identical to another poster). But anyway:
1) no it does not. Unless you downloaded it from an unofficial site. (Official site: here [daemon-tools.cc]
Incorrect - see the official site you linked to (try searching for whenu
2) use the control panel. I used it for 1 day at work to install Microsoft SDK and it removed cleanly
Oh? The control panel. Thanks for that - I would never have thought of that.
3) Limited by the operating system (IIRC). I know I've had at least 4 going at once
*sighs* no - limited by daemon tools to four.
4) None whatsoever
Depends on whether you think whenU is spyware or not.
Indeed, it is simple - but I never reccommend software that comes bundled with 'opt out' spyware. It may not stay opt out forever.
The adware in deamon tools is opt-in volountary last I had seen it.
No - its included by default - you have to opt-out
Quoting from wikipedia: This only happened recently (4.x series), but I think it was longer then four months ago.
2. It uninstalls in exactly the same way as every other Windows application - via Add/Remove programs.
Yes, but I had an image mounted (under a different user) & it did not uninstall correctly, but removed itself from the Add/Remove programs list. I eventually had to reghack & delete the binaries to get rid of it.
3. It creates a virtual CD-drive and mounts the image under each one. You can have up to 4.
Yes, I know. Thats why I said You have a limited number of ISOs you can have mounted. I need up to twelve.
4. I've never heard of these rumours, so I can't really comment. I do know I've been using it for the last 4 or 5 years without any spyware, adware, trojans, etc.
Yes, its only in the 4.x series (and you don't have to install it, but I don't trust a company that bundles whenU)
OS X can mount ISO's out of the box. Perhaps Nautilus should include the ISO mounting script with their distro.
1) Nautilus is not a distro.
2) All linux distros can mount ISOs out of the box
3) The Nautilus script is a pretty front end to mount, just like OS X (presumably) has a pretty front end to hdiutil (I'm not near a mac machine so I can't check)
4) Thanks for piping up about OS X in a discussion comparing linux to windows! Perhaps you deserve my username more then I do?
Only by the people who consider themselves Singaporean-American. The majority of the country would just consider them Asian.
Well they're (probably - there are some european & african singaporeans) both!
Daemon Tools is what you're looking for, for mounting ISOs in windows.
I tried Daemon Tools - but didn't like it because:
1) It bundles ad-ware.
2) It's hard to uninstall.
3) You have a limited number of ISOs you can have mounted.
4) There's rumours of spyware
(and frankly the fourth one applies to virtual all closed source software that doesn't come from MS or Apple).
No, it can't. Perhaps it could, but that's like saying GIMP could do a helluva lot more than Photoshop. if only someone programmed and released it.
No, you misunderstood the point of my post.
Windows runs on one platform. Linux on Many.
Windows has one GDI. Linux lets you swap between the framebuffer & X.
That's two examples of things linux can do that windows can't. They're also three things Nvidia doesn't (fully) support (but other graphics cards do)
Would you prefered it if there was no driver at all?
Yes.
Blow by blow:
1) You seem to have missed one 'blow' - namely across all platforms
2) I am aware they all that functionality exists in the closed driver - it did three years ago (when I last had a Nvidia product). But they do not all work together (try having AGP & framebuffer support & switching between X and the console a few times).
And yes - I should have made point two clearer in my original post.
The most useful feature of Nautilus is the scripts functionality, so simple & elegant.
I have a lot of iso cdrom images, that I use occasionally - I popped the iso mount script in my ~/.gnome/nautilus-scripts & off I went, merilly mounting & using iso files.
I looked for equivilant functionality under windows recently & just couldn't find it - this microsoft app wouldn't mount (map, whatever you whacky windows guys call it) lots of my isos, rar was nagware (and required you to extract, rather then giving you a virtual drive), nero's expensive, etc etc.
Anyway, back on topic - go download Nautilus scripts from g-script they've got loads of scripts, which solve a lot of problems in a very unixy way. All in all, handy.
nVidia's linux drivers are very solid. They aren't open - get over it - but a given nVidia card in a Linux box has the capability to do everything that a nVidia card in a windows box can do.
So goddamn what? Here's a cluestick for you - Linux can do a helluva lot more then windows. When nvidia's driver supports accelerated 3d, framebuffer, 2d & video out, across all platforms I might be impressed.
At the moment however, I'd rather suck down crappy unichrome chipsets over the offerings from ATI or Nvidia. At least they have Open Source Drivers
I'm dutch you know.
Gezellig - I live in the netherlands.
But if coding is mathematics, please tell me were logic goes. And don't tell me it's part of mathematics.
The basis of how computers work is boolean logic. Its maths. If you don't understand it, you don't understand what's happenning underneath your program.
I'm not saying you can't hold your own against all the other java programmers you work with (I also don't have a formal IT education). But to _really_ be a top programmer, you have to understand how things ultimately work (especially when you're debugging)
Gah. You got a computer, how hard is it to start "calc.exe"?
American High School Graduate: What? calc....dot what did you say? How do I start that? Computers are for running google on aren't they?
Aaah, I presume you're referring to my misspelling?
I can assure you however, that the term Singaporean-American. is used in American.
That's fine - you go ahead & continue thinking America=The World.
I will have to correct you when you make global statements that are incorrect however.
I'm perfectly willing to accept that I missed something while reading...
No - you're entirely correct. I misread that sentence. Thanks for pointing that out.
However, with a Singaporian father who's a statistics professor, I think they probably got a better-then-usual mathematics education.
If you were, you'd know that coding typically has very little to do with mathematics.
Ouch. This proves my point precisely.
I'm guessing you did software developement or similar at University? If you'd done Computer Science (or paid attention) you would know that coding IS mathematics
Sure - there's enough layers of abstraction these days that you can get away with faking it - but to be one of top programmers, to truly understand algorithms, you have to undestand mathematics.
Nope. If your going to make statements like:instead of:Then you must back up your statements with worldwide statistics, rather then US-only statistics.
And yes, we've strayed far offtopic, but I have to correct inaccurate statements like your original one when I see them.