for example, if the majority of the population has had the vaccine that imparts a herd immunity to the disease, since no one is getting sick there isn't anyone to pass on the item that is being vaccinated against. in this case it makes sense not to be vaccinated because then you don't have to risk the negative side effects, or the possibility catching the disease from the vaccine.
You don't know that, though. If everybody thinks like that, then everybody thinks that enough have gotten the vaccine, so they don't get it, and then not enough people have been vaccinated.
No, your idea is retarded. "Life is dangerous, so why don't we get rid of these things that make it less dangerous for everyone?"
And no, "choosing to get vaccinated" doesn't work either, because the entire point of vaccination is that enough of the population is supposed to get the vaccine and have it take so the bug doesn't get a chance to take hold.
People like you who drone on about "choice" are not only completely stupid, but you are very fucking dangerous. If you don't wish to be vaccinated, then leave the country.
2) If the odds of getting measles is less than 1 in 1000, and the most negative affects (death) are at 1 in 1000, then NOT getting the shot puts you at 1 in 1,000,000 chance of death. Just like getting the effing shot in the first place.
Conveniently ignoring all of the other stuff he mentioned, which has higher occurring rates when you get the measles. Not to mention ignoring the fact that as immunization goes down, rates of infection go up, meaning that the rates of negative effects go up.
3) Why not let the measles run a little wild and see if "the market" or whoever can find some solutions to that. Make this a win-win-win.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WIN in any of that. Except maybe for a pharma company executive. It is completely lose for everybody else. Of course, anyone who describes the "free market" as win-win typically only care about that scenario.
But unlike Rick Perry, I am opposed to FORCED vaccination by the government.
Not your choice. You don't have the right to put other people's children in danger. You want to participate in society? You get the goddamned shot.
Dude, do you honestly think it's only Apple that's doing this? Do you honestly think that none of the other computer manufacturers are doing the exact same fucking thing?
Yes, wer'e all powerless to be informed consumers. All we can do is give companies money for shiny things and leave the consequences up to others. Its clearly unpossible for tech companies to move manufacturing to countries with regulations or to just not act like asses when they set up their foreign subsidiaries.
Know where I can get a laptop that wasn't mostly made in the third world?
No, it's legalized bribery, straight up. We might have an EPA, but like all regulatory agencies since Reagan, they've been gutted, had their budgets decimated, and became headed by industry assholes who don't want to do anything.
Yes, all of them are like that. At least all of them that make electronics. The only way to "vote with your wallet" would be to have no electronics at all.
Have you bought any electronics product in the past 20 years? Then you are guilty of the exact same thing.
Don't try to fool yourself into thinking this is just Apple. They only mentioned Apple because they're the biggest, name wise. Every other company does the same thing.
Consumers are Businesses, and Businesses are consumers . YOU are both.
I call bullshit. This is that same shitty thinking that leads to the idea that, there doesn't need to be any regulations on business, because they'd be completely willing to police themselves. Despite several decades of history proving the exact opposite.
But, of course, you and I both know that won't happen, which is why you want to prohibit people from buying from companies you don't like.
Care to point out where he said that? He doesn't want to stop anyone from buying those products in the least. He just wants companies that manufacture them to actually do so without polluting the shit out of China and abusing their workers.
By saying they should be able to do that, you're basically advocating for liberty for the very rich, at the expense of the 3rd world poor.
Wow, you went full retard with that one, didn't you?
Again, you have NO RIGHT to make a private citizen listen to you. Your contrived example doesn't work, as that's not a citizen expressing their right to speech. Not to mention that just because you might not choose to listen to what the laws are, that doesn't mean you aren't bound by them. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
First, willful failure to pay US federal taxes is a federal felony. Not so with private debt. This is a really big thing to get wrong.
I fail to see much difference, as when you owe a private debt, they're either going to bring criminal charges of theft against you, or they are going to bring the court system into it for breach of contract.
Debt is fixed, taxes are open-ended.
Wow, you couldn't have put that more backwards if you tried. You even contradicted it in your previous sentence, when you said that debt is limited only by what you spend. In contrast, taxes are proportional to what you owe, meaning they are pretty limited.
That's another similarity with theft and extortion which depends on what is there to steal.
Only if you're stupid enough to make that comparison.
Ummm, and what's so bad about that? That should be the case. The peoples' right to "self-govern" should like any potential form of tyranny stop when it starts imposing on my rights beyond the minimum necessary for a civil society. So sure, have punishment for rape and murder. Don't have punishment because I don't pay into the latest pension fund scam (Social Security in the case of the US).
And there's NO EVIDENCE OF THAT HAPPENING. Seriously, people like you are completely fucked in the head, and extremely selfish to boot. "Oh, look at me, I'm special! I'm better than everyone else, so I don't have to follow the rules!"
And in case you forgot, YOU AGREED TO PAY INTO THAT PENSION FUND. You agreed to follow the rules by continuing to live here. Had you not, then you would not be welcomed here.
I dunno. The other side of the coin is that if China doesn't start cracking down on IP violations, the businesses that send all that work over there are gonna start looking elsewhere. Hell, some of them already are.
No, and your entire premise is retarded. Taxes are not theft, and they are not "extorted". There is no more force used to collect taxes than there is to collect any other debt or enforce any other law. By repeating this stupid and ridiculous line, you are saying that no laws should ever apply to you, because you're "special", and apparently you can trump a people's right to self govern.
This is like a doctor refusing to perform a life-saving operation because you don't have insurance.
Which is how things work in the privatized system. You really want to extend that to more areas of life?
I hope the man and his family sue the fire department, all of its employees, and most especially the fire chief for deliberate and malicious dereliction of duty.
Because he decided of his own free will he didn't want to pay the fee when asked, and he only decided he'd be willing to when it was too late?
According to privatization and the "Free Market", he got what he deserved.
Good business would have been to show up, tell the guy he didn't pay for the fire protection, and give him a dollar figure he would need to cough up before they would put out the fire
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for example, if the majority of the population has had the vaccine that imparts a herd immunity to the disease, since no one is getting sick there isn't anyone to pass on the item that is being vaccinated against. in this case it makes sense not to be vaccinated because then you don't have to risk the negative side effects, or the possibility catching the disease from the vaccine.
You don't know that, though. If everybody thinks like that, then everybody thinks that enough have gotten the vaccine, so they don't get it, and then not enough people have been vaccinated.
No, your idea is retarded. "Life is dangerous, so why don't we get rid of these things that make it less dangerous for everyone?"
And no, "choosing to get vaccinated" doesn't work either, because the entire point of vaccination is that enough of the population is supposed to get the vaccine and have it take so the bug doesn't get a chance to take hold.
People like you who drone on about "choice" are not only completely stupid, but you are very fucking dangerous. If you don't wish to be vaccinated, then leave the country.
2) If the odds of getting measles is less than 1 in 1000, and the most negative affects (death) are at 1 in 1000, then NOT getting the shot puts you at 1 in 1,000,000 chance of death. Just like getting the effing shot in the first place.
Conveniently ignoring all of the other stuff he mentioned, which has higher occurring rates when you get the measles. Not to mention ignoring the fact that as immunization goes down, rates of infection go up, meaning that the rates of negative effects go up.
3) Why not let the measles run a little wild and see if "the market" or whoever can find some solutions to that. Make this a win-win-win.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WIN in any of that. Except maybe for a pharma company executive. It is completely lose for everybody else. Of course, anyone who describes the "free market" as win-win typically only care about that scenario.
But unlike Rick Perry, I am opposed to FORCED vaccination by the government.
Not your choice. You don't have the right to put other people's children in danger. You want to participate in society? You get the goddamned shot.
Dude, do you honestly think it's only Apple that's doing this? Do you honestly think that none of the other computer manufacturers are doing the exact same fucking thing?
They went after Apple because they're the biggest, and most visible. That's it. Nothing that Apple is doing that nobody else is doing.
Yes, wer'e all powerless to be informed consumers. All we can do is give companies money for shiny things and leave the consequences up to others. Its clearly unpossible for tech companies to move manufacturing to countries with regulations or to just not act like asses when they set up their foreign subsidiaries.
Know where I can get a laptop that wasn't mostly made in the third world?
No, it's legalized bribery, straight up. We might have an EPA, but like all regulatory agencies since Reagan, they've been gutted, had their budgets decimated, and became headed by industry assholes who don't want to do anything.
We don't manufacture anything in North America anymore because we have environmental regulations that cost billions of dollars to comply with
Because things would be so much better if our country looked like China's?
Yes, all of them are like that. At least all of them that make electronics. The only way to "vote with your wallet" would be to have no electronics at all.
Have you bought any electronics product in the past 20 years? Then you are guilty of the exact same thing.
Don't try to fool yourself into thinking this is just Apple. They only mentioned Apple because they're the biggest, name wise. Every other company does the same thing.
Probably because consumers don't have any fucking money, and thus are forced to buy the cheap crap.
Care to point out when the US made iPad was offered?
Consumers are Businesses, and Businesses are consumers . YOU are both.
I call bullshit. This is that same shitty thinking that leads to the idea that, there doesn't need to be any regulations on business, because they'd be completely willing to police themselves. Despite several decades of history proving the exact opposite.
But, of course, you and I both know that won't happen, which is why you want to prohibit people from buying from companies you don't like.
Care to point out where he said that? He doesn't want to stop anyone from buying those products in the least. He just wants companies that manufacture them to actually do so without polluting the shit out of China and abusing their workers.
By saying they should be able to do that, you're basically advocating for liberty for the very rich, at the expense of the 3rd world poor.
Wow, you went full retard with that one, didn't you?
Again, you have NO RIGHT to make a private citizen listen to you. Your contrived example doesn't work, as that's not a citizen expressing their right to speech. Not to mention that just because you might not choose to listen to what the laws are, that doesn't mean you aren't bound by them. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
First, willful failure to pay US federal taxes is a federal felony. Not so with private debt. This is a really big thing to get wrong.
I fail to see much difference, as when you owe a private debt, they're either going to bring criminal charges of theft against you, or they are going to bring the court system into it for breach of contract.
Debt is fixed, taxes are open-ended.
Wow, you couldn't have put that more backwards if you tried. You even contradicted it in your previous sentence, when you said that debt is limited only by what you spend. In contrast, taxes are proportional to what you owe, meaning they are pretty limited.
That's another similarity with theft and extortion which depends on what is there to steal.
Only if you're stupid enough to make that comparison.
Ummm, and what's so bad about that? That should be the case. The peoples' right to "self-govern" should like any potential form of tyranny stop when it starts imposing on my rights beyond the minimum necessary for a civil society. So sure, have punishment for rape and murder. Don't have punishment because I don't pay into the latest pension fund scam (Social Security in the case of the US).
And there's NO EVIDENCE OF THAT HAPPENING. Seriously, people like you are completely fucked in the head, and extremely selfish to boot. "Oh, look at me, I'm special! I'm better than everyone else, so I don't have to follow the rules!"
And in case you forgot, YOU AGREED TO PAY INTO THAT PENSION FUND. You agreed to follow the rules by continuing to live here. Had you not, then you would not be welcomed here.
If you didn't notice, I was arguing AGAINST privatization.
As soon as they win a case in China and force some company to pay (good luck assholes) I hope they see their software fall out of favor very quickly.
Yeah, those assholes! How dare they expect to be compensated for their hard work! They should just be giving it to anyone, for free!
Seriously, your post reeks of entitlement issues. "What? You're actually expecting me to pay for the stuff I use!?!? The nerve!"
I dunno. The other side of the coin is that if China doesn't start cracking down on IP violations, the businesses that send all that work over there are gonna start looking elsewhere. Hell, some of them already are.
Tell me, why should it be more ok for small businesses to pirate their software?
Many of the victims of the BSA aren't people who maliciously copied software - they're people who paid for it, then lost the docket.
I'm sorry, but that's their fault. They knew they had to keep track of these things.
No, and your entire premise is retarded. Taxes are not theft, and they are not "extorted". There is no more force used to collect taxes than there is to collect any other debt or enforce any other law. By repeating this stupid and ridiculous line, you are saying that no laws should ever apply to you, because you're "special", and apparently you can trump a people's right to self govern.
This is like a doctor refusing to perform a life-saving operation because you don't have insurance.
Which is how things work in the privatized system. You really want to extend that to more areas of life?
I hope the man and his family sue the fire department, all of its employees, and most especially the fire chief for deliberate and malicious dereliction of duty.
Because he decided of his own free will he didn't want to pay the fee when asked, and he only decided he'd be willing to when it was too late?
According to privatization and the "Free Market", he got what he deserved.
Good business would have been to show up, tell the guy he didn't pay for the fire protection, and give him a dollar figure he would need to cough up before they would put out the fire
You mean extortion?
It was an implied agreement. Like it or not, when you move into an area, you agree to follow their rules. One of those rules is taxation.