I think the reason you were modded troll is that it would have taken you a shorter amount of time to actually look up what A0 is and realise that you were wrong and it's not defined purely in terms of area than it took you to actually type your post...
(If you're interested, A0 is defined by area 1m^2, ratio of sides 1:sqrt(2). The reason for this is that that's the only ratio such that when you cut the paper in two you get two pieces of paper with the same ratio, which means that A1, A2, A3... etc. all have the same aspect ratio as A0 and are half, a quarter, and an eighth... respectively of it in size.)
Since there is no _F_ile menu, the alt+F is not a shortcut to any visible UI element. It may not stand for anything much any more, but that doesn't mean you lose the visual cues of the F in File -- have a look at this screenshot of what happens when you press alt; it gives you the visual cues.
And what about localized versions? It wasn't always alt+F in all languages. I've never used them, but I imagine the localised versions will have the same keyboard shortcut they did in previous versions of office. Since, as you say, there's nothing markedly 'f'ish about the office menu, there'd be no reason for them to break the muscle memory of people used to pressing alt+whatever for file menu/office menu commands.
which makes them useful only as long as you remember what you used in a previous version of Office Not really. If you don't remember what you used in a previous version of office, you use the new ones. Have a look at this screenshot of what happens when you press 'alt'-- the little letters on top of the tabs represent the key you can press to switch to that tab, upon which you get this. Sure, Alt+F doesn't make a vast amount of sense for the office menu; it's probably that because that's what everyone already knows; but alt+H for the Home tab etc. make sense. And of course, if you do still want to use the old ones (e.g. alt+e for edit menu) rather than the new ones, they still work; and if you don't remember the old ones, use the new ones.
I think its wonderful that anyone who does anything so blatently against the Slashdot mentality as -- *gasp!* -- do actual research, post actual facts or information, or even, heniously, provide links to the object of discussion in order to actually help people (strange concept, I know) is automatically accused of being some kind of shill. Clearly, noone in the entire universe who isn't in the pay of Microsoft would have any reason to do anything but post endless "M$ 5ux0rs" messages!
In any case, I fully apologise for trying to help you. Clearly, what you actually wanted me to do was go along with your comfortingly distorted vision of reality and agree with you that the utility isn't out yet, probably posting some variation of "Nothing you can do, M$ Sucks, use Linux instead!". I should have realised that, and apologise for thinking that you have any inclination at all to face reality.
(Incidnentally, it is highly amusing for me that you think I am employed by Microsoft; I am not, but then, by your logic, *anyone* willing to actually either help someone or do any sort of research whatsoever is in the employment of Microsoft, so go figure...)
I don't really see that alt-f-a takes *that* much more time than ctrl+shift+s; they're both 3 keystrokes. Besides, if you really want to set up ctrl+shift+s to do save as, you can; it's not exactly difficult.
I think you're just making things up as you go along, because the keyboard train for 'save as' in Office 2007 is exactly the same as in the previous version of Office; alt+f+a. 'Alt+f' opens the office menu, 'a' selects Save As. All the keyboard shortcuts work exactly the same as before (they've even added some new ones, as well).
you say I should rest easy, because Microsoft assures me that a downloadable add-on, which they will make available, will integrate perfectly with their old software, making it unnecessary for me to buy their new software.
Really?
This is the assurance that is intended to alleviate any fear, uncertainties or doubts?
Really? It's not "an assurance" that they *might* make one available -- as I said in my post, there is one currently available. The direct download link is http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/2/2/9222d 67f-7630-4f49-bd26-476b51517fc1/FileFormatConverte rs.exe . If you're really that concerned about how it integrates with old versions of Office, download it and try it out. But then, I suppose it would take more effort to do that than sit around and moan about how it "might" not integrate...
Really? So my macro that creates a new top level menu in Word will still work? Where will it go without a menubar to be placed on?
It's a legitimate question. Text does not communicate emotion well. I interpreted the above question as a rhetorical one, in effect stating that macros could not possibly work in all instances because one that creates a new top level menu could not work without a menubar on which to place it. This impression was mainly due to the initial "really?", which to my mind implied a doubtful, sneering 'tone of voice'. Of course, I could very well have been wrong; and if this was so, I of course freely withdraw my 'research' comment and apologise unconditionally.
If you've got fuzzy red shadows, it's possible that cleartype is assuming your LCD monitor is RGB when it's actually BGR, which would make cleartype completely fall apart, and give serious colour banding. Download this demo and see which rendering mode eliminates the colour banding.
Regarding the menu font (Segoe UI), if there's really no place in Office 2007 to change it, you could always edit the registry to return, say, Tahoma when the system calls Segoe.
Try putting this in a text file, renaming it to something.reg, and merging it:
DISCLAIMER: I haven't tried this, I've no idea whether it will work, not work, or cause your system to spontaneously implode. Make a system restore point and back up your registry before doing this!
Just imagine trying to explain to everyone in your company about "Save As Office 2003 format," Yeah, you could do that. Or the IT department could just make it the default on all new installations. Or you could even just install the free "Microsoft Office File Formats Compatibility Pack" that you can download from office.microsoft.com that gives you the ability to read and write to the office 2007 file formats from Office 2000, XP, and 2003.
But, you know, any of those options would require competence. Or at least the ability to read TFA.
So, just like with the previous new versions, all of you with the "obsolete" version (say, Office 2003) won't be able to open the memo that the PHB just composed and sent out on his Shiny New Computer that came with Office 2007 pre-loaded. So, everybody has to "upgrade" to Office 2007, and buy new computers to run it. The paragraph directly below the one you quoted in TFA mentions that the free "Microsoft Office File Formats Compatibility Pack" that you can download from office.microsoft.com that gives you the ability to read and write to the office 2007 file formats from Office 2000, XP, and 2003. Since I fail to see how it is possible to see one paragraph and not the one directly below it, I can only conclude that you are deliberately selectively quoting in order to spread FUD.
I use excel without touching the mouse--all keystrokes that go through the menus (alt-em, alt-es alt-v, etc). This would be a disaster for me. I'm probably going to get modded redundant for this, since this is around the 4th time I've posted the same thing, but all the keyboard shortcuts, including the alt+ shortcuts work exactly the same way in Office 2007 as in previous versions. If you rely on the visual cues form the menus, there are visual cues too -- when you press alt, this sort of thing appears, and you press the corresponding key. In fact, keyboard navigation's even been improved, because *all* commands now have alt keyboard shortcuts -- though, for commands that already had them, the key sequence is unchanged.
But don't let facts get in the way of a little FUD.
From what I've read, the new fonts are designed to work best on an LCD monitor which, with cleartype turned on, will enable the sub-pixel font rendering for which the fonts are apparently optimised. I should clarify, that was talking about the new Vista font, Segoe UI, which is what I assume you were talking about -- but since this whole thread is about Office 2007, maybe you confused the two and by "the new Vista font" actually meant the new Office 2007 fonts (the C... fonts)? Vista != Office 2007. Could you clarify which one you meant?
all one has to do is hover the mouse over the "button" that activates the option You don't even need to do that; just press 'alt' like before (see here for a screenshot of what appears)
Yes, there is. All the old keyboard shortcuts still work, including all the alt+ ones; and lots more have been added. When you press alt, this sort of thing appears; and you press the corresponding key. Apparently, it works really well.
I apologize for not having access to the actual software to use before its release. It's been available to try on the internet for months -- both as a beta download and, if you don't want to waste the download bandwidth, you can try it out for free, online (n.b. preceding link only works in IE due to the use of ActiveX to give a Citrix environment, which I think is not too unreasonable -- imagine trying to code the whole Office 2007 UI in AJAX!)
Just out of interest, from that post I'm guessing from that that you use a CRT monitor, right?
From what I've read, the new fonts are designed to work best on an LCD monitor which, with cleartype turned on, will enable the sub-pixel font rendering for which the fonts are apparently optimised. You can change the font if you don't like it; you know how to do that, right?
How much screen space does this new, giant, non-customizable ribbon consume? 5 vertical pixels less than Office 2003 out of the box.
Considering it shows lots of items one, ok I, don't really need to see all the time You don't have to; you can minimize it.
But don't let facts and reality put you off your FUD campaign.
Did the situation occur in a mental hospital, or were the users you're talking about just mildly retarded? He referred to a university; so almost certainly the latter...
I don't see how they're removing its simplicity. The interface is way simpler than the old one -- instead of everything either buried in 3 level submenus or hidden in task panes, it's been flattened, so nothing's more than one click away -- certainly more discoverable. Comparing it to what's essentially a markup language (LaTeX) -- i.e. the very opposite of discoverable -- is a bit inverted...
I also expect to be able to get there with "ALT-F X All the old keyboard shortcuts, including alt-ones, still work; and in fact, a load more have been added.
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I think the reason you were modded troll is that it would have taken you a shorter amount of time to actually look up what A0 is and realise that you were wrong and it's not defined purely in terms of area than it took you to actually type your post...
(If you're interested, A0 is defined by area 1m^2, ratio of sides 1:sqrt(2). The reason for this is that that's the only ratio such that when you cut the paper in two you get two pieces of paper with the same ratio, which means that A1, A2, A3... etc. all have the same aspect ratio as A0 and are half, a quarter, and an eighth... respectively of it in size.)
I think its wonderful that anyone who does anything so blatently against the Slashdot mentality as -- *gasp!* -- do actual research, post actual facts or information, or even, heniously, provide links to the object of discussion in order to actually help people (strange concept, I know) is automatically accused of being some kind of shill. Clearly, noone in the entire universe who isn't in the pay of Microsoft would have any reason to do anything but post endless "M$ 5ux0rs" messages!
In any case, I fully apologise for trying to help you. Clearly, what you actually wanted me to do was go along with your comfortingly distorted vision of reality and agree with you that the utility isn't out yet, probably posting some variation of "Nothing you can do, M$ Sucks, use Linux instead!". I should have realised that, and apologise for thinking that you have any inclination at all to face reality.
(Incidnentally, it is highly amusing for me that you think I am employed by Microsoft; I am not, but then, by your logic, *anyone* willing to actually either help someone or do any sort of research whatsoever is in the employment of Microsoft, so go figure...)
There are visual cues. When you press alt, it gives you something like this; you can just press the corresponding key.
I don't really see that alt-f-a takes *that* much more time than ctrl+shift+s; they're both 3 keystrokes. Besides, if you really want to set up ctrl+shift+s to do save as, you can; it's not exactly difficult.
I think you're just making things up as you go along, because the keyboard train for 'save as' in Office 2007 is exactly the same as in the previous version of Office; alt+f+a. 'Alt+f' opens the office menu, 'a' selects Save As. All the keyboard shortcuts work exactly the same as before (they've even added some new ones, as well).
Really?
This is the assurance that is intended to alleviate any fear, uncertainties or doubts?
Really? It's not "an assurance" that they *might* make one available -- as I said in my post, there is one currently available. The direct download link is http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/2/2/9222
If you've got fuzzy red shadows, it's possible that cleartype is assuming your LCD monitor is RGB when it's actually BGR, which would make cleartype completely fall apart, and give serious colour banding. Download this demo and see which rendering mode eliminates the colour banding.
Regarding the menu font (Segoe UI), if there's really no place in Office 2007 to change it, you could always edit the registry to return, say, Tahoma when the system calls Segoe.
Try putting this in a text file, renaming it to something.reg, and merging it:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes]
"Segoe UI"="Tahoma"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts]
"Segoe UI (TrueType)"="tahoma.ttf"
DISCLAIMER: I haven't tried this, I've no idea whether it will work, not work, or cause your system to spontaneously implode. Make a system restore point and back up your registry before doing this!
But, you know, any of those options would require competence. Or at least the ability to read TFA.
But don't let facts get in the way of a little FUD.
Apologies for replying thrice to the same thread; I posted the link to the screenshot wrongly -- should have been this.
Yes, there is. All the old keyboard shortcuts still work, including all the alt+ ones; and lots more have been added. When you press alt, this sort of thing appears; and you press the corresponding key. Apparently, it works really well.
Just out of interest, from that post I'm guessing from that that you use a CRT monitor, right?
From what I've read, the new fonts are designed to work best on an LCD monitor which, with cleartype turned on, will enable the sub-pixel font rendering for which the fonts are apparently optimised. You can change the font if you don't like it; you know how to do that, right?
But don't let facts and reality put you off your FUD campaign.
I don't see how they're removing its simplicity. The interface is way simpler than the old one -- instead of everything either buried in 3 level submenus or hidden in task panes, it's been flattened, so nothing's more than one click away -- certainly more discoverable. Comparing it to what's essentially a markup language (LaTeX) -- i.e. the very opposite of discoverable -- is a bit inverted...
Inertia is an extremely powerful force...
DOS? Bah, DOS is a Bloated clutter. CP/M all the way!