I was thinking some more about this and really....isn't it just semantics at this point? You could say it wasn't a bug in bitcoin that was fixed either. A number is the same number zero padded or not.... that is why transactions were "mutable", not because the signature number changes, but because zero padding doesn't change a number.
The bug was not even in bitcoin really. Bitcoin protocol specified that hashes should not be zero padded, and gox was zero padding. Thats bthe bug. In fact, if you really want to identify a bug in bitcoin over it.... it was that it EVER accepted padding when it explicitly said not to pad in the protocol....a bug which was already fixed. (and fixing it opened the door for this trouble since it meant that mtgox transactions would never be accepted without mutation)
What is really interesting to me is that fix. If it was fixed and nobody was re-transmitting mutated transactions, mtgox would have been broken, nobody would be able to get coins out, and they would have to fix it. Even a few hours in that state would have been noticable and lead them to look to fixing it.
So somehow, when it was fixed, someone had to have started within a very short time doing retransmits, OR, have already been doing them with less frequent success. This makes me seriously wonder who "fixed" the original bug and what their motivation was.
A DICTIONARY ATTACK..... takes.... "Trillions of years"? I don't think so. Maybe a brute force, but, password standards TODAY lead to passwords that can be easily guessed by machines. Exposed hashes allow the attack to be done offline at the attacker's leisure.... it was never a good idea, and the level of protection you are postulating never existed for those very reasons.
But yes, I guess its true, if you have really good, "lifetime of the universe to guess" passwords, and ALL of the passwords on the system are all of that level of goodness.... and you are sure your hashes have no collisions with easier to guess passwords, then yes, you can leave your hashes in the password file....hell, at that point, you can post them in your SIG.
However, if you are wrong, then publishing them will mean someone can crack your password or an equivalent before doing anything that might have a chance of alerting you or a sysadmin.
These claims are always made but never really expand on what the repercussions are. What exactly does it mean that things would be devastating to our modern electronics?
I was iffy on this myself, so I read slashdot comments. Now it is crystal clear.
In the event of a major CME, just mains power, or possibly anything connected to mains power, would or would not be inoperable. Modern cars, and or, old cars would or would not work; as they may or may not be effected by EMPs which may or may not have similar effects.
Total damages are hard to estimate but could range from longer netflix streaming latency to trillions of dollars.
Too late. I noticed a while ago that the site that turns Dead Mormons Gay, while it says holocaust victims are ineligeble, happily converted Anne Frank for me....turns out, it accepts non-mormons too: http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay...
So I converted Fred already. Too late. Not only is he now Gay for all eternity, he is a Gay Mormon for all eternity, just like Anne Frank.
Um actually I believe you mean the treasury calls this "A new series". You know, like that line of purple spooge they put across some of the new bills.
Turns out, older series of the "Cash" currency had bugs which allowed for unscrupulous parties to make copies and double spend. So the treasury has released a patch, which is rolled out as they get their hands on older series bills and destroy them to be replaced by the new ones.
Don't get me wrong, I am ready willing and able to get into some fed hate, but, this is just a better example.
Even if your body makes it to 1,000 years, the thinking goes, that body is actually inhabited by a succession of persons over time rather than a single continuous person. And so, if you put someone in prison for a crime they committed at 40, they might, strictly speaking, be an entirely different person at 940.
There is a truth here that can be seen on much smaller time scales. People change, and grow from their experiences. A person at 18 has spent the most significant portions of his life as a kid, and experienced at most a few short years of adulthood. If you were to ignore that and just say he had 18 years.... he will have 18 years of experience 4 times over before he dies on average.
Perhaps it is true in the sense that PRISM doesn't do this, and there is something else by another name that does it. Not they are not saying "We don't do this at all" what they are saying is "PRISM" doesn't do it.
If so, then they are stepping up their game on the treasonous lies.
> That explains your sig. Your eyes are in backwards.;)
Lets um...go with that. It is, at least, related to the topic of hallucination, states of consciousness and perception.
> Seriously, you are right. And the more fatigued you are, the more likely you are to wind up in a > waking-dream sort of state
Very true, but the really odd part is how normal it can feel. I mean its one thing to be fatigued, but with sleep apnea, especially like I have (rather severe) I am pretty sure I never experienced a good nights sleep before the age of 28. If not my whole life, certainly not since my early teens before that.
So once all the easily distinguishable case colors are taken, nobody else should be able to enter the multimeter business?
Should sparkfun check every product it decides to buy and resell against competitors lines to be sure they don't share a color scheme, lest they infringe a trade mark?
Lol that reminds me of one of my favorite memes (as much as I hate that "meme" has come to mean "picture with words on it that people pass around") said "That awkward moment when you piss off both a liberal and conservative by arguing in favor of gun rights for married gay couples to protect their home and marijuana plants".
Yah.... that awkward moment is known as my life....I fully support that.... and no that doesn't answer your question. The answer to that is nothing at all. Or at least... that is the answer unless "is" means "ever was" (thank you Bill), since I don't actually do that until I get home..... in about an hour....
> Can they target anyone with power that control unlimited resources, yet fabricate data on a > daily basis
Maybe I am wrong but that doesn't seem to be what this is about. It is less about fabrication of data than it is about poor study design that lead to false results. From the original abstract:
Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias
This isn't about people in power with control of resources or about data fabrication. It is about making avoiding errors that lead to genuine reports of bogus findings.
as someone who has gone through periods of some nasty sleep disorders (so much better since I got some treatment), it doesn't really always happen like that. Generally yes, you lay down, close your eyes, THEN sleep. I do too....now.
However an overly fatigued person, like I used to be, doesn't always do this. I have been mostly alseep and slipping into dream....before my eyes were closed.
I shit you not, this is how I almost ended up with a similar crash. I was driving home alone from a party one night. I hadn't been drinking, but I was tired. I was doing a normal highway speed, in the 70s anyway.
What happened in a nutsehll was I fell asleep and drifted to the shoulder. I woke up and turned the car, glancing off the side rail. How much of a glance? Well I didn't slow down, but the ENTIRE side of my car had a long superficial scratch down the side with a few minor dents. So....I was an inch or two from total disaster.
Thing is, my eyes didn't close. I was entering an open eye dream state and then falling off. I know this because of the disassociated way I was thinking at the time. Litterally, my head was tilting to the side and the thought in my head....and I am not being cute here was actually "Oh look, the road is turning sideways, that isn't supposed to happen.". Luckily then I snapped back awake and turned the wheel but.... point being....closed eyes is not necessarily going to do it.
> No, you do not have an inalienable right to act out your aggressions on a publicly-funded highway.
However this doesn't actually look for people acting out, it looks at facial expressions to determine if a person is mad. This may be interesting itself but, I would submit the population of people who get mad while driving is so much larger than those who actually act out their aggression that this is unlikely to be the least bit useful.
This is using the fact that all criminals are found with water in their system as an excuse to monitor people who drink water.
You know, the world, and slashdot is big enough for multiple ingorami. You can still do it, it is totally not too late. Or, you could have doubled down and expanded upon GP. like you didn't get the joke. So many possibilities here. The only upside is you still can since few people really read all the comments anyway.
No I didn't miss that. Politicians lie about everything else, why can't they lie about that too. Or is it only acceptable for them to lie to their own people?
As a character, Putin is amazing. He is almost berlusconi entertaining. I mean, aside from cartoon villiany.... he also has personally assisted the migration of birds in his spare time. In fact, whether that is actually true or some crazy polticial propaganda, I am not sure it matters, because either way it just adds to the oddities of his character.
You want to know what happened to these fine words:
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
They were lies spoken by a politician. What is new? They were lies then, they are lies now. The people in charge of the American regieme do not actually approve of liberty for anyone but themselves and seldom ever have.
How does alliance with Saudi Arabia assure the survival and the success of liberty? Is it in the way they stone women to death for being seen in public with men who are not their husbands that does it?
How does the drug war, which has justified raids on private homes, the militarization of police, and the erosion of fair trial rights through the use of "Parallell construction" assure the survival of liberty? (and what liberty? The liberty to do as you are told? The liberty to choose not to use drugs?)
Lies is all they ever were, why do you cling to such crap?
Yes, because real coins have never been stolen. If it ever happened we might need to invent a new term like....bank robbery or something.
You are aware, I would hope, that the GPs point was that real banks use digital legers too, and in fact do not keep most of their money in "Real coin" at all. Not only that but, using whatever manner works to steal real coin, including by the use of malware to cause changes in digitally stored legers, is actually a way your precious real coin gets stolen now.
There is even a big company that suffered some large thefts...maybe you heard of them Target? How about TJX?
> Or maybe you could isolate control systems from the Internet.
Actually I am thinking... AND you could isolate control systems from the internet.
Take a simple steam tank (yes its an old house) like I have in by basement. Damned thing is basically a bomb in my basement (as is the water heater). You can hook up the whole system to a new control unit, which I have considered, and perhaps come up with a more intelligent means of control than the simple thermostat on/off/.... you can even go hog wild and add pressure sensors and all....
but under no circumstances would I replace the safety valves with a computer control. If I added some water level monitor to the digital control, I would still leave in the float valve emergency shut off.
Just because you have a control system doesn't mean it is ok to skimp out on safety equipment.
I am going to assume you missed the recent evolution debate with Bill Nye where his opponent actually attempted, on several occasions, to claim the Bible explained several things that Nye claimed we still can't explain.
If people want to use the Bible as a bunch of allegorical stories on how to live, more power to them. However, when they actually try to claim that it explains things science cannot or that other explanations must be wrong simply because they contradict the bible (which, some do);
You can espouse whatever interpretation you want that lets you reconcile the bible with cosmology however you like. However, it is not really honest to pretend that this simple little interpretation is actually the case made by the creationists that have been such a problem.
The reality is that the people making these claims are pushing to have their version of reality taught in schools; and their version is one making rather specific claims beyond some wishy-washy little interpretation that makes it all play nice.
Unless you are claiming that any scientific claim that the earth is older than a couple of thousand years is wrong, and that humans were created seperately from apes and they are not our long distant cousins (along with all other life on this planet that has been found so far)....then you are not one of the creationists most of us are talking about when we talk about creationists.
Well, Catholic schools (at least the one I went to) regularly teach evolution in their biology classes, amongst other things. They are hardly the same groups that push this anti-science BS (anymore), shit they even appologized to Galileo (after 400 years.... so they are....slow...)
While I have plenty I am happy to lambast the Catholics over; I have to hand it to them....they don't really push the creationism as we have come to know and despise. In fact, while you may find lay Catholics with all manner of beliefs, including young earth creationists and the like.... they Clergy tend to be a bit more level headed on these things and will often even say, flat out, the Bible is a book of allegorical stories and not a history book.
For example, as much as I dislike the man, Pope John Paul II did say: "Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory. "
That said, I did go to a Catholic High school, and there was a teacher told he was going to hell for teaching evolution.... he was told that by a student; not a priest, a brother, or anyone else in the clergy... a teenage student.
I don't know why you need to go arguing about all these fancy foreign words; if English was good enough for Jesus then it should be good enough for us to understand his teachings. You think if he wanted us using Hebrew words, he would have written the bible in it.
I met a guy from Sri Lanka once who had the best comment yet on "Prayer in schools": "I am perfectly ok with prayer in schools, and I would encourage it but it seems a bit impractical if they don't already have an altar to catch the blood."
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I was thinking some more about this and really....isn't it just semantics at this point? You could say it wasn't a bug in bitcoin that was fixed either. A number is the same number zero padded or not.... that is why transactions were "mutable", not because the signature number changes, but because zero padding doesn't change a number.
The bug was not even in bitcoin really. Bitcoin protocol specified that hashes should not be zero padded, and gox was zero padding. Thats bthe bug. In fact, if you really want to identify a bug in bitcoin over it.... it was that it EVER accepted padding when it explicitly said not to pad in the protocol....a bug which was already fixed. (and fixing it opened the door for this trouble since it meant that mtgox transactions would never be accepted without mutation)
What is really interesting to me is that fix. If it was fixed and nobody was re-transmitting mutated transactions, mtgox would have been broken, nobody would be able to get coins out, and they would have to fix it. Even a few hours in that state would have been noticable and lead them to look to fixing it.
So somehow, when it was fixed, someone had to have started within a very short time doing retransmits, OR, have already been doing them with less frequent success. This makes me seriously wonder who "fixed" the original bug and what their motivation was.
A DICTIONARY ATTACK..... takes.... "Trillions of years"? I don't think so. Maybe a brute force, but, password standards TODAY lead to passwords that can be easily guessed by machines. Exposed hashes allow the attack to be done offline at the attacker's leisure.... it was never a good idea, and the level of protection you are postulating never existed for those very reasons.
But yes, I guess its true, if you have really good, "lifetime of the universe to guess" passwords, and ALL of the passwords on the system are all of that level of goodness.... and you are sure your hashes have no collisions with easier to guess passwords, then yes, you can leave your hashes in the password file....hell, at that point, you can post them in your SIG.
However, if you are wrong, then publishing them will mean someone can crack your password or an equivalent before doing anything that might have a chance of alerting you or a sysadmin.
I was iffy on this myself, so I read slashdot comments. Now it is crystal clear.
In the event of a major CME, just mains power, or possibly anything connected to mains power, would or would not be inoperable. Modern cars, and or, old cars would or would not work; as they may or may not be effected by EMPs which may or may not have similar effects.
Total damages are hard to estimate but could range from longer netflix streaming latency to trillions of dollars.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Too late. I noticed a while ago that the site that turns Dead Mormons Gay, while it says holocaust victims are ineligeble, happily converted Anne Frank for me....turns out, it accepts non-mormons too: http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay...
So I converted Fred already. Too late. Not only is he now Gay for all eternity, he is a Gay Mormon for all eternity, just like Anne Frank.
Um actually I believe you mean the treasury calls this "A new series". You know, like that line of purple spooge they put across some of the new bills.
Turns out, older series of the "Cash" currency had bugs which allowed for unscrupulous parties to make copies and double spend. So the treasury has released a patch, which is rolled out as they get their hands on older series bills and destroy them to be replaced by the new ones.
Don't get me wrong, I am ready willing and able to get into some fed hate, but, this is just a better example.
There is a truth here that can be seen on much smaller time scales. People change, and grow from their experiences. A person at 18 has spent the most significant portions of his life as a kid, and experienced at most a few short years of adulthood. If you were to ignore that and just say he had 18 years.... he will have 18 years of experience 4 times over before he dies on average.
A person doesn't need 900 years to change.
Perhaps it is true in the sense that PRISM doesn't do this, and there is something else by another name that does it. Not they are not saying "We don't do this at all" what they are saying is "PRISM" doesn't do it.
If so, then they are stepping up their game on the treasonous lies.
> That explains your sig. Your eyes are in backwards. ;)
Lets um...go with that. It is, at least, related to the topic of hallucination, states of consciousness and perception.
> Seriously, you are right. And the more fatigued you are, the more likely you are to wind up in a
> waking-dream sort of state
Very true, but the really odd part is how normal it can feel. I mean its one thing to be fatigued, but with sleep apnea, especially like I have (rather severe) I am pretty sure I never experienced a good nights sleep before the age of 28. If not my whole life, certainly not since my early teens before that.
So once all the easily distinguishable case colors are taken, nobody else should be able to enter the multimeter business?
Should sparkfun check every product it decides to buy and resell against competitors lines to be sure they don't share a color scheme, lest they infringe a trade mark?
Lol that reminds me of one of my favorite memes (as much as I hate that "meme" has come to mean "picture with words on it that people pass around") said "That awkward moment when you piss off both a liberal and conservative by arguing in favor of gun rights for married gay couples to protect their home and marijuana plants".
Yah.... that awkward moment is known as my life....I fully support that.... and no that doesn't answer your question. The answer to that is nothing at all. Or at least... that is the answer unless "is" means "ever was" (thank you Bill), since I don't actually do that until I get home..... in about an hour....
Are you familiar with the original paper?
> Can they target anyone with power that control unlimited resources, yet fabricate data on a
> daily basis
Maybe I am wrong but that doesn't seem to be what this is about. It is less about fabrication of data than it is about poor study design that lead to false results. From the original abstract:
This isn't about people in power with control of resources or about data fabrication. It is about making avoiding errors that lead to genuine reports of bogus findings.
All that would prove for me, is that I am listening to the news on the radio.
as someone who has gone through periods of some nasty sleep disorders (so much better since I got some treatment), it doesn't really always happen like that. Generally yes, you lay down, close your eyes, THEN sleep. I do too....now.
However an overly fatigued person, like I used to be, doesn't always do this. I have been mostly alseep and slipping into dream....before my eyes were closed.
I shit you not, this is how I almost ended up with a similar crash. I was driving home alone from a party one night. I hadn't been drinking, but I was tired. I was doing a normal highway speed, in the 70s anyway.
What happened in a nutsehll was I fell asleep and drifted to the shoulder. I woke up and turned the car, glancing off the side rail. How much of a glance? Well I didn't slow down, but the ENTIRE side of my car had a long superficial scratch down the side with a few minor dents. So....I was an inch or two from total disaster.
Thing is, my eyes didn't close. I was entering an open eye dream state and then falling off. I know this because of the disassociated way I was thinking at the time. Litterally, my head was tilting to the side and the thought in my head....and I am not being cute here was actually "Oh look, the road is turning sideways, that isn't supposed to happen.". Luckily then I snapped back awake and turned the wheel but.... point being....closed eyes is not necessarily going to do it.
> No, you do not have an inalienable right to act out your aggressions on a publicly-funded highway.
However this doesn't actually look for people acting out, it looks at facial expressions to determine if a person is mad. This may be interesting itself but, I would submit the population of people who get mad while driving is so much larger than those who actually act out their aggression that this is unlikely to be the least bit useful.
This is using the fact that all criminals are found with water in their system as an excuse to monitor people who drink water.
You know, the world, and slashdot is big enough for multiple ingorami. You can still do it, it is totally not too late. Or, you could have doubled down and expanded upon GP. like you didn't get the joke. So many possibilities here. The only upside is you still can since few people really read all the comments anyway.
No I didn't miss that. Politicians lie about everything else, why can't they lie about that too. Or is it only acceptable for them to lie to their own people?
> Steve Jobs would likely be alive today if he had undergone treatment by modern scientific medicine
> instead of woo bullshit.
so we should put that in the Pro-herbs collumn then?
> Putin's actions are almost cartoon villianny.
As a character, Putin is amazing. He is almost berlusconi entertaining. I mean, aside from cartoon villiany.... he also has personally assisted the migration of birds in his spare time. In fact, whether that is actually true or some crazy polticial propaganda, I am not sure it matters, because either way it just adds to the oddities of his character.
You want to know what happened to these fine words:
They were lies spoken by a politician. What is new? They were lies then, they are lies now. The people in charge of the American regieme do not actually approve of liberty for anyone but themselves and seldom ever have.
How does alliance with Saudi Arabia assure the survival and the success of liberty? Is it in the way they stone women to death for being seen in public with men who are not their husbands that does it?
How does the drug war, which has justified raids on private homes, the militarization of police, and the erosion of fair trial rights through the use of "Parallell construction" assure the survival of liberty? (and what liberty? The liberty to do as you are told? The liberty to choose not to use drugs?)
Lies is all they ever were, why do you cling to such crap?
Yes, because real coins have never been stolen. If it ever happened we might need to invent a new term like....bank robbery or something.
You are aware, I would hope, that the GPs point was that real banks use digital legers too, and in fact do not keep most of their money in "Real coin" at all. Not only that but, using whatever manner works to steal real coin, including by the use of malware to cause changes in digitally stored legers, is actually a way your precious real coin gets stolen now.
There is even a big company that suffered some large thefts...maybe you heard of them Target? How about TJX?
> Or maybe you could isolate control systems from the Internet.
Actually I am thinking... AND you could isolate control systems from the internet.
Take a simple steam tank (yes its an old house) like I have in by basement. Damned thing is basically a bomb in my basement (as is the water heater). You can hook up the whole system to a new control unit, which I have considered, and perhaps come up with a more intelligent means of control than the simple thermostat on/off/.... you can even go hog wild and add pressure sensors and all....
but under no circumstances would I replace the safety valves with a computer control. If I added some water level monitor to the digital control, I would still leave in the float valve emergency shut off.
Just because you have a control system doesn't mean it is ok to skimp out on safety equipment.
I am going to assume you missed the recent evolution debate with Bill Nye where his opponent actually attempted, on several occasions, to claim the Bible explained several things that Nye claimed we still can't explain.
If people want to use the Bible as a bunch of allegorical stories on how to live, more power to them. However, when they actually try to claim that it explains things science cannot or that other explanations must be wrong simply because they contradict the bible (which, some do);
You can espouse whatever interpretation you want that lets you reconcile the bible with cosmology however you like. However, it is not really honest to pretend that this simple little interpretation is actually the case made by the creationists that have been such a problem.
The reality is that the people making these claims are pushing to have their version of reality taught in schools; and their version is one making rather specific claims beyond some wishy-washy little interpretation that makes it all play nice.
Unless you are claiming that any scientific claim that the earth is older than a couple of thousand years is wrong, and that humans were created seperately from apes and they are not our long distant cousins (along with all other life on this planet that has been found so far)....then you are not one of the creationists most of us are talking about when we talk about creationists.
Well, Catholic schools (at least the one I went to) regularly teach evolution in their biology classes, amongst other things. They are hardly the same groups that push this anti-science BS (anymore), shit they even appologized to Galileo (after 400 years.... so they are....slow...)
While I have plenty I am happy to lambast the Catholics over; I have to hand it to them....they don't really push the creationism as we have come to know and despise. In fact, while you may find lay Catholics with all manner of beliefs, including young earth creationists and the like.... they Clergy tend to be a bit more level headed on these things and will often even say, flat out, the Bible is a book of allegorical stories and not a history book.
For example, as much as I dislike the man, Pope John Paul II did say:
"Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory. "
That said, I did go to a Catholic High school, and there was a teacher told he was going to hell for teaching evolution.... he was told that by a student; not a priest, a brother, or anyone else in the clergy... a teenage student.
I don't know why you need to go arguing about all these fancy foreign words; if English was good enough for Jesus then it should be good enough for us to understand his teachings. You think if he wanted us using Hebrew words, he would have written the bible in it.
I met a guy from Sri Lanka once who had the best comment yet on "Prayer in schools":
"I am perfectly ok with prayer in schools, and I would encourage it but it seems a bit impractical if they don't already have an altar to catch the blood."