But it's very well documented that the less "connected" you are to society, the less chances you perceive you have, the less able your parents are to guide you, the higher is the chance you'll end up in crime.
Since Muslims have the same kind of behavior in their own societies, this explanation does not work. Also, they deliberately choose not to integrate themselves.
There's no "consistent downward spiral" in Norway. Number of reported crimes where aprox the same in 1993 and 2008, for example. Rape -is- indeed up, but it's reported more often now than it was eariler, it's hard to say what the real numbers are. Car-theft is down. Burglary is down. Assault and robbery is aproximately constant. Violence is somewhat up (around 10% in that period).
There is still no reason to believe that Norway is going anywhere else except down. Every country that's running this grand multiculturalist social experiment is getting the same results.
Sure. A few people not well-integrated in society causes a lot of problems, muggings, prostitution, assault, drug-dealing.
People don't rape and murder with impunity because they're "not integrated."
This is news?
Yes, it is. Very few people know what the situation is in Europe, and by the time everyone knows it'll either be too late or the streets will be covered in blood.
It would be a fucking miracle if you could take youngsters from a war-zone, transport them to another country where they don't know the language, don't have the education, where their parents aren't integrated into society, where they'll belong to the underclass, and NOT have them commit more crimes than average young people.
What, so suddenly every Islamic country in the world is a warzone? They don't do what they do because they come from a warzone, they do it because it's part of their culture. The reason why Muslims rape more than other people is because of the attitudes they have towards women and sexuality ("pieces of meat" who can be freely raped if they're uncovered, as one infamous Australian imam so eloquently put it). Also, these youngsters you're referring to are second generation immigrants for the most part. The rest of their criminal behavior can also be explained by culture.
There is no reason to assume statistics have worsened since 2001, so I'm not sure what you "imagine" or on what basis.
There's a consistent downwards spiral all over Europe, so why would Norway somehow be different? Things are getting worse, not better.
My preference for FFVII has nothing to do with the graphics. I played Chrono Trigger for the first time in 2000 or 2001 and it's still one of my favorite games.
Group 1, the smallest group, are fugitives, or people who claim to be fugitives. They are often unskilled, sometimes lacking even basic schooling, don't know any language common in Norway, these are indeed a drain. Particularily the first year, sometimes much longer, particularily if the integration fails to work.
For such a small group they sure keep themselves busy (that was way back in 2001, so I can only imagine what it's like now).
Lumping these two groups into one sack is unlikely to enligthen anyone.
I haven't lumped anything together. It was fairly obvious what kind of immigrants I was referring to.
Modern immigrants don't want to bring their families with them. They have no interest in becoming part of your country's culture; they just want cold, hard cash. They want to make as much money as possible, send most of it home, and then finally move back home and live better there. The days of immigrants wanting to help their host country and fit in are over.
What kind of immigrants are you talking about? Your description certainly has nothing to do with Muslim immigrants, except for the part about not wanting to integrate.
More people coming *makes* more jobs than it takes away. You have more service needs, more provision needs, more of everything.
The immigrants are first and foremost a drain on the economy, since they require welfare and all kinds of other support and services, without ever contributing anything. Rampant crime and instability don't exactly benefit society either.
Better policy: ask them to bring their family with them.
That's a pretty shallow interpretation of the meaning of life. Even an atheist can believe that there is more to life than simply existing, like helping others, making the world a better place, or even simply bettering ourselves?
No, he is absolutely correct. Objectively speaking there is no other purpose in life except reproduction. He also said "and what you want to make of it."
I like how you got modded "flamebait" for no apparent reason, but I guess by now I should be used to the fact that Slashdot is one of the dumbest and most uneducated Internet communities in existence.
Many Finnish ISPs voluntarily enforce a blacklist maintained by the police. The list is full of legitimate sites that supposedly contain "child porn." While browsing for garden variety porn I got blocked so many times I had to start using OpenDNS (yes, it's really tough to circumvent the blacklist).
This will probably go down exactly like the GP thinks it will. Just in like here.
Look at Europe, a few centuries ago we were an area of radical beliefs and lots of killing in the name of God.
This is a profound exaggeration.
You cannot talk normally with a radical but you can change the world around him until he feels stupid and gives up (or at least can't find any new radicals to recruit). Fill Iraq with McD's and you're one step closer to eliminating terrorism.
Muslims who have moved to Western nations have not given up their Islamic fervor. On the contrary, being surrounded by an infidel culture just makes them even more aggressive in their beliefs.
No, I really do not see it as flamebaiting. Perhaps you can explain to me why having an opinion that differs from Slashdot's leftist groupthink should be regarded as flamebaiting.
So-called "islamic" terrorism is as religious as the IRA or the Ulster folks in Northern Ireland are "catholic" or "protestantic" terrorists.
They're not even remotely the same thing. Jihadists base their actions on religion, and say that they are on a God-given mission to rid the world of infidels. They frequently cite Islamic texts to support their position (which "moderates" are never able to counter, strangely enough).
IMNSHO, anybody who believes the terrorists, that they do their heidious acts for religious reasons, is a sucker who falls for their propaganda and helps in the end to further their goals, by not addressing the real causes.
So by not addressing the causes that motivate the terrorists we are in fact furthering their goals, even though they can only further them by having someone address their motives? How does that make any logical sense? And by the way, please describe to me the natural law that prevents people from believing that they have a simple religious duty to conquer the world.
After all, terrorism by definition is not there to "win" anything, it's there to scare the enemy and make them afraid of something.
Make them afraid of something without using that fear to reach some kind of goal?
I disagree. It's more realistic and fun. In MMORPG PvP, if you encounter someone who is double the level than you, has better skills, it involves creativity to kill this person. For example, you need to get your friend involved, who is less powerful too, but together, maybe the both of you, working together with a strategy can win.
When I used to play UO, this happened all the time. Nothing is better than calling a Guild Member out to assist you and setting a trap for that high level guy.
I've heard skill plays a greater role in UO, but that's not the case with a game like WoW. If you're level 35 and your opponent is level 70, you have no chance. Even if you got four of your friends of the same level to help, you would be wiped out with ease. The level and gear disparity is enormous. Even when you've got people of the same level fighting each other, gear makes a huge difference.
You can't have this kind of thing in FPS. Sure, some guy might have the "better weapon" so you can to work together to get kill him, but its too black and white.
It happens all the time in FPS games, especially in more complex ones like Team Fortress and Battlefield.
Gear matters in FPS play too, don't say that it doesn't. You try to bring the right weapon to get the job done. Sure, there's some skill there, but chances are the right choice of weapon for the job helps more.
Compared to RPGs, gear is meaningless in FPS games. Even when not making that comparison, it still doesn't make a huge difference. I once played Counter-Strike: Source equipped with just a Glock (one of the most ineffective weapons in the game), and I still did very well (I think I was in the top three). Reaction time and accuracy are more important than weaponry. Good tactics can also make a dramatic difference.
Neverwinter Nights 2 has a Metacritic score of 82, but most players didn't like it. After the release, there were 2-3 times as many negative comments on the forums than positive ones, and the Metacritic user score is 5.2.
On the other hand, there are lots of incompetent people around, which can distort user scores. For instance, one Metacritic user review for GTA4 with a score of 4 says that "this game is totally over rated all GTA games are the same they are boring with the same missions over and over again it doesn't compare to MGS4." A user review with a score of 0 says: "I will not let my husband play this. There are much better things to do with your time than prostitution, killing, stealing, swearing, drinking, and all forms of immorality!"
The IRA had a military command structure and essentially professional soldiers who expected to survive. The IRA also negotiated with the UK government and could order its soldiers to stop fighting. And they would obey. Islamists have no centralised command structure or negotiating position as far as I can tell. In any case, if your enemies don't have a command structure it's pointless to negotiate with them.
You can't negotiate with Jihadists anyway. They will either convert, subjugate or kill you, and that's it.
But since the Palestinian politicians aren't in control of the terrorists it doesn't matter, because the terrorists won't stop attacking you regardless of how much you give the politicians.
Perhaps not the best example. The Palestinian "politicians" are terrorists.
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Since Muslims have the same kind of behavior in their own societies, this explanation does not work. Also, they deliberately choose not to integrate themselves.
There is still no reason to believe that Norway is going anywhere else except down. Every country that's running this grand multiculturalist social experiment is getting the same results.
People don't rape and murder with impunity because they're "not integrated."
Yes, it is. Very few people know what the situation is in Europe, and by the time everyone knows it'll either be too late or the streets will be covered in blood.
What, so suddenly every Islamic country in the world is a warzone? They don't do what they do because they come from a warzone, they do it because it's part of their culture. The reason why Muslims rape more than other people is because of the attitudes they have towards women and sexuality ("pieces of meat" who can be freely raped if they're uncovered, as one infamous Australian imam so eloquently put it). Also, these youngsters you're referring to are second generation immigrants for the most part. The rest of their criminal behavior can also be explained by culture.
There's a consistent downwards spiral all over Europe, so why would Norway somehow be different? Things are getting worse, not better.
My preference for FFVII has nothing to do with the graphics. I played Chrono Trigger for the first time in 2000 or 2001 and it's still one of my favorite games.
For such a small group they sure keep themselves busy (that was way back in 2001, so I can only imagine what it's like now).
I haven't lumped anything together. It was fairly obvious what kind of immigrants I was referring to.
What kind of immigrants are you talking about? Your description certainly has nothing to do with Muslim immigrants, except for the part about not wanting to integrate.
Nice going there, moderator. Proving my point in the most obvious way possible was a really brilliant move.
It's shitty moderators like you who make me think that Slashdot is indeed one of the dumbest and most uneducated Internet communities in existence.
Uh, no.
Yes, but you won't accept them. You don't want to know what's going on.
UK != Norway. Not that they're doing any better on the immigration front. Why are you talking about Eastern European immigrants anyway?
How am I racist, and when did I become British?
The immigrants are first and foremost a drain on the economy, since they require welfare and all kinds of other support and services, without ever contributing anything. Rampant crime and instability don't exactly benefit society either.
This just increases the burden on society.
Too bad mass immigration will destroy all that (just like in many other European countries), but it was nice while it lasted.
No, he is absolutely correct. Objectively speaking there is no other purpose in life except reproduction. He also said "and what you want to make of it."
I like how you got modded "flamebait" for no apparent reason, but I guess by now I should be used to the fact that Slashdot is one of the dumbest and most uneducated Internet communities in existence.
Many Finnish ISPs voluntarily enforce a blacklist maintained by the police. The list is full of legitimate sites that supposedly contain "child porn." While browsing for garden variety porn I got blocked so many times I had to start using OpenDNS (yes, it's really tough to circumvent the blacklist).
This will probably go down exactly like the GP thinks it will. Just in like here.
This is a profound exaggeration.
Muslims who have moved to Western nations have not given up their Islamic fervor. On the contrary, being surrounded by an infidel culture just makes them even more aggressive in their beliefs.
How exactly did you manage to lump Iran, China and the EU together?
What exactly did you "correct?" I was talking about Jihadists, not governments. Do not change the subject.
Ok, what the fuck? Why was I modded flamebait this time? What flamebaiting did I do?
No, I really do not see it as flamebaiting. Perhaps you can explain to me why having an opinion that differs from Slashdot's leftist groupthink should be regarded as flamebaiting.
They're not even remotely the same thing. Jihadists base their actions on religion, and say that they are on a God-given mission to rid the world of infidels. They frequently cite Islamic texts to support their position (which "moderates" are never able to counter, strangely enough).
So by not addressing the causes that motivate the terrorists we are in fact furthering their goals, even though they can only further them by having someone address their motives? How does that make any logical sense? And by the way, please describe to me the natural law that prevents people from believing that they have a simple religious duty to conquer the world.
Make them afraid of something without using that fear to reach some kind of goal?
Modded flamebait yet again by Slashdot's loony left bridgade. Please point out where I did any flamebaiting.
I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time with a game where all my items can be instantly taken away by some sociopath like you.
I've heard skill plays a greater role in UO, but that's not the case with a game like WoW. If you're level 35 and your opponent is level 70, you have no chance. Even if you got four of your friends of the same level to help, you would be wiped out with ease. The level and gear disparity is enormous. Even when you've got people of the same level fighting each other, gear makes a huge difference.
It happens all the time in FPS games, especially in more complex ones like Team Fortress and Battlefield.
Compared to RPGs, gear is meaningless in FPS games. Even when not making that comparison, it still doesn't make a huge difference. I once played Counter-Strike: Source equipped with just a Glock (one of the most ineffective weapons in the game), and I still did very well (I think I was in the top three). Reaction time and accuracy are more important than weaponry. Good tactics can also make a dramatic difference.
Neverwinter Nights 2 has a Metacritic score of 82, but most players didn't like it. After the release, there were 2-3 times as many negative comments on the forums than positive ones, and the Metacritic user score is 5.2.
On the other hand, there are lots of incompetent people around, which can distort user scores. For instance, one Metacritic user review for GTA4 with a score of 4 says that "this game is totally over rated all GTA games are the same they are boring with the same missions over and over again it doesn't compare to MGS4." A user review with a score of 0 says: "I will not let my husband play this. There are much better things to do with your time than prostitution, killing, stealing, swearing, drinking, and all forms of immorality!"
You're seriously saying that Christian terrorism, which is borderline non-existent, is a far greater threat than Islamic terrorism?
You can't negotiate with Jihadists anyway. They will either convert, subjugate or kill you, and that's it.
Perhaps not the best example. The Palestinian "politicians" are terrorists.
Terrorism is just a tool used by Jihadists, and it's not their only one. So yes, the current wave of Islamic terrorism is religious in nature.