yes, but hitler and his immediate circle were catholics and Nazi were the minority. Martin Luther was catholic until he broke away so he still had the antisemitic training from his upbringing
it had nothing to do with science but it mis-interpreted "survival of the fittest" quite badly. All jews were to be exterminated in nazi ideals because they were jews, there is no way of getting away from that, mind you they didn't like gypsys much either
That should be Catholics, and the Catholics have a long history of being antisemitic which they are slowly trying to change and its not just Germany. Nationalism is nasty in all countries being its teaches you to mistrust all others who are not like you, a bit like a lessor nazi ideal. Hitler was a cetainly a Catholic based Demagoge, and a despote, ofc, all the nazi uniforms had "God with us" on them so he thought he was doing Gods work
"Let's remember the Nazis were very Christian," - i'd be more specific and say "Catholics" and Catholics have a long long history of antisemitism "because they stuck jesus in the cross"
" thus often 'love your neighbour', usually defining 'neighbour' in the extensive way that Jesus offers in the Parable of the Good Samaritan." i think you'll find that sort of sentiment is thousands of years older than christianity. Don't fall into the error of conflating the horrors of Stalin and Mao as being done in the name of atheism, because they didn't, whereas a lot the horrors perpetrated by the religious are done in the name of religion
" A "Hard Atheist" may be just as religious and biggoted as any other kind of person devout to their beliefs." sounds you are really struggling for a profound and meaningful justification for not finally throwing out "faith" and getting off the fence
"Religion is a fundamental construct of western civilization. " - bollox, its a construct of the whole world's ignorance prior to science being able to explain things like thunder. You fell into the trap of thinking that the Abrahamic religions are the only ignorance belief systems, such arrogance
" Atheist, by virtue of the first premise, holds that the stories, anecdotes, and first-hand accounts of divine beings are wrong due to error or deception." almost agree with that but i'd add "self-deception" All the TV evangelists seem to proudly own the "deception" tag
"shall I flatly refuse to believe it?" - yes, until you can find and trust the evidence. Just because your friend/family member tells you it is true, does not mean that it is true - they could be wrong. I made that mistake growing up trusting my friends/family to know something "as true" because I placed more importance on my relationship with them than finding out for myself, i.e. they are my family/friend, they wouldn't lie to me, i didn;t entertain that idea they they could be wrong and misinformed. i am now totally cured of that.
" but the important thing is that you have faith, not to be shaken, no need of proof, just faith." -WHY is it important to have "have faith". Placing importance on the non-rational is the problem, not a thing to be proud of
"Trouble is, they are not really atheists... and you'll often hear them declaring themselves "agnostic". I.e. Hedging their bets." - its not hedging their bets, its the more scientific rationale to call yourself agnostic because its impossible to disprove something doesn;t exist
"Tell that to Dawkins. He is trying to turn (sic) "reason" into a religion for atheists." - aaah.. there's a poster who has had all his ideas shot down in flames and it hurting
The only purpose, as per all animals, is to breed. There is no meaning to life other than the meaning you specifically want to apply to your life to justify it or to give you that warm feeling
"Atheists will be in for a rude awakening when they die as they will realize that their belief was incomplete. " - i see you've taken the gullible arrogance route
Let me fix those general definitions for you..
* Theist: Gullible With Belief in God
* Atheist: 100% Without Belief in God,
* Agnostic: 99.999...% Without Knowledge in God because you can't prove something doesn;t exist,
* Gnostic: Gullible With Knowledge in God.
* Mystic: Gullible that uses any of the 4 about to suit
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yes, but hitler and his immediate circle were catholics and Nazi were the minority. Martin Luther was catholic until he broke away so he still had the antisemitic training from his upbringing
you need to read things like this then. http://www.iushorizon.com/1311...
the clue is in the name " theoretical physics."
sounds a good explanation to me
it had nothing to do with science but it mis-interpreted "survival of the fittest" quite badly. All jews were to be exterminated in nazi ideals because they were jews, there is no way of getting away from that, mind you they didn't like gypsys much either
That should be Catholics, and the Catholics have a long history of being antisemitic which they are slowly trying to change and its not just Germany. Nationalism is nasty in all countries being its teaches you to mistrust all others who are not like you, a bit like a lessor nazi ideal. Hitler was a cetainly a Catholic based Demagoge, and a despote, ofc, all the nazi uniforms had "God with us" on them so he thought he was doing Gods work
you equating "science" and "beliefs" make your comments null and void.
no wonder you are an AC. all your verbal diarrhea needs to be flushed away quickly
"Let's remember the Nazis were very Christian," - i'd be more specific and say "Catholics" and Catholics have a long long history of antisemitism "because they stuck jesus in the cross"
" thus often 'love your neighbour', usually defining 'neighbour' in the extensive way that Jesus offers in the Parable of the Good Samaritan." i think you'll find that sort of sentiment is thousands of years older than christianity. Don't fall into the error of conflating the horrors of Stalin and Mao as being done in the name of atheism, because they didn't, whereas a lot the horrors perpetrated by the religious are done in the name of religion
" A "Hard Atheist" may be just as religious and biggoted as any other kind of person devout to their beliefs." sounds you are really struggling for a profound and meaningful justification for not finally throwing out "faith" and getting off the fence
"Religion is a fundamental construct of western civilization. " - bollox, its a construct of the whole world's ignorance prior to science being able to explain things like thunder. You fell into the trap of thinking that the Abrahamic religions are the only ignorance belief systems, such arrogance
" Atheist, by virtue of the first premise, holds that the stories, anecdotes, and first-hand accounts of divine beings are wrong due to error or deception." almost agree with that but i'd add "self-deception" All the TV evangelists seem to proudly own the "deception" tag
"There are many facts that support possibilities of god" - no wonder you are an AC, that's embarrassing statement
"Atheists don't believe in people." - probably the most stupid statement posted so far, the rest of the post isn't much better
" I sometimes play golf," - bloody hell, a nerd who gets outside now and again, i presume its not the computer version......
"shall I flatly refuse to believe it?" - yes, until you can find and trust the evidence. Just because your friend/family member tells you it is true, does not mean that it is true - they could be wrong. I made that mistake growing up trusting my friends/family to know something "as true" because I placed more importance on my relationship with them than finding out for myself, i.e. they are my family/friend, they wouldn't lie to me, i didn;t entertain that idea they they could be wrong and misinformed. i am now totally cured of that.
" but the important thing is that you have faith, not to be shaken, no need of proof, just faith." -WHY is it important to have "have faith". Placing importance on the non-rational is the problem, not a thing to be proud of
"Trouble is, they are not really atheists... and you'll often hear them declaring themselves "agnostic". I.e. Hedging their bets." - its not hedging their bets, its the more scientific rationale to call yourself agnostic because its impossible to disprove something doesn;t exist
With American tax payers money...
"Tell that to Dawkins. He is trying to turn (sic) "reason" into a religion for atheists." - aaah.. there's a poster who has had all his ideas shot down in flames and it hurting
The only purpose, as per all animals, is to breed. There is no meaning to life other than the meaning you specifically want to apply to your life to justify it or to give you that warm feeling
Looks like you've fallen for yet another myth that atheists/agnostics are heartless, have no morals or ethics.
you obviously need to visit a dictionary to find the meaning of words... you are looking a bit ignorant
Margaret Thatcher was a scientist (research chemist) as well
"Atheists will be in for a rude awakening when they die as they will realize that their belief was incomplete. " - i see you've taken the gullible arrogance route
Let me fix those general definitions for you..
* Theist: Gullible With Belief in God
* Atheist: 100% Without Belief in God,
* Agnostic: 99.999...% Without Knowledge in God because you can't prove something doesn;t exist,
* Gnostic: Gullible With Knowledge in God.
* Mystic: Gullible that uses any of the 4 about to suit