jeez, yeah, all those thousands of scientists colluding to fool you. i bet you don't believe man landed on the moon either as that was a big conspiracy too
" Yes some warming is occurring, but not enough to matter in any way worth even getting excited about " - basically, you feel its not affecting you yet so its not happening.
"Those people represent a small fraction of the global population." - but if you asked every parent if they'd want a safer world for their kids and grandkids etc, they would all say "yes" - its just that some of them haven't seen the light about the dangers of global warming yet. so the fraction of the population is potentially greater than you think
"Bill Nye is another loud mouth douche who thinks because he speaks people care. Some do, but most people with common sense stopped listening to him shortly after they grew the fuck up." - he has more credability than any twat who thinks the gays are someway responsible or a climate change denier with no evidence
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"The single biggest problem we have in science today is overstating findings that simply are not supportable by the evidence. " and you'd conducted all the experiments and research to prove that assertion?
""Time and skills." - if you lack those then you have to suck it up and use either a distro with or without systemd
"And while I may not have the skills of the systemd devs, " if thats the case, you don;t really have the knowledge to rant and rave about something you know nothing about because all you are doing is parroting other ignorant posters.
"There are plenty of real issues with systemd.From bugs to features, design stupidities to its dependencies, not forgetiing the devs relations to the community. " now you are making things up, ALL software has bugs and for the rest of your comment about design and dependeicies, thats crap and its just a minority of whiney loud mouths complaining. Remember that empty vessels make the most noise
"Tell me what are the alternatives if I want a good up to date debian based distro without systemd?" - devuan, slackware, gentoo. but i guess you are admitting that a systemd distro is "up to date".
"A problem is that to use some of those alternatives, you have to jump through so many hoops that it isn't worth it at all. You choose the less bad of the two solutions." thats your choice, you have to wonder why the non-systemd distros cause you to jump through hoops .
"The complaint is not that it exists, but that those of us who don't like it find that we have to jump through so many hoops to avoid it" well, thats just tough shit for you if you aren't capable of downloading and installing a different distro to suit your needs.
"but apparently it was forced on developers by the powers at the top in an undemocratic way," - why not provide a link for that statement? making wild claims need proof.
you need to research it yourself, do not rely on forums like this for facts. all the negatives you see written are based on ignorance of the systemd project and people to lazy to look up what is true or false so they repeat what they read from ignorant posts.
"The fact that I don't have the needed resources to create an alternative doesn't mean we should shut up." - change distros then or look up "linuxfromscratch" - you've got a computer, what more do you need?
"But that's not a reason to shut up when things go bad." as things haven't gone bad then its just whining from ignorance
"And it's even less a reason when there was an alternative that is now no longer available." you don;t look very far, do you?
seeing one of udev developers was kay sievers i would say that its using its own udev, its the others like Gentoo that are making udev replacements to work with their init systems
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maybe they were pushed up due to the plates colliding, a bit like the Himalayas and some Caribbean islands
jeez, yeah, all those thousands of scientists colluding to fool you. i bet you don't believe man landed on the moon either as that was a big conspiracy too
" Yes some warming is occurring, but not enough to matter in any way worth even getting excited about " - basically, you feel its not affecting you yet so its not happening.
jeez, thats the biggest load of delusion i've seen for a while
"Those people represent a small fraction of the global population." - but if you asked every parent if they'd want a safer world for their kids and grandkids etc, they would all say "yes" - its just that some of them haven't seen the light about the dangers of global warming yet. so the fraction of the population is potentially greater than you think
"Bill Nye is another loud mouth douche who thinks because he speaks people care. Some do, but most people with common sense stopped listening to him shortly after they grew the fuck up." - he has more credability than any twat who thinks the gays are someway responsible or a climate change denier with no evidence "
"The single biggest problem we have in science today is overstating findings that simply are not supportable by the evidence. " and you'd conducted all the experiments and research to prove that assertion?
""Time and skills." - if you lack those then you have to suck it up and use either a distro with or without systemd
"And while I may not have the skills of the systemd devs, " if thats the case, you don;t really have the knowledge to rant and rave about something you know nothing about because all you are doing is parroting other ignorant posters.
"There are plenty of real issues with systemd.From bugs to features, design stupidities to its dependencies, not forgetiing the devs relations to the community. " now you are making things up, ALL software has bugs and for the rest of your comment about design and dependeicies, thats crap and its just a minority of whiney loud mouths complaining. Remember that empty vessels make the most noise
"Tell me what are the alternatives if I want a good up to date debian based distro without systemd?" - devuan, slackware, gentoo. but i guess you are admitting that a systemd distro is "up to date".
"A problem is that to use some of those alternatives, you have to jump through so many hoops that it isn't worth it at all. You choose the less bad of the two solutions." thats your choice, you have to wonder why the non-systemd distros cause you to jump through hoops .
you fairly new to slashdot and systemd related articles? :o)
unfortunately he is anti-systemd and has blind spots so he imagines things (up as most anti-systemders do because they don't research the issue).
well, knock me down with a feather. software has bugs. shit, i never knew that.
ever check the kernel bug list or do you think there isn't one because the kernel is so good, it doesn't have bugs?
its just a weak minded troll who has run out of ideas that makes the EEE claim.
"The complaint is not that it exists, but that those of us who don't like it find that we have to jump through so many hoops to avoid it" well, thats just tough shit for you if you aren't capable of downloading and installing a different distro to suit your needs.
bollox...... provide a link for proof of your claim
why don't you log in and make the same claim? then we can ridicule you if you are wrong but i guess you are an Anonymous coward for a reason
nicely put.
you'd better buy a tin foil hat
there are only a set number of hours in the day. they can't design/write/test everything at once.
anti-systemd troll.
"but apparently it was forced on developers by the powers at the top in an undemocratic way," - why not provide a link for that statement? making wild claims need proof.
you need to research it yourself, do not rely on forums like this for facts. all the negatives you see written are based on ignorance of the systemd project and people to lazy to look up what is true or false so they repeat what they read from ignorant posts.
bollox. poettering wrote a library for them to continue using consoled but they decided not to use it
"The fact that I don't have the needed resources to create an alternative doesn't mean we should shut up." - change distros then or look up "linuxfromscratch" - you've got a computer, what more do you need?
"But that's not a reason to shut up when things go bad." as things haven't gone bad then its just whining from ignorance
"And it's even less a reason when there was an alternative that is now no longer available." you don;t look very far, do you?
why not find out about it instead of making stupid assumptions based on your lack of knowledge of systemd?
seeing one of udev developers was kay sievers i would say that its using its own udev, its the others like Gentoo that are making udev replacements to work with their init systems