Get a grip and some info. We have a VETO on those type of things so its not a problem at all if we don't want it to happen (but we lose that when we leave so EU can do what they like)
I can't wait for the squealing to start that the EU is bullying us on the trade table after arrogantly and incorrectly saying how strong a position we are in.
those countries, as already pointed out, are to all intents and purposes part of the EU due to the rules they have to abide by and funds they have to pay to belong to get free trade. they are at a disadvantage in that they cannot influence any of the trade rules, they just have to suck it up.
the main overriding reason for the EU was to stop constant wars. common trade agreements had to be in place to create that economic level playing field. If you don't attempt to have a level playing field, you just get arguments and worse.
the sovereignty argument is crap. if we undo all the legislation related to EU membership (and i bet we don't except for immigration), we won't be able to trade with them. so therefore we will have to make rules based on others. i bet we may have to do that with any other trade agreement we may get with the larger economies as they can crush us underfoot on the deal due to their size. no doubt the TTIP based agreement will be the US's first draft.
N Ireland could potentially have a referendum of their own to ask if they want to rejoin Ireland and if they do, they will automatically become part of Irelands EU membership
yes, but if spain get bolshy over it once we fully leave the EU, how can we stop them in the EU courts if we are no longer part of that system? Send in the gun boats?
"Frankly, Euro is a gooberty gook. And the ECB has no clue and no powers. While some countries in the Euro zone can benefit and recover from a weak Euro, others need a strong Euro. So how does it help? A weakened GBP will help more exports. By the way its just markets reacting irrationally. My take is, GBP will be better off than Euro."
the thing is that no-one will never know how much stronger the Euro would have been if the UK did join it (we are the 5th largest economy or has that now dropped to the 6th?). A weakened GBP will certainly make exports cheaper but it will make imports a lot more expensive and judging on how many bleat about us importing more from the EU (is that because their goods are better or are there not enough patriotic brits to buy their own home built cars etc) than the EU buys from us, does not bode well for balance of payments.
There is an elected representative from each EU country that has a voice in all the laws being proposed, modified and ratified. laws are made to equalise and level the playing field within the EU. Can you name any club that you can go in and play by your own rules with no regard for the club rules? An example of one benefit of being inside the EU, a UK government can now invest in areas of the UK that are beneficial to their party whereas within the EU investment was non partisan, this is because all the parties put themselves before the country so they can attempt to stay in power.
yes, but they have to have free movement of people and pay into the EU coffers for the privilege. And they do not get to the table to define the rules, they can only lobby.
"But it turned out that free labor movement doesn't provide a lot of benefits to Britain " - you are wrong there, they pick all our vegetables and fruits as the there are not enough brits willing to go so (starting work at 5am is too much), almost all our coffee shops/restaurants are staffed by immigrants, they expanded out economy, stopped the decline in our birth rate, the investment banks are full of germans, french, spanish etc. its was just xenophobia and racists and peoples fear of people who speak different languages. if the immigrants where all white americans, irish, aussies, kiwis etc there'd be no issue.
we didn't there were many people in the UK that would make a daft voting choice, but that was proved wrong. There are more people out there that do not have a clue what they are voting for/against and vote on lies because they do not do any research.
thats the problem, it seems to be a protest non-EU related vote. if people wanted to place a "protest against the government" vote, they should apply it a local level because then you can, if you want, reverse it 5 years later. This was a one chance vote with no chance to change your mind at a later date. This is the problem when people do not vote with their heads.
I think the problem is that if you live in a multi-ethnic area like a large city, you are incorrectly deemed elite. The out voters seem live in predominantly white areas that have no immigrants but have a fear of an imaginary issue.
" I doubt all the people who fought for the Nazis were die-hard ideologists either."
i think you can take that as true, when you are drafted into the army in those days, you do as you are told. But as most of the nazi echelon were catholics and catholics blamed the jews for killing jesus, you could say religion had a part to play.....
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oh shit... not more tourists clogging up the place..... :o) - its made my holiday outside of the UK more expensive
Get a grip and some info. We have a VETO on those type of things so its not a problem at all if we don't want it to happen (but we lose that when we leave so EU can do what they like)
Voting conservatively would be a remain vote i.e. don't upset the apple cart.
I can't wait for the squealing to start that the EU is bullying us on the trade table after arrogantly and incorrectly saying how strong a position we are in.
unfortunately you cannot hit the xenophobes with a big enough clue stick to make them see sense. hatred rules !!
those countries, as already pointed out, are to all intents and purposes part of the EU due to the rules they have to abide by and funds they have to pay to belong to get free trade. they are at a disadvantage in that they cannot influence any of the trade rules, they just have to suck it up.
the main overriding reason for the EU was to stop constant wars. common trade agreements had to be in place to create that economic level playing field. If you don't attempt to have a level playing field, you just get arguments and worse.
the sovereignty argument is crap. if we undo all the legislation related to EU membership (and i bet we don't except for immigration), we won't be able to trade with them. so therefore we will have to make rules based on others. i bet we may have to do that with any other trade agreement we may get with the larger economies as they can crush us underfoot on the deal due to their size. no doubt the TTIP based agreement will be the US's first draft.
it was anyone who spoke a different language that was the problem. their is a huge population of small minded ignorant brits here in the UK.
N Ireland could potentially have a referendum of their own to ask if they want to rejoin Ireland and if they do, they will automatically become part of Irelands EU membership
yes, but if spain get bolshy over it once we fully leave the EU, how can we stop them in the EU courts if we are no longer part of that system? Send in the gun boats?
"Frankly, Euro is a gooberty gook. And the ECB has no clue and no powers. While some countries in the Euro zone can benefit and recover from a weak Euro, others need a strong Euro. So how does it help? A weakened GBP will help more exports. By the way its just markets reacting irrationally. My take is, GBP will be better off than Euro." the thing is that no-one will never know how much stronger the Euro would have been if the UK did join it (we are the 5th largest economy or has that now dropped to the 6th?). A weakened GBP will certainly make exports cheaper but it will make imports a lot more expensive and judging on how many bleat about us importing more from the EU (is that because their goods are better or are there not enough patriotic brits to buy their own home built cars etc) than the EU buys from us, does not bode well for balance of payments.
There is an elected representative from each EU country that has a voice in all the laws being proposed, modified and ratified. laws are made to equalise and level the playing field within the EU. Can you name any club that you can go in and play by your own rules with no regard for the club rules? An example of one benefit of being inside the EU, a UK government can now invest in areas of the UK that are beneficial to their party whereas within the EU investment was non partisan, this is because all the parties put themselves before the country so they can attempt to stay in power.
Correct !!
yes, but they have to have free movement of people and pay into the EU coffers for the privilege. And they do not get to the table to define the rules, they can only lobby.
"But it turned out that free labor movement doesn't provide a lot of benefits to Britain " - you are wrong there, they pick all our vegetables and fruits as the there are not enough brits willing to go so (starting work at 5am is too much), almost all our coffee shops/restaurants are staffed by immigrants, they expanded out economy, stopped the decline in our birth rate, the investment banks are full of germans, french, spanish etc. its was just xenophobia and racists and peoples fear of people who speak different languages. if the immigrants where all white americans, irish, aussies, kiwis etc there'd be no issue.
we didn't there were many people in the UK that would make a daft voting choice, but that was proved wrong. There are more people out there that do not have a clue what they are voting for/against and vote on lies because they do not do any research.
thats the problem, it seems to be a protest non-EU related vote. if people wanted to place a "protest against the government" vote, they should apply it a local level because then you can, if you want, reverse it 5 years later. This was a one chance vote with no chance to change your mind at a later date. This is the problem when people do not vote with their heads.
I think the problem is that if you live in a multi-ethnic area like a large city, you are incorrectly deemed elite. The out voters seem live in predominantly white areas that have no immigrants but have a fear of an imaginary issue.
whats the difference between "highly confident" and "guarantee"?
" I doubt all the people who fought for the Nazis were die-hard ideologists either."
i think you can take that as true, when you are drafted into the army in those days, you do as you are told. But as most of the nazi echelon were catholics and catholics blamed the jews for killing jesus, you could say religion had a part to play.....
some people just hate
go and do your school home work, your mum is getting your dinner ready
he seemed more homophobic than radicalised
And you have to ask how he got into the nightclub with all that weaponry