Plus I assume you are referring to Obama, but lets not forget he voted for FISA. We as a people need to figure it out that charismatic != honest and to take whatever either candidate says with a very large grain of salt. Remember, they only care about your vote and will gladly promise you the moon to get it. You'd think we would have learned this with President Bush II promising us a classical conservative utopia yet delivering a neo-conservative hell, but I guess we're all a little slow on the uptake.
obama explained the situation. though its not like people who were following c-span were not aware of it already anyway.
its like this - the current state of the eavesdropping is worse. its subject to NO judicial authority.
democrats didnt have the power to completely scuttle fisa. it was going to be either a status quo (and therefore wiretapping goes on without any judicial authority, upon whim) because they did not have enough majority to pass anything to the contrary, or it was going to be a compromise. they shoved in the judicial authority stuff therefore, making wiretapping a judicial matter. so in the new situation, wiretappers will be hold liable to answer to judges if they do any wrongdoing.
i really am very annoyed with you american republicans these days. you are TOTALLY contradictory even about yourself.
you talk about right to compete, do business, other financial rights, complain about taxes and size of government.
WHO is going to protect your rights, in all respects of life, leave aside business, from predators and abusers, if the government is cut to shreds ?
the government is YOUR corporation, its the megacorporation that you are a natural shareholder for, and have an inalienable right in its workings. its your STICK that you use to scare off any predators and set matters right. if you are not able to properly use it, thats your problem.
we need LAWS RULES AND REGULATIONS in ALL aspects of SOCIAL life, because in EVERY human society, EACH period of time, there are always individuals and groups that are ready to abuse, subdue others and get their way.
implementation of such rules and regulations is THE thing that made possible for us to step from caves to space age. its THE thing that made the 7 billion populated world possible.
yet, you republicans are, somehow, either too stupid, or TOO selfish not to realize that, business, running of a country is NO different than ANY other SOCIAL activity that mankind performs, and as soon as the regulatory power, the government is scuttled as much as you want it to be, there will be predators, abusers everywhere.
ah, and also, stuff like 'invisible hand' does not exist. its not even a fairy tale. business is just another field of social activity, and deregulation brings equal amount of lawlessness and abuse to it just like any other social aspect of life.
no, excuse me, you really dont know whats good for you.
are you a total moron ? look at the things you complain of :
Right... that'll help. Social Security, Welfare, Medicare and Medicaid exceed the entire military AND discretional budget (not just the Iraq war) and all are horribly broken.
* Social Security: 1935, FDR... democrat
* Welfare: 1935, FDR... democrat, reformed in 1996 by Bill Clinton... democrat AGAINST the democratic party's wishes for longer terms and more funds. (thank the universe for little miracles.)
* Medicare and medicaid: 1945 proposed by Harry Truman... democrat, signed 1965 by Lyndon Johnson also... democrat.
these are the stuff you complain of. stuff that YOU CAN YOURSELF USE.
so you are complaining about social security, welfare, medicare, medicaid, health insurances, BECAUSE they take away your money, but youre ok with PAYING $500 BN A YEAR TO A WAR THAT ONLY BENEFITS HALIBURTON & ASSOCIATES ?
are you a TOTAL moron ? you are stomaching paying for something that you will see NO returns, NO profits, take NOTHING back, but youre complaining about social security ?
apparently youre ok as long as the tax you pay does not benefit anyone INCLUDING you, but IS SPENT TO TRASH IN A FOREIGN WAR TO BENEFIT SOME CORPORATIONS CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION.
excuse me, but people like you do not have the mental prowess to have the right to vote. go back to an obscure farm in midwest, and dont bother anyone.
you reap what you sow. George II has been the gift of pro republican people to the WORLD, not even only u.s., and we are thanking you for this wonderful present, like in the form the parent to your post does.
then the whole world will route all communication through europe, and hell, maybe even set up their own registrar authorities and root dnses, internet will become fractured, your backbone providers will lose HUGE customers, and then will shove all those fibers they laid up their asses.
concerts are the means they allow the artists to make money for themselves, because they let artists only make a few cents out of a $15 album. they wouldnt give a zit about concerts. unless its a huge event.
you are not aware of low end (which happen to be constituting a BIG majority of the websites on the net) hosting market do you ?
for, $100 a month people do not need to afford a server farm, they just wont be able to buy a cert for their amateur websites, scuttling whatever foray to the web they are doing.
for small businesses and small entrepreneurs, costs are equally prohibitive. you can rent a decent webserver and host 300 average websites on it for $200 a month, but if you, god forbid, try to remedy the horrible error ff3 is gonna show when they try to connect to their site control panels through ssl, you need to shell out major bucks for a wildcard ssl. same goes for a vps, shared accounts.
i was talking about this - the understanding and vision of the people who force that kind of decisions in regard to internet are so narrow that, they are not aware that how big an audience would be hurt and consequences would be, if they do such stuff. not to mention that some of those kind of people actually shun, belittle such small people, unfortunately.
if you are proposing godaddy, one of the few shittiest service provider on the web as a solution, pal, you can take godaddy and firefox3, and keep them to yourself.
That's the idea. Any "secure" site that can be bothered with the hassle of running legitimately probably isn't worth/shouldn't be visited.
thats your decision. the average web surfer has to decide it for themselves, not coerced into making that decision by arrogant self righteous programmers.
Certs are 10 bucks.
what you name as '10 bucks' constitutes 10 days' pay in many countries around the world. i hate to break it to you but the world is not comprised of us, japan and europe. you seem to be an arrogant g8 country citizen that is clueless about the rest of the world.
and they will add my ca just like that. is that it. what is the point of doing such stampede, if they are to add countless cas that are going to apply, then ?
$10 a year still a huge cost for many people around the world. i dont know how some of you people can think that internet is comprised of u.s. and europe. there are people living on $100 wages a month and trying to do stuff on the net all around the world.
well, the thing is, you can expect a lot of things, but we know that people do what they will do. and both of us know that they wont probably even bother with it.
If I understand you rightly (please verify), you are agreeing that the fundamental system is valid, but saying that it requires additional modifications to enable it to withstand the pressures of transnational corporatism.
exactly that, just like any invention mankind has made, and had to perfect with the passing of time.
But not necessarily impossible.;) For a start, it's not a simple black and white system. It might be possible to be more explicit and vehement both in emphasising what constitutes variance from the written.............f them, but I list them as illustrations of how a rule system could guard against people not paying attention to the rule-system; because that's essentially what you're asking for and it's difficult.
you need to remember that no board, no committee, no body is incorruptible. you gotta figure out a way to prevent corruption. heightened awareness level of citizens, coupled with internet and grassroots understandings, and mandatory elimination of 'national secret' concept to prevent hiding of wrongdoing may be necessary.
are you aware that www is not comprised of only western europeans, or americans ? are you aware that there are people with monthly wages of $100 around the world, who also happen to be running amateur communities through websites ?
you are assuming that i dont know about the age of robber barons.
that age is not relevant to this debate, because it was an age in which a few robber barons, which are extremely wealthy, were able to influence matters through their personal influence. it was more like jacob fugger being instrumental in drafting the policy of almost half of europe through Charles V he lent money to.
corporationism is much different. it does not pertain to very rich individuals you can trace the issues to. it is more pluralistic, more widespread because there is actually now a minority culture that behaves as such - its like the behavior of ants - they are weak when alone, but their synergy makes them stronger in groups.
megacorporations and corporationism are therefore indeed globalization age's products. whereas in the past, the big buck and robber barons were just similar to extremely wealthy aristocrats of the past, megacorporations are more like a social group and therefore multicultural, multilingual, multinational. makes corporationism all the more dangerous.
since it will make it harder for any third party to snoop on your connection and information is being sent. you can get your connection hijacked by only one party at a given time, but more than one party may be snooping on your connection at exactly that moment.
now, there are a lot of websites, services, whatever you name it, that would not care to (or even afford to) acquire single or (in many worse cases) wildcard ssl certs for their services on the web. they will just probably let go of self signed certs, and dont replace with anything.
it will cause easier snooping of personal details of countless millions for people, because it will be easier without any encryption to make snooping harder.
result ? personal data of countless millions going out to black market.
if you are not still aware EVEN if you get your connection hijacked by a man in the middle attack somewhere, you can freeze a bank account, you can chargeback a credit card charge, you can cancel a credit card and do many other stuff.
but, if your PERSONAL details go out in the open, your name, address, social security number, main email, parents' names, (insert whatever sensitive info as you like), you CANT cancel them or take them back or do ANYTHING to prevent them getting spread in the wild, and used for ANY purpose. there is NO way that you can do that.
excuse me, privacy is more important. this 'security' minded move by some programmers will jeopardize millions of people in an angle they never apparently have thought about.
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Plus I assume you are referring to Obama, but lets not forget he voted for FISA. We as a people need to figure it out that charismatic != honest and to take whatever either candidate says with a very large grain of salt. Remember, they only care about your vote and will gladly promise you the moon to get it. You'd think we would have learned this with President Bush II promising us a classical conservative utopia yet delivering a neo-conservative hell, but I guess we're all a little slow on the uptake.
obama explained the situation. though its not like people who were following c-span were not aware of it already anyway.
its like this - the current state of the eavesdropping is worse. its subject to NO judicial authority.
democrats didnt have the power to completely scuttle fisa. it was going to be either a status quo (and therefore wiretapping goes on without any judicial authority, upon whim) because they did not have enough majority to pass anything to the contrary, or it was going to be a compromise. they shoved in the judicial authority stuff therefore, making wiretapping a judicial matter. so in the new situation, wiretappers will be hold liable to answer to judges if they do any wrongdoing.
its the nixon that has escalated the war into a full scale war.
you should cut down on Fox coolaid. for you are totally brainwashed. its HISTORY.
i really am very annoyed with you american republicans these days. you are TOTALLY contradictory even about yourself.
you talk about right to compete, do business, other financial rights, complain about taxes and size of government.
WHO is going to protect your rights, in all respects of life, leave aside business, from predators and abusers, if the government is cut to shreds ?
the government is YOUR corporation, its the megacorporation that you are a natural shareholder for, and have an inalienable right in its workings. its your STICK that you use to scare off any predators and set matters right. if you are not able to properly use it, thats your problem.
we need LAWS RULES AND REGULATIONS in ALL aspects of SOCIAL life, because in EVERY human society, EACH period of time, there are always individuals and groups that are ready to abuse, subdue others and get their way.
implementation of such rules and regulations is THE thing that made possible for us to step from caves to space age. its THE thing that made the 7 billion populated world possible.
yet, you republicans are, somehow, either too stupid, or TOO selfish not to realize that, business, running of a country is NO different than ANY other SOCIAL activity that mankind performs, and as soon as the regulatory power, the government is scuttled as much as you want it to be, there will be predators, abusers everywhere.
ah, and also, stuff like 'invisible hand' does not exist. its not even a fairy tale. business is just another field of social activity, and deregulation brings equal amount of lawlessness and abuse to it just like any other social aspect of life.
no, excuse me, you really dont know whats good for you.
Right... that'll help. Social Security, Welfare, Medicare and Medicaid exceed the entire military AND discretional budget (not just the Iraq war) and all are horribly broken. * Social Security: 1935, FDR... democrat * Welfare: 1935, FDR... democrat, reformed in 1996 by Bill Clinton... democrat AGAINST the democratic party's wishes for longer terms and more funds. (thank the universe for little miracles.) * Medicare and medicaid: 1945 proposed by Harry Truman... democrat, signed 1965 by Lyndon Johnson also... democrat.
these are the stuff you complain of. stuff that YOU CAN YOURSELF USE.
so you are complaining about social security, welfare, medicare, medicaid, health insurances, BECAUSE they take away your money, but youre ok with PAYING $500 BN A YEAR TO A WAR THAT ONLY BENEFITS HALIBURTON & ASSOCIATES ?
are you a TOTAL moron ? you are stomaching paying for something that you will see NO returns, NO profits, take NOTHING back, but youre complaining about social security ?
apparently youre ok as long as the tax you pay does not benefit anyone INCLUDING you, but IS SPENT TO TRASH IN A FOREIGN WAR TO BENEFIT SOME CORPORATIONS CLOSE TO ADMINISTRATION.
excuse me, but people like you do not have the mental prowess to have the right to vote. go back to an obscure farm in midwest, and dont bother anyone.
you reap what you sow. George II has been the gift of pro republican people to the WORLD, not even only u.s., and we are thanking you for this wonderful present, like in the form the parent to your post does.
thank you, for all those terrible years.
no you can blame it on bush.
a power might be in the hands of authorities, but unless there is an administration that encourages its abuse, they dont get abused.
its as simple as that. this kind of abuse has not been in clinton era, or even reagan era. but it is, in bush era.
then the whole world will route all communication through europe, and hell, maybe even set up their own registrar authorities and root dnses, internet will become fractured, your backbone providers will lose HUGE customers, and then will shove all those fibers they laid up their asses.
thats why.
concerts are the means they allow the artists to make money for themselves, because they let artists only make a few cents out of a $15 album. they wouldnt give a zit about concerts. unless its a huge event.
im young compared to many of you old coots here, i know. despite im older than many younguns.
yet even do i know that you should think twice, trusting someone that wronged you or others before.
you are not aware of low end (which happen to be constituting a BIG majority of the websites on the net) hosting market do you ?
for, $100 a month people do not need to afford a server farm, they just wont be able to buy a cert for their amateur websites, scuttling whatever foray to the web they are doing.
for small businesses and small entrepreneurs, costs are equally prohibitive. you can rent a decent webserver and host 300 average websites on it for $200 a month, but if you, god forbid, try to remedy the horrible error ff3 is gonna show when they try to connect to their site control panels through ssl, you need to shell out major bucks for a wildcard ssl. same goes for a vps, shared accounts.
i was talking about this - the understanding and vision of the people who force that kind of decisions in regard to internet are so narrow that, they are not aware that how big an audience would be hurt and consequences would be, if they do such stuff. not to mention that some of those kind of people actually shun, belittle such small people, unfortunately.
if you are proposing godaddy, one of the few shittiest service provider on the web as a solution, pal, you can take godaddy and firefox3, and keep them to yourself.
That's the idea. Any "secure" site that can be bothered with the hassle of running legitimately probably isn't worth/shouldn't be visited.
thats your decision. the average web surfer has to decide it for themselves, not coerced into making that decision by arrogant self righteous programmers.
Certs are 10 bucks.
what you name as '10 bucks' constitutes 10 days' pay in many countries around the world. i hate to break it to you but the world is not comprised of us, japan and europe. you seem to be an arrogant g8 country citizen that is clueless about the rest of the world.
Are you done yet?
done with you, for sure.
remembering how many stuff they pulled and were able to get away with, i cant imagine microsoft in a cloud computing setting.
and they will add my ca just like that. is that it. what is the point of doing such stampede, if they are to add countless cas that are going to apply, then ?
there are bigger things in regard to safety and security than MITM attacks :
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=634675&cid=24465677
if you can lower your browser acceptance rate, you can go down to $1 a year certificates too.
tell me about geotrust. not even talking about verisign.
$10 a year still a huge cost for many people around the world. i dont know how some of you people can think that internet is comprised of u.s. and europe. there are people living on $100 wages a month and trying to do stuff on the net all around the world.
well, the thing is, you can expect a lot of things, but we know that people do what they will do. and both of us know that they wont probably even bother with it.
If I understand you rightly (please verify), you are agreeing that the fundamental system is valid, but saying that it requires additional modifications to enable it to withstand the pressures of transnational corporatism.
exactly that, just like any invention mankind has made, and had to perfect with the passing of time.
But not necessarily impossible. ;) For a start, it's not a simple black and white system. It might be possible to be more explicit and vehement both in emphasising what constitutes variance from the written ...... .......f them, but I list them as illustrations of how a rule system could guard against people not paying attention to the rule-system; because that's essentially what you're asking for and it's difficult.
you need to remember that no board, no committee, no body is incorruptible. you gotta figure out a way to prevent corruption. heightened awareness level of citizens, coupled with internet and grassroots understandings, and mandatory elimination of 'national secret' concept to prevent hiding of wrongdoing may be necessary.
refer to these posts :
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=634675&cid=24465677
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=634675&cid=24465741
are you aware that www is not comprised of only western europeans, or americans ? are you aware that there are people with monthly wages of $100 around the world, who also happen to be running amateur communities through websites ?
you are assuming that i dont know about the age of robber barons.
that age is not relevant to this debate, because it was an age in which a few robber barons, which are extremely wealthy, were able to influence matters through their personal influence. it was more like jacob fugger being instrumental in drafting the policy of almost half of europe through Charles V he lent money to.
corporationism is much different. it does not pertain to very rich individuals you can trace the issues to. it is more pluralistic, more widespread because there is actually now a minority culture that behaves as such - its like the behavior of ants - they are weak when alone, but their synergy makes them stronger in groups.
megacorporations and corporationism are therefore indeed globalization age's products. whereas in the past, the big buck and robber barons were just similar to extremely wealthy aristocrats of the past, megacorporations are more like a social group and therefore multicultural, multilingual, multinational. makes corporationism all the more dangerous.
compare those groups to media cartels, military-defense complex, and oil megacorps, and youll have your answer.
if you cant, let me tell you : they are one of the smallest fish in the pond.
since it will make it harder for any third party to snoop on your connection and information is being sent. you can get your connection hijacked by only one party at a given time, but more than one party may be snooping on your connection at exactly that moment.
now, there are a lot of websites, services, whatever you name it, that would not care to (or even afford to) acquire single or (in many worse cases) wildcard ssl certs for their services on the web. they will just probably let go of self signed certs, and dont replace with anything.
it will cause easier snooping of personal details of countless millions for people, because it will be easier without any encryption to make snooping harder.
result ? personal data of countless millions going out to black market.
if you are not still aware EVEN if you get your connection hijacked by a man in the middle attack somewhere, you can freeze a bank account, you can chargeback a credit card charge, you can cancel a credit card and do many other stuff.
but, if your PERSONAL details go out in the open, your name, address, social security number, main email, parents' names, (insert whatever sensitive info as you like), you CANT cancel them or take them back or do ANYTHING to prevent them getting spread in the wild, and used for ANY purpose. there is NO way that you can do that.
excuse me, privacy is more important. this 'security' minded move by some programmers will jeopardize millions of people in an angle they never apparently have thought about.