I'm about to replace my Macbook Air (which has become progressively worse with each OSX update) with a Chromebook. Faster, cheaper. I don't need any of the installed Mac software and I'm tired of the toy UI.
Considering you obvious Flamebait for a moment:
I assume you got a first generation MacBook Air, right?. Let's see, that came out in January, 2008. Yes, computer speed increases are not coming at quite the pace they once were; but I would HOPE that a Chromebook designed in 2014 (likely) would beat an MBA that was designed in 2006 (likely).
Interesting that you seem to be having worse performance with each OS X update. Last week, a friend of mine that has a single CPU first generation Mac Pro (circa 2007, designed in 2005) just upgraded from 10.6.8 Snow Leopard to 10.11.4 El Capitan. One of the things he stated was impressive was that his performance actually INCREASED. So, I am not sure what the issue is with your computer; but OS X is not generally cited as becoming significantly slower or more resource-hoggy with each update.
As for the "installed Software"? Meh. Ignore it. Throw it away. So what?
And "Toy UI"? You've apparently not seen any of the versions of Windows since 7...
As I said: Flamebait. I'd mod you there myself if I hadn't already commented...
if you peek under the hood at OS X, it is VASTLY more robust than ChromeOS, being a Certified UNIX and all
Ha ha ha, you're quite the joker. No Unix tool in better on OS/x than Linux and most are crappier... way crappier. Valgrind? Yes, Real Unix[tm] has it, the catch is, it doesn't work. The list of similar farces is long. Face it, these days Real Unix[tm] gets the sloppy seconds from Linux, it's been that way for, oh I don't know, 15 years now? More?
Now, go to a BSD forum and post that. I'll wait...
I don't mean to reply to my own comment; but Apple still sells the "non-Retina" MacBook Pros (which also still have DVD burners in them!) (and REPLACEABLE RAM!), and a choice of SSD or Spinning-Rust Drives up to 1TB (for an extra $50) (and they're easily replaceable, too!) for a STEAL! $1099 for the 13 inch.
Yeah, the display resolution kinda sucks compared with the Pixel2; but when you are not on the go, hook up an external monitor and rock-out with up to 2560 x 1600 (in addition to the built-in display).
See this page for details.
I actually have the 15" version of this same-generation of MBP, and am QUITE happy with it. In fact, I specifically bought it because it had a real FireWire Port, PLUS ThunderBolt/MiniDisplayPort, PLUS Ethernet (and 802.11n WiFi), Plus Bluetooth 4.0, PLUS Analog Audio In/Out, PLUS Optical Audio In/Out, (actually, the 13" only has Analog/Optical OUT (although you can use an Apple Headset with microphone, so it MUST support Mic-In with a 4-cond. plug)), PLUS a Backlit Keyboard, PLUS USB 3.0, PLUS an SDXC Card Reader, with Replaceable RAM, Replaceable HD/SSD, and an integrated Optical Drive, Plus the hands-down (no pun) best Trackpad. IOW, what most people on here would consider a "whole computer".
I bought it with the minimum Drive and RAM configuration, with the express purpose of expanding them with 3rd party options. Something that is getting to be VERY rare these days, from ANY manufacturer. You can configure it with up to a 2.9 GHz i7, which I would recommend doing, if you want to "upgrade" anything BTO.
Soon (very soon!), the ONLY other way you are going to be able to find expandable RAM and Drive in ANY laptop is through the USED market...
How do the prices compare for a similar spec MacBook Pro? I was under the impression that MacBooks were more expensive, but to be honest I hadn't really considered running Linux on a Mac. I might consider that in future.
Well, MacBook Pros are more of a "computer" than the Pixel2; but if you want to compare the 13" MacBook Pro to the almost 13" Pixel2, the MacBook Pro with 8 GB RAM is the same price as the 16 GB Pixel2 ($1299); but the big difference comes in local Storage. The Pixel2 tops out at 64 GB of SSD (I have 2X that in my iPhone). I know, I know. You're supposed to use the Cloud for all storage (so Google can quietly sift through all your files!); whereas the 13" MBP has double the local storage (128 GB) at minimum, with BTO options to 1 TB.
And unlike the Chromebook, you can EASILY run Multiple OSes on a Mac. It's wonderful little built-in bootloader will let you easily dual-boot (or triple-boot, or quadruple-boot, or...?) into OS X, Linuces (plural), Windows, etc.; or just use VMWare Fusion or Parallels and run them CONCURRENTLY. Try THAT on a Chromebook!
So when you want to use best-in-class Applications such as Photoshop, MS Office, Final Cut, Logic Pro, ProTools, etc, etc. ET CETERA, that simply will never come to Linux, and which there are no real F/OSS equivalents (sorry guys!), you can do so. Again, that is simply NOT an option with a Chromebook.
And if I understand it correctly, if you install Linux on a Chromebook, you are saying Goodbye to ChromeOS (actually, through "crouton" (and a lot of finagling), you can dual-boot a Pixel into at least TWO of the Linux Distros (Arch and Mint); but with a MAXIMUM of 64 GB of local storage, isn't that more of a "Hey, I booted Linux on my Microwave!" sort of thing, than any sort of REASONABLE solution?). Besides, as to running anything OTHER than Chrome on a Chromebook, why buy half of a computer and then throw away the infrastructure (Google) that makes it (sort of) whole?
pardon the pun. But a Chromebook is nothing near a Macbook. Chromebooks have very little in the way of memory and storage. The $200 versions have terrible screens. The utility, when not connected to the internet, is quite limited. The Macbook is a full fledged workstation.
I'm not saying that it's a bad choice for schools who are putting them in the hands of teenagers that have yet to develop, shall we say, a sense of responsibility.
Probably a fairer comparison would be to the Surface but even then the Surface has a lot more going for it than a Chromebook. The Chromebook is a low end internet appliance. For very basic tasks its great. Which is to say, for most students it is just fine. But to compare a Chromebook to a Macbook is like comparing a Chevy to a Ferrari.
It's a Netbook. Nothing more; somewhat less, actually.
You're not in much position to demand substantiation when you fling "CLICKBAIT." and walk off.
In fact, it seems like the appropriate reaction IS to verbally doubt that's a neutral, objective claim, when it comes from a "macs4all".
We really don't need to* do a federal fucking study to verbalize some doubt. Granted, GP wrote with the grace of a squid rolling downhill.
*CITATION NEEDED
ALL of which also are REAL computers, not just a glorified "thin client", that runs a REAL, Certified UNIX as its native OS (rather than a bastardized, cloud-bound, pseudo-Linux (which of course is a pseudo-UNIX)).
*facepalms then shakes head sadly*
I know. It's sad that people confuse Chromebooks with REAL computers like Macs.;-)
That'll teach you to leave an ambiguous reply, LOL!!!
The screen is better and I use Linux, so I decided on the Pixel.
Screen "better"? Well, better than the MacBook and MacBook Air; but only marginally better than a 13" MacBook Pro (2560 X 1700 for the Pixel, vs. 2560 X 1600 for the MBP).
I use Linux...
Do you want to know how many people run Linux on Macs? Well, let's start with St. Linus who switched in 2005, and never looked-back, and then take a look at a typical Linux gathering. Apple Logos everywhere...
release OS X on the PC and just scrap the Mac altogether or spin the hardware business off as a separate company/subsidiary and also release OS X to the PC.. (Because there is nothing unique about a Mac anymore, it's just a PC with a DRM lock)
Michael Dell, is that you?
Why don't you just sign on and fight like a man...
BTW, the ONLY "DRM Lock" in OS X is a file that says "Please Don't Copy OS X". I believe the Installer looks for that; but other than that, Apple has NEVER used TPM or anything else to "lock" OS X to Apple Hardware. They had a TPM chip on the first Intel Mac mobos; but they never implemented a driver for it, and soon removed it altogether.
Truth be told, as long as it doesn't get ridiculous, Apple is actually more-than-happy that the Hackintosh Community exists; because it increases the "mindshare" for OS X.
... says the guy named "macs4all". lol. talk about a knee-jerk defensive post *sweating on his macbook with apple-phone/apple-pad/itv/iwatch next to him* "uh uh... [obligatory ad-hominem attack that doesn't address the facts presented]"
Um, I was typing that at Work on my work Win 7 laptop.
And, BTW, ad hominem attacks are the last-defense of the defense-less.
So, what about those facts? Got any FACTUAL rebuttal?
Google's Pixel is an exception to that. I've got a Pixel2 at work with 16G ram and is running an i7. (I run xUbuntu on it rather than ChromeOs though).
But it's also as expensive ($999 for 4 GB, $1299 for your 16GB model) as a MacBook (non-pro) ($999 with 8 GB), or a MacBook Air (which start out at $899 and TOP OUT at $1399, just $100 over the 16GB Pixel2), or heck, even the low-end Retina MacBook PRO is only $1299 (with 8 GB), ALL of which also are REAL computers, not just a glorified "thin client", that runs a REAL, Certified UNIX as its native OS (rather than a bastardized, cloud-bound, pseudo-Linux (which of course is a pseudo-UNIX)).
Why anyone would by a Pixel over a MacBook is beyond me, all brand-loyalty aside.
Yes macs4all, the fact that chromeos devices, that are basically thin clients are outselling overpriced osx hardware is non-news.
I am sorry dude but I think apple is going to be on a decline for some time;
1) Killed 17'
2) Killed FCP
3) Overpriced Trash Can
4) Soldered Memory to Motherboard
How is apple not just building overly priced chromebooks at this point. The only reason for most of their new marketshare is teenage girls wanting to check their facebooks and yewtubes. All things a chromebook can do.... 90% of users on a mac dont need a full fledged desktop OS.
They killed the 17 MacBook Pro because no one was buying it, and because doing a 17 inch Retina display would have made the laptop price-prohibitive.
They resurrected FCP, and then added-back nearly all the features they removed back into FCPX.
Overpriced Trash Can? Depends on your use-case. I must admit, they should have left the tower, too. So I'll kind of give you that one.
Soldered memory: Required for Windows Certification since WIndows 8 (or 8.1?). Something about "Secure Boot", IIRC. Actually, I didn't realize that; another Slashdotter (a non-Mac-fan, actually) clued me into that.
And if you peek under the hood at OS X, it is VASTLY more robust than ChromeOS, being a Certified UNIX and all. And I dare say that any Mac you purchase will still be looking and running just fine, long after that Chromebook is in the Landfill, or Tech-Recycler's.
I don't know if you're old enough to remember when Apple ruled the education market at all levels. I had the CFO of Apple tell me straight to my face that the "bite" out of the Apple logo represented their undying commitment to education.
Then he (or you) made that up out of whole cloth.
The Bite (byte) out of the Apple was originally to let people more easily recognize the image as an Apple, rather than a Cherry.
Commodore's brand is now thrown around on products that have neither the innovativeness nor the features of the original Commodore computers. In fact the brand has now been prostituted so much, it's all but worthless. I hope the same won't happen with Nokia, but it seems likely.
Oh, you mean like This Filing Cabinet and other office products, that were made by Commodore LONG before they started making computers.
In fact, that's why the Commodore PET had a metal case. Because they could make it "in house".
I don't care that I have Windows 10 on my laptop, in fact, as far as I'm concerned, it's a step up from Windows 8 which my laptop came with.
Then why, oh, why did you CLEARLY state in your Original Post:
I only have Windows 10 on my laptop because I run a vinyl plotter and that's my only option.
WTF, OVER???
If you haven't guessed yet, my laptop is only 1 year old and my vinyl cutting is a part time hobby at best which brings in some residual income for my wife and I.
Why would you assume that I (or anyone, for that matter), would have "guessed" that? (rolls eyes)
And finally, I'm no luddite, but I don't fix what's not broken. If I have something that fits my needs, I keep it. I don't upgrade every CPU refresh cycle or go out and buy the latest and greatest just because. I have better things to do besides measure my Epeen with everyone else online.
If you haven't guessed yet (see how that works?), I don't either.
In fact, my (non-Retina) 2013 MacBook Pro is the very first NEW Computer (of any kind) I have EVER purchased (and I'm 60 years old, and have been using computers since I was 18). I have owned several Macs; but they were either given to me, "dumpster-dived" (diven?), or bought WELL-used off of eBay. I take that back, though. I bought a new Apple ][+ in 1980. But that's IT. And you will notice that my MacBook Pro is now THREE models-behind.
It is when I'm unwilling to purchase a mac to replace the functioning laptop I already own.
Gimme a break!
So, if you had a Functioning 13 inch CRT-based computer monitor, you would NEVER consider replacing it with a 24 inch Flatscreen? If you had. Functioning car, you would NEVER consider replacing it with a newer/better one? The list goes on...
Since I assume you are using a vinyl cutter in a business setting, the cost of a Mac Laptop, iMac or Mac mini (which are only $600 or so) should be easy to absorb, and surely you can find another unfortunate upon whom to foist that "functioning" Windows laptop.
A vinyl designer/cutter-driver could run on ANY Mac with plenty of resources left over. You could purchase a bottom of the line Mac mini for $600, or if you require portability, there are Mac Laptops that start at $999. So, cost just isn't a valid excuse, unless your vinyl cutting business isn't really a viable business anyway.
Or apparently you were just whining to whine about being "Trapped" in Windows 10, Spyware Edition, when I demonstrated with literally 5 seconds on Google, that you most certainly are NOT.
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I'm about to replace my Macbook Air (which has become progressively worse with each OSX update) with a Chromebook. Faster, cheaper. I don't need any of the installed Mac software and I'm tired of the toy UI.
Considering you obvious Flamebait for a moment:
I assume you got a first generation MacBook Air, right?. Let's see, that came out in January, 2008. Yes, computer speed increases are not coming at quite the pace they once were; but I would HOPE that a Chromebook designed in 2014 (likely) would beat an MBA that was designed in 2006 (likely).
Interesting that you seem to be having worse performance with each OS X update. Last week, a friend of mine that has a single CPU first generation Mac Pro (circa 2007, designed in 2005) just upgraded from 10.6.8 Snow Leopard to 10.11.4 El Capitan. One of the things he stated was impressive was that his performance actually INCREASED. So, I am not sure what the issue is with your computer; but OS X is not generally cited as becoming significantly slower or more resource-hoggy with each update.
As for the "installed Software"? Meh. Ignore it. Throw it away. So what?
And "Toy UI"? You've apparently not seen any of the versions of Windows since 7...
As I said: Flamebait. I'd mod you there myself if I hadn't already commented...
if you peek under the hood at OS X, it is VASTLY more robust than ChromeOS, being a Certified UNIX and all
Ha ha ha, you're quite the joker. No Unix tool in better on OS/x than Linux and most are crappier... way crappier. Valgrind? Yes, Real Unix[tm] has it, the catch is, it doesn't work. The list of similar farces is long. Face it, these days Real Unix[tm] gets the sloppy seconds from Linux, it's been that way for, oh I don't know, 15 years now? More?
Now, go to a BSD forum and post that. I'll wait...
STOP THE PRESSES!!!
I don't mean to reply to my own comment; but Apple still sells the "non-Retina" MacBook Pros (which also still have DVD burners in them!) (and REPLACEABLE RAM!), and a choice of SSD or Spinning-Rust Drives up to 1TB (for an extra $50) (and they're easily replaceable, too!) for a STEAL! $1099 for the 13 inch.
Yeah, the display resolution kinda sucks compared with the Pixel2; but when you are not on the go, hook up an external monitor and rock-out with up to 2560 x 1600 (in addition to the built-in display). See this page for details.
I actually have the 15" version of this same-generation of MBP, and am QUITE happy with it. In fact, I specifically bought it because it had a real FireWire Port, PLUS ThunderBolt/MiniDisplayPort, PLUS Ethernet (and 802.11n WiFi), Plus Bluetooth 4.0, PLUS Analog Audio In/Out, PLUS Optical Audio In/Out, (actually, the 13" only has Analog/Optical OUT (although you can use an Apple Headset with microphone, so it MUST support Mic-In with a 4-cond. plug)), PLUS a Backlit Keyboard, PLUS USB 3.0, PLUS an SDXC Card Reader, with Replaceable RAM, Replaceable HD/SSD, and an integrated Optical Drive, Plus the hands-down (no pun) best Trackpad. IOW, what most people on here would consider a "whole computer".
I bought it with the minimum Drive and RAM configuration, with the express purpose of expanding them with 3rd party options. Something that is getting to be VERY rare these days, from ANY manufacturer. You can configure it with up to a 2.9 GHz i7, which I would recommend doing, if you want to "upgrade" anything BTO.
Soon (very soon!), the ONLY other way you are going to be able to find expandable RAM and Drive in ANY laptop is through the USED market...
How do the prices compare for a similar spec MacBook Pro? I was under the impression that MacBooks were more expensive, but to be honest I hadn't really considered running Linux on a Mac. I might consider that in future.
Well, MacBook Pros are more of a "computer" than the Pixel2; but if you want to compare the 13" MacBook Pro to the almost 13" Pixel2, the MacBook Pro with 8 GB RAM is the same price as the 16 GB Pixel2 ($1299); but the big difference comes in local Storage. The Pixel2 tops out at 64 GB of SSD (I have 2X that in my iPhone). I know, I know. You're supposed to use the Cloud for all storage (so Google can quietly sift through all your files!); whereas the 13" MBP has double the local storage (128 GB) at minimum, with BTO options to 1 TB.
And unlike the Chromebook, you can EASILY run Multiple OSes on a Mac. It's wonderful little built-in bootloader will let you easily dual-boot (or triple-boot, or quadruple-boot, or...?) into OS X, Linuces (plural), Windows, etc.; or just use VMWare Fusion or Parallels and run them CONCURRENTLY. Try THAT on a Chromebook!
So when you want to use best-in-class Applications such as Photoshop, MS Office, Final Cut, Logic Pro, ProTools, etc, etc. ET CETERA, that simply will never come to Linux, and which there are no real F/OSS equivalents (sorry guys!), you can do so. Again, that is simply NOT an option with a Chromebook.
And if I understand it correctly, if you install Linux on a Chromebook, you are saying Goodbye to ChromeOS (actually, through "crouton" (and a lot of finagling), you can dual-boot a Pixel into at least TWO of the Linux Distros (Arch and Mint); but with a MAXIMUM of 64 GB of local storage, isn't that more of a "Hey, I booted Linux on my Microwave!" sort of thing, than any sort of REASONABLE solution?). Besides, as to running anything OTHER than Chrome on a Chromebook, why buy half of a computer and then throw away the infrastructure (Google) that makes it (sort of) whole?
pardon the pun. But a Chromebook is nothing near a Macbook. Chromebooks have very little in the way of memory and storage. The $200 versions have terrible screens. The utility, when not connected to the internet, is quite limited. The Macbook is a full fledged workstation.
I'm not saying that it's a bad choice for schools who are putting them in the hands of teenagers that have yet to develop, shall we say, a sense of responsibility.
Probably a fairer comparison would be to the Surface but even then the Surface has a lot more going for it than a Chromebook. The Chromebook is a low end internet appliance. For very basic tasks its great. Which is to say, for most students it is just fine. But to compare a Chromebook to a Macbook is like comparing a Chevy to a Ferrari.
It's a Netbook. Nothing more; somewhat less, actually.
You're not in much position to demand substantiation when you fling "CLICKBAIT." and walk off. In fact, it seems like the appropriate reaction IS to verbally doubt that's a neutral, objective claim, when it comes from a "macs4all". We really don't need to* do a federal fucking study to verbalize some doubt. Granted, GP wrote with the grace of a squid rolling downhill. *CITATION NEEDED
And you're STILL an ANONYMOUS COWARD, so STFU.
*facepalms then shakes head sadly*
I know. It's sad that people confuse Chromebooks with REAL computers like Macs. ;-)
That'll teach you to leave an ambiguous reply, LOL!!!
UNIX certification assures compliance with a particular standard API. That API is obsolete, and it never guaranteed robustness anyway.
LOL!
Better not tell Linux, BSD, etc. that the POSIX API is Obsolete.
The screen is better and I use Linux, so I decided on the Pixel.
Screen "better"? Well, better than the MacBook and MacBook Air; but only marginally better than a 13" MacBook Pro (2560 X 1700 for the Pixel, vs. 2560 X 1600 for the MBP).
I use Linux...
Do you want to know how many people run Linux on Macs? Well, let's start with St. Linus who switched in 2005, and never looked-back, and then take a look at a typical Linux gathering. Apple Logos everywhere...
release OS X on the PC and just scrap the Mac altogether or spin the hardware business off as a separate company/subsidiary and also release OS X to the PC.. (Because there is nothing unique about a Mac anymore, it's just a PC with a DRM lock)
Michael Dell, is that you?
Why don't you just sign on and fight like a man...
BTW, the ONLY "DRM Lock" in OS X is a file that says "Please Don't Copy OS X". I believe the Installer looks for that; but other than that, Apple has NEVER used TPM or anything else to "lock" OS X to Apple Hardware. They had a TPM chip on the first Intel Mac mobos; but they never implemented a driver for it, and soon removed it altogether.
Truth be told, as long as it doesn't get ridiculous, Apple is actually more-than-happy that the Hackintosh Community exists; because it increases the "mindshare" for OS X.
... says the guy named "macs4all". lol. talk about a knee-jerk defensive post *sweating on his macbook with apple-phone/apple-pad/itv/iwatch next to him* "uh uh... [obligatory ad-hominem attack that doesn't address the facts presented]"
Um, I was typing that at Work on my work Win 7 laptop.
And, BTW, ad hominem attacks are the last-defense of the defense-less.
So, what about those facts? Got any FACTUAL rebuttal?
Oh, wait, you're an AC. Nevermind.
They are cheap as hell, last forever on their batteries, and for end-users are effectively immune to malware, adware, and privacy .
FTFY.
After all, what do students or grandmothers need with privacy, anyway, right?
So, tell me, where's that keyboard on your fondleslab?
I thought so.
Why, right HERE, of course...
Google's Pixel is an exception to that. I've got a Pixel2 at work with 16G ram and is running an i7. (I run xUbuntu on it rather than ChromeOs though).
But it's also as expensive ($999 for 4 GB, $1299 for your 16GB model) as a MacBook (non-pro) ($999 with 8 GB), or a MacBook Air (which start out at $899 and TOP OUT at $1399, just $100 over the 16GB Pixel2), or heck, even the low-end Retina MacBook PRO is only $1299 (with 8 GB), ALL of which also are REAL computers, not just a glorified "thin client", that runs a REAL, Certified UNIX as its native OS (rather than a bastardized, cloud-bound, pseudo-Linux (which of course is a pseudo-UNIX)).
Why anyone would by a Pixel over a MacBook is beyond me, all brand-loyalty aside.
This is unadulterated Click-bait...
...that worked on you.
And apparently you, too.
Your point being???
Yes macs4all, the fact that chromeos devices, that are basically thin clients are outselling overpriced osx hardware is non-news.
I am sorry dude but I think apple is going to be on a decline for some time;
1) Killed 17' 2) Killed FCP 3) Overpriced Trash Can 4) Soldered Memory to Motherboard
How is apple not just building overly priced chromebooks at this point. The only reason for most of their new marketshare is teenage girls wanting to check their facebooks and yewtubes. All things a chromebook can do.... 90% of users on a mac dont need a full fledged desktop OS.
They killed the 17 MacBook Pro because no one was buying it, and because doing a 17 inch Retina display would have made the laptop price-prohibitive.
They resurrected FCP, and then added-back nearly all the features they removed back into FCPX.
Overpriced Trash Can? Depends on your use-case. I must admit, they should have left the tower, too. So I'll kind of give you that one.
Soldered memory: Required for Windows Certification since WIndows 8 (or 8.1?). Something about "Secure Boot", IIRC. Actually, I didn't realize that; another Slashdotter (a non-Mac-fan, actually) clued me into that.
And if you peek under the hood at OS X, it is VASTLY more robust than ChromeOS, being a Certified UNIX and all. And I dare say that any Mac you purchase will still be looking and running just fine, long after that Chromebook is in the Landfill, or Tech-Recycler's.
I don't know if you're old enough to remember when Apple ruled the education market at all levels. I had the CFO of Apple tell me straight to my face that the "bite" out of the Apple logo represented their undying commitment to education.
Then he (or you) made that up out of whole cloth.
The Bite (byte) out of the Apple was originally to let people more easily recognize the image as an Apple, rather than a Cherry.
Here's the REAL story.
Why is this even a story?
Oh, I know; because it has a reference to Apple/Macs in the Headline.
This is unadulterated Click-bait, nothing more.
Commodore's brand is now thrown around on products that have neither the innovativeness nor the features of the original Commodore computers. In fact the brand has now been prostituted so much, it's all but worthless. I hope the same won't happen with Nokia, but it seems likely.
Oh, you mean like This Filing Cabinet and other office products, that were made by Commodore LONG before they started making computers.
In fact, that's why the Commodore PET had a metal case. Because they could make it "in house".
Dude seriously? Grow up.
When on Slashdot, do as the Slashdotters do...
By the way, nice way of deflecting attention away from your obviously flawed postings.
I don't care that I have Windows 10 on my laptop, in fact, as far as I'm concerned, it's a step up from Windows 8 which my laptop came with.
Then why, oh, why did you CLEARLY state in your Original Post:
I only have Windows 10 on my laptop because I run a vinyl plotter and that's my only option.
WTF, OVER???
If you haven't guessed yet, my laptop is only 1 year old and my vinyl cutting is a part time hobby at best which brings in some residual income for my wife and I.
Why would you assume that I (or anyone, for that matter), would have "guessed" that? (rolls eyes)
And finally, I'm no luddite, but I don't fix what's not broken. If I have something that fits my needs, I keep it. I don't upgrade every CPU refresh cycle or go out and buy the latest and greatest just because. I have better things to do besides measure my Epeen with everyone else online.
If you haven't guessed yet (see how that works?), I don't either.
In fact, my (non-Retina) 2013 MacBook Pro is the very first NEW Computer (of any kind) I have EVER purchased (and I'm 60 years old, and have been using computers since I was 18). I have owned several Macs; but they were either given to me, "dumpster-dived" (diven?), or bought WELL-used off of eBay. I take that back, though. I bought a new Apple ][+ in 1980. But that's IT. And you will notice that my MacBook Pro is now THREE models-behind.
So, STFU, you whiney-ass BITCH!!!
YOU AND WINDOWS 10 DESERVE EACH OTHER!!!
It is when I'm unwilling to purchase a mac to replace the functioning laptop I already own.
Gimme a break!
So, if you had a Functioning 13 inch CRT-based computer monitor, you would NEVER consider replacing it with a 24 inch Flatscreen? If you had. Functioning car, you would NEVER consider replacing it with a newer/better one? The list goes on...
Since I assume you are using a vinyl cutter in a business setting, the cost of a Mac Laptop, iMac or Mac mini (which are only $600 or so) should be easy to absorb, and surely you can find another unfortunate upon whom to foist that "functioning" Windows laptop.
A vinyl designer/cutter-driver could run on ANY Mac with plenty of resources left over. You could purchase a bottom of the line Mac mini for $600, or if you require portability, there are Mac Laptops that start at $999. So, cost just isn't a valid excuse, unless your vinyl cutting business isn't really a viable business anyway.
Or apparently you were just whining to whine about being "Trapped" in Windows 10, Spyware Edition, when I demonstrated with literally 5 seconds on Google, that you most certainly are NOT.
Where does it end?
Here.
Note how these tools might require specific distributions of GNU/Linux
Which is EXACTLY why Linux will LOSE. Every. Single. Time.
Impress... *sigh* Impress... Powerpoint is still far superior.
But isn't Keynote better than both?