Well, me neither; but I would find what they have so far pretty damning.
Would it be convenient for LEOs to have this extra information? Yeah, probably. Is it enough to wad-up and throw-away the Constitution over? Definitely NOT.
And as the Parent pointed out, IT'S A CHROMEBOOK. It shouldn't be compared to a REAL laptop AT ALL.
Except we can make some useful comparisons, enough to know that the Macbook is ridiculously overpriced.
See "Chromebook".
Fancy terminal, who's main purpose in life is to serve as a(nother) data-mining tool for Google. Locked to a wanna-be OS (unless you are willing to put up with massive annoyance every-single-boot). As I said: NOT a general-purpose computer; therefore, no "comparisons", especially to a MacBook PRO, are warranted nor relevant nor "useful", except as pure Clickbait, and that is true ONLY because the Article mentions Apple.
If they have all that other evidence, then any evidence on the laptop is simply "cumulative", and is not necessary to obtaining a guilty verdict.
No. Evidence enough to serve a warrant is not the same as evidence enough to convict. Not even close.
True enough. But THIS is likely enough for a jury (especially considering the nature of the alleged crime), and especially if they can get his sister to testify:
"The way I read it, they were monitoring a known child porn site online and seeing who was accessing it. They traced one of the accesses to this guy. They talked to people and his sister confirmed she'd seen child porn."
They then seized his computer and forensically analyzed it.
Well, maybe they should have anticipated encryption and devised a way to obtain the encryption keys (surveillance, keylogger, whatever).
I agree; but being that this was OS X, there is very little chance that something like a keylogger could have been installed without the user's express consent.
But it was more than just an accusation. The way I read it, they were monitoring a known child porn site online and seeing who was accessing it. They traced one of the accesses to this guy. They talked to people and his sister confirmed she'd seen child porn. They then seized his computer and forensically analyzed it.
If they have all that other evidence, then any evidence on the laptop is simply "cumulative", and is not necessary to obtaining a guilty verdict.
This is just the latest in the government's war on encryption. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think Chrome OS might get interesting very soon, namely because you'll be able to run Android apps in multi-window mode. And given that mobile is all the app rage lately, I don't think you'll find an kind of shortage of things to do on it.
Not that I'll buy this machine mind you, just that Chrome OS *may* see a sudden uptick in consumer demand.
Oh, boy! What a wonderful thing: To be able to run scaled-down, bullshit mobile Apps on your "real" computer.
I simply don't see the attraction. Mobile Apps are for when we need to do things on-the-go; they are RARELY good examples of real, robust Applications (not "Apps").
All touchpads without separate click buttons suck, it's only a question of degree.
What about "touchpads" (trackpads) that have the entire touchpad as a "clicky" button, ala Apple? They are widely regarded as having the hands-down (no pun) best trackpads in the industry, by a very wide margin.
The Macbooks are made by Quanta (they're the only ODM Apple is currently using for their laptops; the old plastic Macbooks were made by Asus/Pegatron).
Sorry, no.
No doubt that Quanta does lots of ODM work for those generic Wintel laptops; but Apple laptops are designed by Apple, period; have been for years.
Quanta is simply a Contract MANUFACTURER used by Apple to BUILD MacBooks. Has been for years.
Same thing for Asus/Pegatron. Contract MANUFACTURER Only.
You apparently don't understand the difference between DESIGN and MANUFACTURING. I can find NO reference to Apple using either of those companies for anything other than Contract MANUFACTURING, not DESIGN work.
That's what I was looking for, but couldn't find for some reason. I was trying to establish a pattern showing that Apple does LOTS of stuff for each major release of OS X, and a good bit of it is entirely "under-the-hood".
So, with that in mind, here is the same PDF for other recent versions of OS X:
Smart phones have reached a state of maturity. They are not improving by leaps and bounds any longer so the upgrade cycle is getting longer. PCs have been that way for a while now and now phones and tablets have reached that point.
Sorry but the days of massive growth are probably over for a while. Maybe if you see a massive increase in the middle class in India, China, Latin America, and or Africa but then you will probably see the growth in local companies and not the current producers like Apple and Samsung.
This is exactly what I said yesterday (that phones and tablets were now a "mature" market), when all the slashtards were out claiming that Apple was doomed, because iPhone sales weren't growing as fast as usual.
OS-9 [wikipedia.org] was/is a great OS. I used it to run a full multi-user multi-tasking system (with preemptive multi-tasking) on my Tandy CoCo back in the day (with 256kB of memory!), and also used it in many industrial embedded systems using a 68K.
I second that; although I didn't know it would run on a CoCo. I worked at a summer job in 1989 as a technician at XYZ Corp., who made primarily OS-9 based industrial control boards. I remember writing a C-Compiler for their 68K board just for fun that produced "ROM-able" code. Incredible multitasking support in OS-9. I grew to really like that OS.
Most of what Intel is pushing (Edison, Galileo, etc) in terms of IoT hardware is more expensive than existing solutions (Raspberry Pi, Arduino) which is pretty antithetical to many IoT applications where what you want is low cost. So I'm a bit skeptical that they are really serious about moving into that space, or at least if they are, they need to up their game. The Pi Zero, or the recently Kickstarted C.H.I.P. ($9 all-in-one computer with wifi and li-poly charging circuit) are much more aligned with IoT applications.
To get most business cases to close, you have big problems to address with respect to cost, power, and connectivity, and from what I'm seeing Intel isn't really fielding anything competitive.
The last time that Intel was seriously in the Embedded game was with the 8051. And even that had some ridiculous design quirks compared to microcontrollers from Motorola, NEC, ST, etc.
I doubt that Apple wants to do that since it is not all that interested in the enterprise market.
That's not exactly true. They just aren't interested in the SERVER market. But in the past few years, they have taken a renewed and serious interest in the enterprise market overall.
Easy, go to some decent on-line place and look at regular 15" etc. laptops, NOT crapblets, tablatops and netbooks and i7 netbooks.
Most have RJ45 etc. and a couple DRAM slots.
Rotating hard drives still widespread but you may not get one, or repurpose it as external back up. Even HDD + SSD is an option (out of the box). Get Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, perhaps Acer then the power connector is a universal featureless round one too.
But, as I said, those are last-generation designs. Anything NEW coming out of most, if not all, laptop mfgs. WILL have Soldered-In RAM. Apparently, in the Wintel world, it is even DICTATED by Microsoft for some sort of "Sleep/Standby" standard (name escapes me) that has existed since Windows 8 to prevent "cold boot attacks".
And since Apple also OFFICIALLY supports Windows (through BootCamp), I would bet that that weighed into their decision to switch to soldered RAM.
So, curiously enough, if you're looking for the REAL "bad guy" when it comes to the universal switch to Soldered RAM (in both the Mac and Wintel worlds), look no farther than MICROSOFT, not Apple.
But if things do go wrong it's really easy for me to ssh in and figure out what's going on because the Linux ecosystem is actually designed to anticipate errors, as opposed to my Mac where I can't tell the difference between an error and stupid interface design.
Sounds like a combination of lack of knowledge and bias, both on your part.
You can ssh into a Mac, too; or you can simply use any VNC Client to do "Screen Sharing" with a Mac (e.g., when on my work Win7 laptop, I use TightVNC). In fact, you can even launch a separate OS X session (using another User Account), and not disturb the GUI of the local user. Note: This capability even allows multiple VNC Clients to use the same Mac simultaneously. Try THAT with Windows out of the box...
Guess you need a little knowledge on remote Mac Administration. Here's an article on "Screen Sharing". And here's how to enable ssh on OS X (hint: the "Screen Sharing" (VNC) Enable is in the same place)
The Surface Pro is a great really portable laptop-like thing, while the iPad Pro - well, is an extremely large iPad that you can't fit in your pocket and can't make calls.
The iPad Pro is obviously a "testing the market" product, that will eventually run the ARM port of OS X (Prediction: Product Name - TouchOS) that Apple is secretly working on.
In fairness they basically were on the verge of bankruptcy in the late 90's, they had to be financially rescued at the time from multiple investors.
Ok, so even if that is true ( and I have heard conflicting reports on that through the years), then I guess we could still honestly say "Proudly going out of business for nearly 20 years." (1997 to 2016).
And quite frankly,,even the most dire quote I could find, that being from Steve Jobs stating that Apple was "90 days from going bankrupt.", wasn't THAT bad, financially-speaking. A LOT of companies operate with that little "cushion" as a matter of course.
Only in America can you hear people complain that a company only had a net income of 10.5 billion dollars. For one quarter. Yeah, poor Apple. Whatever will they do.
what a moronic post. I would think a company that misses their earnings and profit targets would make shareholders upset in ANY country. It means either the company has mislead them or the market has overvalued them, either way it means the shareholders are getting the short end of the stick, Name me one country where people that lose money don't complain?
Or, it means that there is a natural cycle to the sales of ANY product, and that the iPhone is transitioning to a more "mature" product, where the sales figures more track general ups and downs of the market than the always-upward trajectory of a new product.
Oh, so that means your laptop doesn't support InstantGo/Connected Standby, which requires soldered RAM for security reasons (to prevent cold boot attacks).
My laptop has removable ram, and it's only 3 years old.
So does my 3 year old MacBook Pro.
But I said (or rather, implied) that NOW you would be hard-pressed to find a laptop that was a NEW design (that is, the most recent model) that has removable RAM.
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I'm not so sure it is enough, but I'm no expert.
Well, me neither; but I would find what they have so far pretty damning.
Would it be convenient for LEOs to have this extra information? Yeah, probably. Is it enough to wad-up and throw-away the Constitution over? Definitely NOT.
And as the Parent pointed out, IT'S A CHROMEBOOK. It shouldn't be compared to a REAL laptop AT ALL.
Except we can make some useful comparisons, enough to know that the Macbook is ridiculously overpriced.
See "Chromebook".
Fancy terminal, who's main purpose in life is to serve as a(nother) data-mining tool for Google. Locked to a wanna-be OS (unless you are willing to put up with massive annoyance every-single-boot). As I said: NOT a general-purpose computer; therefore, no "comparisons", especially to a MacBook PRO, are warranted nor relevant nor "useful", except as pure Clickbait, and that is true ONLY because the Article mentions Apple.
If they have all that other evidence, then any evidence on the laptop is simply "cumulative", and is not necessary to obtaining a guilty verdict.
No. Evidence enough to serve a warrant is not the same as evidence enough to convict. Not even close.
True enough. But THIS is likely enough for a jury (especially considering the nature of the alleged crime), and especially if they can get his sister to testify:
"The way I read it, they were monitoring a known child porn site online and seeing who was accessing it. They traced one of the accesses to this guy. They talked to people and his sister confirmed she'd seen child porn."
They then seized his computer and forensically analyzed it.
Well, maybe they should have anticipated encryption and devised a way to obtain the encryption keys (surveillance, keylogger, whatever).
I agree; but being that this was OS X, there is very little chance that something like a keylogger could have been installed without the user's express consent.
But it was more than just an accusation. The way I read it, they were monitoring a known child porn site online and seeing who was accessing it. They traced one of the accesses to this guy. They talked to people and his sister confirmed she'd seen child porn. They then seized his computer and forensically analyzed it.
If they have all that other evidence, then any evidence on the laptop is simply "cumulative", and is not necessary to obtaining a guilty verdict.
This is just the latest in the government's war on encryption. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think Chrome OS might get interesting very soon, namely because you'll be able to run Android apps in multi-window mode. And given that mobile is all the app rage lately, I don't think you'll find an kind of shortage of things to do on it.
Not that I'll buy this machine mind you, just that Chrome OS *may* see a sudden uptick in consumer demand.
Oh, boy! What a wonderful thing: To be able to run scaled-down, bullshit mobile Apps on your "real" computer.
I simply don't see the attraction. Mobile Apps are for when we need to do things on-the-go; they are RARELY good examples of real, robust Applications (not "Apps").
Oh and that the touchpad does not suck.
All touchpads without separate click buttons suck, it's only a question of degree.
What about "touchpads" (trackpads) that have the entire touchpad as a "clicky" button, ala Apple? They are widely regarded as having the hands-down (no pun) best trackpads in the industry, by a very wide margin.
The Macbooks are made by Quanta (they're the only ODM Apple is currently using for their laptops; the old plastic Macbooks were made by Asus/Pegatron).
Sorry, no.
No doubt that Quanta does lots of ODM work for those generic Wintel laptops; but Apple laptops are designed by Apple, period; have been for years.
Quanta is simply a Contract MANUFACTURER used by Apple to BUILD MacBooks. Has been for years.
Same thing for Asus/Pegatron. Contract MANUFACTURER Only.
You apparently don't understand the difference between DESIGN and MANUFACTURING. I can find NO reference to Apple using either of those companies for anything other than Contract MANUFACTURING, not DESIGN work.
Prove me wrong.
It ought to cost 800 dollar less, it's a Chromebook.
And an HP.
Exactly!
And why compare it to a MBP? That should be compared to a MacBook Air, or maybe the new MacBook (non-Pro).
And as the Parent pointed out, IT'S A CHROMEBOOK. It shouldn't be compared to a REAL laptop AT ALL.
And it is not like Apple is not making lots of money.
Exactly. That not not true (sorry, couldn't resist!).
Erm, perhaps "It's not yet the year of linux", but hang in there, maybe next year.
I'm sorry; how is that germane?
That's because the exciting stuff isn't happening at the consumer level it's happening at the engineering level.
You're right. But unless you watch the WWDC Keynote, you don't even get to know about those advances, even by Apple.
Here's a nice little PDF just about the changes in El Capitan http://images.apple.com/osx/all-features/pdf/osx_elcapitan_core_technologies_overview.pdf
Thanks!
That's what I was looking for, but couldn't find for some reason. I was trying to establish a pattern showing that Apple does LOTS of stuff for each major release of OS X, and a good bit of it is entirely "under-the-hood".
So, with that in mind, here is the same PDF for other recent versions of OS X:
Yosemite
Mavericks
Mountain Lion
That's all I could find in a 5 minute search; but you get the idea.
Smart phones have reached a state of maturity. They are not improving by leaps and bounds any longer so the upgrade cycle is getting longer. PCs have been that way for a while now and now phones and tablets have reached that point. Sorry but the days of massive growth are probably over for a while. Maybe if you see a massive increase in the middle class in India, China, Latin America, and or Africa but then you will probably see the growth in local companies and not the current producers like Apple and Samsung.
This is exactly what I said yesterday (that phones and tablets were now a "mature" market), when all the slashtards were out claiming that Apple was doomed, because iPhone sales weren't growing as fast as usual.
But, as I suspected, it isn't just Apple...
OS-9 [wikipedia.org] was/is a great OS. I used it to run a full multi-user multi-tasking system (with preemptive multi-tasking) on my Tandy CoCo back in the day (with 256kB of memory!), and also used it in many industrial embedded systems using a 68K.
I second that; although I didn't know it would run on a CoCo. I worked at a summer job in 1989 as a technician at XYZ Corp., who made primarily OS-9 based industrial control boards. I remember writing a C-Compiler for their 68K board just for fun that produced "ROM-able" code. Incredible multitasking support in OS-9. I grew to really like that OS.
Is there anything more that has to be said?
Most of what Intel is pushing (Edison, Galileo, etc) in terms of IoT hardware is more expensive than existing solutions (Raspberry Pi, Arduino) which is pretty antithetical to many IoT applications where what you want is low cost. So I'm a bit skeptical that they are really serious about moving into that space, or at least if they are, they need to up their game. The Pi Zero, or the recently Kickstarted C.H.I.P. ($9 all-in-one computer with wifi and li-poly charging circuit) are much more aligned with IoT applications.
To get most business cases to close, you have big problems to address with respect to cost, power, and connectivity, and from what I'm seeing Intel isn't really fielding anything competitive.
The last time that Intel was seriously in the Embedded game was with the 8051. And even that had some ridiculous design quirks compared to microcontrollers from Motorola, NEC, ST, etc.
I doubt that Apple wants to do that since it is not all that interested in the enterprise market.
That's not exactly true. They just aren't interested in the SERVER market. But in the past few years, they have taken a renewed and serious interest in the enterprise market overall.
Dig down into this deceptively-fluffy page. There's actually a lot of information there.
Easy, go to some decent on-line place and look at regular 15" etc. laptops, NOT crapblets, tablatops and netbooks and i7 netbooks. Most have RJ45 etc. and a couple DRAM slots. Rotating hard drives still widespread but you may not get one, or repurpose it as external back up. Even HDD + SSD is an option (out of the box). Get Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, perhaps Acer then the power connector is a universal featureless round one too.
But, as I said, those are last-generation designs. Anything NEW coming out of most, if not all, laptop mfgs. WILL have Soldered-In RAM. Apparently, in the Wintel world, it is even DICTATED by Microsoft for some sort of "Sleep/Standby" standard (name escapes me) that has existed since Windows 8 to prevent "cold boot attacks".
And since Apple also OFFICIALLY supports Windows (through BootCamp), I would bet that that weighed into their decision to switch to soldered RAM.
So, curiously enough, if you're looking for the REAL "bad guy" when it comes to the universal switch to Soldered RAM (in both the Mac and Wintel worlds), look no farther than MICROSOFT, not Apple.
Jus' Sayin'...
But if things do go wrong it's really easy for me to ssh in and figure out what's going on because the Linux ecosystem is actually designed to anticipate errors, as opposed to my Mac where I can't tell the difference between an error and stupid interface design.
Sounds like a combination of lack of knowledge and bias, both on your part.
You can ssh into a Mac, too; or you can simply use any VNC Client to do "Screen Sharing" with a Mac (e.g., when on my work Win7 laptop, I use TightVNC). In fact, you can even launch a separate OS X session (using another User Account), and not disturb the GUI of the local user. Note: This capability even allows multiple VNC Clients to use the same Mac simultaneously. Try THAT with Windows out of the box...
Guess you need a little knowledge on remote Mac Administration. Here's an article on "Screen Sharing". And here's how to enable ssh on OS X (hint: the "Screen Sharing" (VNC) Enable is in the same place)
The Surface Pro is a great really portable laptop-like thing, while the iPad Pro - well, is an extremely large iPad that you can't fit in your pocket and can't make calls.
The iPad Pro is obviously a "testing the market" product, that will eventually run the ARM port of OS X (Prediction: Product Name - TouchOS) that Apple is secretly working on.
Apple is living on borrowed time. They need to come out with something disruptive, but all they can do is incremental upgrades.
Yeah, but with their cash reserves and NO DEBT, they can sit and play Sodoku in the Apple Cafeteria for about two decades before anyone even notices.
In fairness they basically were on the verge of bankruptcy in the late 90's, they had to be financially rescued at the time from multiple investors.
Ok, so even if that is true ( and I have heard conflicting reports on that through the years), then I guess we could still honestly say "Proudly going out of business for nearly 20 years." (1997 to 2016).
And quite frankly,,even the most dire quote I could find, that being from Steve Jobs stating that Apple was "90 days from going bankrupt.", wasn't THAT bad, financially-speaking. A LOT of companies operate with that little "cushion" as a matter of course.
Only in America can you hear people complain that a company only had a net income of 10.5 billion dollars. For one quarter. Yeah, poor Apple. Whatever will they do.
what a moronic post. I would think a company that misses their earnings and profit targets would make shareholders upset in ANY country. It means either the company has mislead them or the market has overvalued them, either way it means the shareholders are getting the short end of the stick, Name me one country where people that lose money don't complain?
Or, it means that there is a natural cycle to the sales of ANY product, and that the iPhone is transitioning to a more "mature" product, where the sales figures more track general ups and downs of the market than the always-upward trajectory of a new product.
Oh, so that means your laptop doesn't support InstantGo/Connected Standby, which requires soldered RAM for security reasons (to prevent cold boot attacks).
WTF is that? Is that a Windows thing, or what?
My laptop has removable ram, and it's only 3 years old.
So does my 3 year old MacBook Pro.
But I said (or rather, implied) that NOW you would be hard-pressed to find a laptop that was a NEW design (that is, the most recent model) that has removable RAM.