In the 1970s a lot of US States adopted the Square Dance as the Official State Dance to try to convince people that hippies are destroying "American culture," and did not simply represent the current state of culture.
It sounds like a really stupid theory I made up myself, but there are numerous examples. It isn't just about dancing. Blaming hippies for the "death of America" is an actual thing, as stupid as it sounds.
Slashdot editors: lose the politics, lose the dumb-as-fuck submissions like this one, and put some stories about science, math, computing and technology on the Slashdot front page! That's the key to success!
I have a box full AVRs, and no Arduinos. I do things the way the snobs want. But they're mostly full of shit; this way is better for me, and perhaps better for engineers, but that doesn't tell me about what is good for other people. And I sure as heck am not going to pay $50, or $250, for a dev kit. If I was worried about providing the correct amount of power or whatever, or wanted a pre-installed bootloader, arduino would be a good starting place. You can use normal non-arduino AVR code on them, anyways.
But for me, I wish I had bought a $10 arduino and installed software to make it into an AVR programmer. Not because the $15 costs more, but simply because they played games with the USB ids so that I have to edit the avrdude config on a system before I can use it. Minor, minor complaint, but I did resent paying $5 extra for the pleasure, when it is the exact same firmware in both cases. The funny part? The programmer is made by one of the official arduino companies.
As somebody who mostly agrees with the sentiment, I think you're overstepping by slagging on the stuff that you don't respect.
I'd rather use an AVR directly than use the Arduino, probably because I would have read the data sheet either way, and the Arduino C code doesn't appear to provide any benefits other than not being compatible with other AVR code.
But the pi is only intended to be an educational toy. They weren't trying to make an engineering platform. It sucks in various ways, but they needed it to be cheap. They used a sucky chip that is a black box, because the company provided them some assistance in getting off the ground. They just want a cheap doodad that gives students a way in to learn about the software. It isn't a toy for EE design, it is a toy for beginners to get excited about computing in a non-desktop-OS setting, and for more advanced students to get fairly close to the metal with software, without having to be reading datasheets because they're still just kids.
I'm skeptical that their students have that much use for technology, but that would be true even with better engineered, more expensive devices. The important thing is, the kids end up having fun with it. So it is clearly a technical success, even if the engineering is warty.
Your communications are all logged, because you post on slashdot, and *I* (and others here) have visited the Linux Journal website, which is flagged as a radical dissident publication.
Being flagged as a potential radical dissident will not, alone, get you on the no-fly-list.
But being on existing lists increases the chances that you will also get placed on other lists.
And black hat stuff is evil and illegal shit. People doing that stuff are dangerous. Buying books on criminal subjects will not alone get you in trouble. But it can get you on lists that interfere with travel. You might find that when you travel, you get searched a lot more often. "Randomly."
I don't care if people buy the book. Stick it to the man! Yeah, whatever. Freedom Fries. I'm merely concerned it is insensitive to the authors of the books on "maker" stuff to be sold as packages with "black-hat break-into-computers" stuff. These are not related things, or the same meaning of the word "hack."
Wow, it's been years since I saw a first post basically just say everything that needs to be said and end discussion. I don't know if I should be impressed, or if this "ask slashdot" is just that stupid. But I'm not going to try to get that answer. LOL thanks
Wow, you must get out a lot more than any human could, to see the whole world all the time, and have time to write down the address of every new business and every closed business!
Oh, you thought I meant a person couldn't make a wild guess! Oh, sure they could. But it wouldn't have value, or tell them if there are more or less stores than there were before.
None of the companies I work with care if a person, place, or thing "sounds like a... ladyboy." If a person wants to be a ladyboy, that is fine with us. If they want to identify as a man or woman instead, that is fine too.
But if they make non-technical complaints about technical things, or have a passionate dislike for something that is merely not their first technical preference, then they're out the door, and if they don't want their desk contents in the mail, they'll sign the paperwork and leave promptly.
No, I've never worked at github. Yes, we prefer systemd. So that is the only reason not to use Devuan. It lacks important modern software.
One of my friends is a ladyboy. Some people think he should either stop wearing dresses, or at least shave his legs. I think, if he wants to have hairy legs and three days of stubble and wear a foofy dress, who cares? If it's warm out, I'm going to wear my cargo shorts and I'm not interested in people's opinions of it. Same.
My first linux was slackware 3.0 which I got by buying a magazine that had the CD glued to the cover. Then I spent 3 days downloading a newer slackware over dialup. Before that I had to telnet into my ISP's SunOS 4 box if I wanted some *nix.
Throwing my hat in with, "a hell of an improvement [over SysV]."
The types of "technical complaints" people come up with... they aren't even enough of a challenge to make the daily list of sysadmin annoyances. They're all just small changes people would have to make in which program is in the first part of a long chain of piped commands. I mean, if getting ASCII logs is hard, what would happen if you needed to pipe the output through sed and on to xargs to do some work with it?
I value having frivolous boxes around that I can just "do whatever" with, but I value even more having root on boxes that I wouldn't alter frivolously.
You lied, he called you on it, you tried to defend, the documentation you pointed at shows you had a problem with your distro, and are lying about it to blame systemd.
Learn how to set up your raid next time. Take responsibility for your mistakes. There are lots of sysadmins here, you can't avoid being a liar just by calling names afterwards.
LOL there are often some non-ASCII chars in the logs, and there are always were.
All you have to do is type "bar" instead of "foo" and you'll be reading the text-only log, because that is how the tools work.
Your idea that you'd need to rewrite something to find an exit code from a log because the log is binary is hilarious; it shows that you don't actually use logs that way, don't understand what the word "binary" means here, and you don't actually have the problem that you claim exists.
The absolute worst case would be going from: foo | grep baz
to bar | grep baz
Modern web frameworks often spew ANSI color codes into the logs. And people who don't like that... turn them off. ZOMG end of the world, you had to learn the very basics of using the command line for things, to use the command line for something.
In the old days we didn't even have libreoffice; people would send us microsoft word files and we'd have to type catdoc foo.doc | less
Meanwhile some jerk was telling us, "you can't even read a word document, because its binary!"
And BTW, I'm on a systemd distro right now and I can still say sudo tail/var/log/messages
and nothing has changed. One thing that has changed, dmesg output is colored these days; if I just say sudo dmesg
and then press control-C, my poor terminal might have colored text because of the ANSI color codes. Oh, no, destroyed by binary! Oh, wait, I just needed to type reset to fix the terminal. Or remember to do dmesg | tail in the first place.
And stuff breaks because it relies on specific, unspecified behaviour? Sounds to me like that stuff is broken, not systemd. In any case, the logical thing seems to be to fix the broken stuff so that it is more reliable and more compatible.
Yeah, but if they actually made a specific claim about something being broken, one of those know-it-all systemd users would just go and fix it for them, and they'd lose the whole complaint. You're trying to ruin perfectly good straw men.
When people whine to me about systemd in person, I tell them straight up; find a real bug or problem and I will personally slay it for you. Nobody has ever been able to cite a real bug, that they actually had, though all of them have a cousin's friend's brother's wife's friend's cousin who has a box in a closet that no longer boots because it visited the wrong network and contracted systemditis.
Just use which one you want. If you're hating on things you don't use, after you realized you didn't want to use them, that is an unrelated non-technical problem.
Users are not morally obligated. They're just users.
If you're not experienced enough to pipe somebinaryfile.foo through footobar so that you can use it with other command line files, then you're fibbing about having any use for such a difference.;)
There's actually more independent bookstores this year than there were last year, according to the site, which argues that "In a world of tweets and algorithms and pageless digital downloads, bookstores are not a dying anachronism. They are living, breathing organisms that continue to grow and expand."
If they are really growing and expanding, you wouldn't really need to tell people about it.
Those of us who shop at bookstores didn't need to be told about them. And yet, we wouldn't know if there are more or less overall.
I don't think you really thought your comment through though.
If the claim was, "bookstores have replaced all other forms of store," then it would be reasonable to presume that you'd have had to know about it for it to be true. But simply increasing in number? Why would that be obvious? Most people shopping at bookstores wouldn't know about a new bookstore across town. It seems more likely that only the people in the same part of town as the new store would even know about it, and they wouldn't have any idea at all if there were more new stores opening than old stores closing.
Maybe, just maybe, bookstores are about books, not about telepathy? If you thought the bookstores were just telepathically broadcasting knowledge out into the community, then your comment would make sense. But what if they're selling books? Then your comment wouldn't make sense at all.
That one sounds good, but then they bundled a bunch of black-hat crap that is going to get people on the no-fly-list along with freakin' maker books. Because, "hackers," I guess. Fucking clueless, and not even harmlessly clueless.
Andrew Huang's book is probably good. Too bad they had to bundle him with that crap.
China is in the process of shrinking the number of soldiers they have, so they can modernize and have a high tech military instead.
Yeah, good luck with that shit. The only way China is scary right now is if they use their numbers.
Right, they probably have other users for their military than scaring some random guy on the internet.
In fact, looking around the world, there is no country or even non-State actors who would have any reason to care what you think.
OTOH, every military analysis available says that they've been working on a major modernization plan for a long time and they've already made a bunch of progress.
Where do you live that their numbers are scary? Vietnam? Even their other neighbors are more worried about the modernization of the navy and their aggressive moves claiming territory in the Pacific. How many soldiers are on those disputed islands? Dozens?
What are they going to do, march a million soldiers across Asia to Europe? That would be comically easy to stop. Same if they tried to attack some nation with that many soldiers... in troop transport boats. "Hi, we're attacking you, please don't sink our ships while we offload into your territory for the next 6 months! Thank You!" No, not likely.
For defense they're marginally more useful, as a guy with small arms can at least act as a scout. But a million scout army isn't really a thing. For real reasons.
It is narrower than that. Right now, a District Judge can already grant the warrant regardless of location, but magistrates (who are appointed by a different system and don't have full powers) can only grant warrants within their district.
If it is outside the US, a warrant has to be sought from the jurisdiction it is in. This doesn't try to address that. This simply solves the problem that District Judges have different jurisdictional boundaries than the magistrates below them, and there are narrow cases where you want the magistrate to be able to issue a broader warrant. Generally, magistrates are the ones issuing warrants because there are more of them, and they are the less important people who do that sort of routine grunt work.
How do they define "concealed"? Serious question... because if the definition is overbroad...
If the application of a statute, rule, or legal principle is over-broad then that is one the reasons that the same Supreme Court agrees to hear challenges. So there is no worry there. The same people that made this change will be the ones that it goes back if it is misapplied.
If it was Congress making the change, then there would be more cause for concern; the application could be over-broad, but it could be unclear to the Court that it was broader than Congress intended. That happens all the time. Here, an over-broad application will be rather obvious to the Court, since they're the ones who came up with the idea of how broad the rule should be.
"Concealed" doesn't mean "I can't see it." Verbs have meaning in law, and "conceal" is an action, not simply an attribute. Some action or choice between things where you've taken an effort to "conceal" will be required; for example, using a VPN. The problem with the way you construct your statement of concern is that you use the word "hidden," which is also a verb. Yes, if it is clear you took steps to hide it from view, then it is concealed. If it is information that would not normally be visible to them, then it is simply not visible, but has not been concealed or hidden.
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In the 1970s a lot of US States adopted the Square Dance as the Official State Dance to try to convince people that hippies are destroying "American culture," and did not simply represent the current state of culture.
It sounds like a really stupid theory I made up myself, but there are numerous examples. It isn't just about dancing. Blaming hippies for the "death of America" is an actual thing, as stupid as it sounds.
Oh, some on, you can't expect a pedant to know what a species is when complaining about the designation, can you?
Doesn't he get bonus points for saying "they specifically mean" while not knowing what a specific epithet is?
Slashdot editors: lose the politics, lose the dumb-as-fuck submissions like this one, and put some stories about science, math, computing and technology on the Slashdot front page! That's the key to success!
What makes you think they care about "success?"
I have a box full AVRs, and no Arduinos. I do things the way the snobs want. But they're mostly full of shit; this way is better for me, and perhaps better for engineers, but that doesn't tell me about what is good for other people. And I sure as heck am not going to pay $50, or $250, for a dev kit. If I was worried about providing the correct amount of power or whatever, or wanted a pre-installed bootloader, arduino would be a good starting place. You can use normal non-arduino AVR code on them, anyways.
But for me, I wish I had bought a $10 arduino and installed software to make it into an AVR programmer. Not because the $15 costs more, but simply because they played games with the USB ids so that I have to edit the avrdude config on a system before I can use it. Minor, minor complaint, but I did resent paying $5 extra for the pleasure, when it is the exact same firmware in both cases. The funny part? The programmer is made by one of the official arduino companies.
As somebody who mostly agrees with the sentiment, I think you're overstepping by slagging on the stuff that you don't respect.
I'd rather use an AVR directly than use the Arduino, probably because I would have read the data sheet either way, and the Arduino C code doesn't appear to provide any benefits other than not being compatible with other AVR code.
But the pi is only intended to be an educational toy. They weren't trying to make an engineering platform. It sucks in various ways, but they needed it to be cheap. They used a sucky chip that is a black box, because the company provided them some assistance in getting off the ground. They just want a cheap doodad that gives students a way in to learn about the software. It isn't a toy for EE design, it is a toy for beginners to get excited about computing in a non-desktop-OS setting, and for more advanced students to get fairly close to the metal with software, without having to be reading datasheets because they're still just kids.
I'm skeptical that their students have that much use for technology, but that would be true even with better engineered, more expensive devices. The important thing is, the kids end up having fun with it. So it is clearly a technical success, even if the engineering is warty.
Your communications are all logged, because you post on slashdot, and *I* (and others here) have visited the Linux Journal website, which is flagged as a radical dissident publication.
Being flagged as a potential radical dissident will not, alone, get you on the no-fly-list.
But being on existing lists increases the chances that you will also get placed on other lists.
And black hat stuff is evil and illegal shit. People doing that stuff are dangerous. Buying books on criminal subjects will not alone get you in trouble. But it can get you on lists that interfere with travel. You might find that when you travel, you get searched a lot more often. "Randomly."
I don't care if people buy the book. Stick it to the man! Yeah, whatever. Freedom Fries. I'm merely concerned it is insensitive to the authors of the books on "maker" stuff to be sold as packages with "black-hat break-into-computers" stuff. These are not related things, or the same meaning of the word "hack."
Wow, it's been years since I saw a first post basically just say everything that needs to be said and end discussion. I don't know if I should be impressed, or if this "ask slashdot" is just that stupid. But I'm not going to try to get that answer. LOL thanks
Right, distros solved the problem without systemd's help... because it was their bug, not systemd's! duh. Stop lying about it.
Wow, you must get out a lot more than any human could, to see the whole world all the time, and have time to write down the address of every new business and every closed business!
Oh, you thought I meant a person couldn't make a wild guess! Oh, sure they could. But it wouldn't have value, or tell them if there are more or less stores than there were before.
On the Fedora side, they have "spins" and it is really easy to maintain your own subset of packages without forking anything.
Maybe "fork and wither" is a Debian thing I just don't understand?
None of the companies I work with care if a person, place, or thing "sounds like a... ladyboy." If a person wants to be a ladyboy, that is fine with us. If they want to identify as a man or woman instead, that is fine too.
But if they make non-technical complaints about technical things, or have a passionate dislike for something that is merely not their first technical preference, then they're out the door, and if they don't want their desk contents in the mail, they'll sign the paperwork and leave promptly.
No, I've never worked at github. Yes, we prefer systemd. So that is the only reason not to use Devuan. It lacks important modern software.
One of my friends is a ladyboy. Some people think he should either stop wearing dresses, or at least shave his legs. I think, if he wants to have hairy legs and three days of stubble and wear a foofy dress, who cares? If it's warm out, I'm going to wear my cargo shorts and I'm not interested in people's opinions of it. Same.
My first linux was slackware 3.0 which I got by buying a magazine that had the CD glued to the cover. Then I spent 3 days downloading a newer slackware over dialup. Before that I had to telnet into my ISP's SunOS 4 box if I wanted some *nix.
Throwing my hat in with, "a hell of an improvement [over SysV]."
The types of "technical complaints" people come up with... they aren't even enough of a challenge to make the daily list of sysadmin annoyances. They're all just small changes people would have to make in which program is in the first part of a long chain of piped commands. I mean, if getting ASCII logs is hard, what would happen if you needed to pipe the output through sed and on to xargs to do some work with it?
I value having frivolous boxes around that I can just "do whatever" with, but I value even more having root on boxes that I wouldn't alter frivolously.
You lied, he called you on it, you tried to defend, the documentation you pointed at shows you had a problem with your distro, and are lying about it to blame systemd.
Learn how to set up your raid next time. Take responsibility for your mistakes. There are lots of sysadmins here, you can't avoid being a liar just by calling names afterwards.
LOL there are often some non-ASCII chars in the logs, and there are always were.
All you have to do is type "bar" instead of "foo" and you'll be reading the text-only log, because that is how the tools work.
Your idea that you'd need to rewrite something to find an exit code from a log because the log is binary is hilarious; it shows that you don't actually use logs that way, don't understand what the word "binary" means here, and you don't actually have the problem that you claim exists.
The absolute worst case would be going from:
foo | grep baz
to
bar | grep baz
Modern web frameworks often spew ANSI color codes into the logs. And people who don't like that... turn them off. ZOMG end of the world, you had to learn the very basics of using the command line for things, to use the command line for something.
In the old days we didn't even have libreoffice; people would send us microsoft word files and we'd have to type
catdoc foo.doc | less
Meanwhile some jerk was telling us, "you can't even read a word document, because its binary!"
And BTW, I'm on a systemd distro right now and I can still say
/var/log/messages
sudo tail
and nothing has changed. One thing that has changed, dmesg output is colored these days; if I just say
sudo dmesg
and then press control-C, my poor terminal might have colored text because of the ANSI color codes. Oh, no, destroyed by binary! Oh, wait, I just needed to type reset to fix the terminal. Or remember to do dmesg | tail in the first place.
And stuff breaks because it relies on specific, unspecified behaviour? Sounds to me like that stuff is broken, not systemd. In any case, the logical thing seems to be to fix the broken stuff so that it is more reliable and more compatible.
Yeah, but if they actually made a specific claim about something being broken, one of those know-it-all systemd users would just go and fix it for them, and they'd lose the whole complaint. You're trying to ruin perfectly good straw men.
When people whine to me about systemd in person, I tell them straight up; find a real bug or problem and I will personally slay it for you. Nobody has ever been able to cite a real bug, that they actually had, though all of them have a cousin's friend's brother's wife's friend's cousin who has a box in a closet that no longer boots because it visited the wrong network and contracted systemditis.
Seriously, who cares how fast it boots?
*raises hand*
Given booting faster, or booting slower, I'll take faster.
You can cut that down further.
"Users are not morally obligated."
Just use which one you want. If you're hating on things you don't use, after you realized you didn't want to use them, that is an unrelated non-technical problem.
Users are not morally obligated. They're just users.
If you're not experienced enough to pipe somebinaryfile.foo through footobar so that you can use it with other command line files, then you're fibbing about having any use for such a difference. ;)
If they are really growing and expanding, you wouldn't really need to tell people about it.
Those of us who shop at bookstores didn't need to be told about them. And yet, we wouldn't know if there are more or less overall.
I don't think you really thought your comment through though.
If the claim was, "bookstores have replaced all other forms of store," then it would be reasonable to presume that you'd have had to know about it for it to be true. But simply increasing in number? Why would that be obvious? Most people shopping at bookstores wouldn't know about a new bookstore across town. It seems more likely that only the people in the same part of town as the new store would even know about it, and they wouldn't have any idea at all if there were more new stores opening than old stores closing.
Maybe, just maybe, bookstores are about books, not about telepathy? If you thought the bookstores were just telepathically broadcasting knowledge out into the community, then your comment would make sense. But what if they're selling books? Then your comment wouldn't make sense at all.
Don't forget to include an idea with your comment next time, ideas are a critically important part of any exchange of ideas.
That one sounds good, but then they bundled a bunch of black-hat crap that is going to get people on the no-fly-list along with freakin' maker books. Because, "hackers," I guess. Fucking clueless, and not even harmlessly clueless.
Andrew Huang's book is probably good. Too bad they had to bundle him with that crap.
China is in the process of shrinking the number of soldiers they have, so they can modernize and have a high tech military instead.
Yeah, good luck with that shit. The only way China is scary right now is if they use their numbers.
Right, they probably have other users for their military than scaring some random guy on the internet.
In fact, looking around the world, there is no country or even non-State actors who would have any reason to care what you think.
OTOH, every military analysis available says that they've been working on a major modernization plan for a long time and they've already made a bunch of progress.
Where do you live that their numbers are scary? Vietnam? Even their other neighbors are more worried about the modernization of the navy and their aggressive moves claiming territory in the Pacific. How many soldiers are on those disputed islands? Dozens?
What are they going to do, march a million soldiers across Asia to Europe? That would be comically easy to stop. Same if they tried to attack some nation with that many soldiers... in troop transport boats. "Hi, we're attacking you, please don't sink our ships while we offload into your territory for the next 6 months! Thank You!" No, not likely.
For defense they're marginally more useful, as a guy with small arms can at least act as a scout. But a million scout army isn't really a thing. For real reasons.
It is narrower than that. Right now, a District Judge can already grant the warrant regardless of location, but magistrates (who are appointed by a different system and don't have full powers) can only grant warrants within their district.
If it is outside the US, a warrant has to be sought from the jurisdiction it is in. This doesn't try to address that. This simply solves the problem that District Judges have different jurisdictional boundaries than the magistrates below them, and there are narrow cases where you want the magistrate to be able to issue a broader warrant. Generally, magistrates are the ones issuing warrants because there are more of them, and they are the less important people who do that sort of routine grunt work.
How do they define "concealed"? Serious question... because if the definition is overbroad...
If the application of a statute, rule, or legal principle is over-broad then that is one the reasons that the same Supreme Court agrees to hear challenges. So there is no worry there. The same people that made this change will be the ones that it goes back if it is misapplied.
If it was Congress making the change, then there would be more cause for concern; the application could be over-broad, but it could be unclear to the Court that it was broader than Congress intended. That happens all the time. Here, an over-broad application will be rather obvious to the Court, since they're the ones who came up with the idea of how broad the rule should be.
"Concealed" doesn't mean "I can't see it." Verbs have meaning in law, and "conceal" is an action, not simply an attribute. Some action or choice between things where you've taken an effort to "conceal" will be required; for example, using a VPN. The problem with the way you construct your statement of concern is that you use the word "hidden," which is also a verb. Yes, if it is clear you took steps to hide it from view, then it is concealed. If it is information that would not normally be visible to them, then it is simply not visible, but has not been concealed or hidden.