That's the conclusion of many historians. The space between them is often referred to as the "Interwar Period." or similar. Without the former, the latter would probably have never happened. The treaty was more a armistice and the League of Nations was a joke that was more political and had no actual power to respond.
The two are very much related, even if only just because of WWI resulted in the Treaty of Versailles (spelling?) which pretty much told Germany that they could have no modern weapons, no military force, very little research, lost a bunch of land, and - perhaps more importantly, that they owed a metric butt-ton of cash to cover the expenses from the war. Germany was considered to be at fault and got pretty much no say, at all, in the Treaty.
They were invited in to sign it and that was about it. Everyone happily agreed (except for Germany) that the Germans were entirely to blame and owed reparations.
I watch a bunch of documentaries to the point where that's all I watch, almost exclusively. I don't own and haven't had a television. I watch them as entertainment, not a scholarly work. However, I've found that it is essential to watch them from multiple perspectives. Many of them are full of propaganda or outright misinformation. It's good to be able to watch and learn from the different views.
Had WWI ended differently, it's a near certainty that WWII would not have happened in the manner that it did. It might not have even happened at all.
The Byzantines were the Romans, in part. The Eastern and Western Roman Empire was eventually split. Yes, yes they were invaders. They were mad, killing, resource stealing invaders trying to hold onto their ill gotten gains - much of it from a populist uprising more so than a foreign invasion. Yes it matters if we want to discuss why they were really doing things.
A 'waist of state dollars,' eh? Now I'm picturing Uncle Sam with a big ol' fat money belt. Said belt is probably overflowing and dropping money onto the ground. Various people are sneaking in and stealing some from the back. Some are on the ground fighting for dropped scraps.
For the second time, in one thread, I'm reminded of Emo Philips.
"So, I was at the library in New York the other day. I told the librarian that I would like to get a card. Well, he said, "You'll have to prove that you're a citizen of New York - blah meah bmeha leamah." So, I stabbed him..."
Hmm... Sounds a bit like the caricature of the "SJW" or the "Liberals." They want the rich to be as poor as they. They will shout down those who have different views instead of listening and considering alternatives. They don't like that other cultures (or people) have different views. If you look at them funny or anything else they'll find it as a cause to be outraged and become keyboard warriors, pull fire alarms, or complain until someone loses a job. They rely on numbers and noise rather than individual strength. And so on and so forth.
I originally started my reply as a tongue-in-cheek thing. I think it should be said that I'm probably further to the left than any elected "liberal" in my country. I could go on and all but, I guess, I'd figure that it's much to do about fear and a desire to control and it's not limited to just Christians. The idea that it is your fault is absurd! We can't have that personal responsibility thing. It's just easier to blame something/others than it is to try to change yourself. With some introspection, you'd probably find you're just as guilty - and I suspect we all are.
Now, I ain't never been no scholar of Mooslims but it says in the Crayon, Haji Al Quadia, verses 15-22; "Achoo Akbar and blessed is his Profit (PBUH). Bitch, you so ugly that you've doomed all women from here to the hereafter. You shall go and covereth your ugly mug so as to stop the dogs from howling in pain whenever you pass. And if thoust doth remove thy covering then thoust shall be neigh more than a prostitute and the punishment shall be swift and mighty. For lo, doth Allah and the Profit (PBUH) despiseth the ugly ones and need to protect our vision so that we might be holy in front of the LORD."
They could always stand on the side of the road and pray for a ride. I'm reminded of Emo Philips, at this point, and as digression is the name of the game, you too will now be reminded of him. To paraphrase...
All summer long, I wanted a bicycle just like Jimmy Peterson's. So, every night, I prayed and prayed and prayed for God to give me a bicycle. Then, I realized God doesn't work like that. So, I stole it and prayed for forgiveness.
I had an old Saab 900S Turbo that was set up to rally. Well, more a cross between rally and still being street legal. We have something called "The Golden Road" in Maine.
Anyhow, the car had helmets that affixed to the rear of the seats and five point restraints, etc... It was loads of fun. Wearing a helmet was optional while on the main road but was mandatory when we left the pavement or got onto private drives.
The car developed severe mechanical issues that were more effort to repair than it was worth so the bits were stripped out and it was junked. They've not yet made their way into a new automobile but I'm actually thinking about putting a skid plate under an R model Volvo from the mid 1990s and stiffening it up, adding the cage, and changing the seats and restraints.
Point being, yeah, you can wear a helmet. We wore them in the car all the time. It was just too fun. Sure, sometimes we'd get the cops following us but it was worth it and having them waste time following us was a bonus.
I'm rather disappointed by your reply. Think of the poor Juggalos in their make up!
Seriously, for the purpose of driving a car - I agree, to some extent. For everything else, I disagree. I think that should be setup by the owners of the facilities. If they wish to disallow facial coverings then, by all means, they should be able to do so but it needs to be enforced consistently and equally - the same with a bus, be it municipal of private. I don't think you should be telling those facilities how they must operate their business.
I am not white. I've had very similar things happen - even recently. Even very recently. Hell, I've been caught driving without my license. They just look me up, confirm my SSN, and I'm on my way. Worse, not too long ago, I drove straight across a park (it was raining and looked like a one way street) and was just let go before I even found my license.
Err... I'm a little white? I'm a mutt. The largest percentage of me is Amerindian, then comes Western European, and then some Black African. I actually look Asian or Hispanic and am kind of a chameleon. But no, I'm definitely not white looking - except in the summer when everyone else gets dark.
I figured I'd highlight 'em - it was the only way I'd find 'em. I originally got the information from a documentary with, I think, Dr. Bettany Hughes. I don't recall the name but that's where I got the information - as well as several others. You can argue with them, if you'd like. You might really want to look at the history of the crusades. Let's start with, how was it their land to begin with? (I'll give ya a hint - they *were* the invaders.)
Laws and regulations don't really stop anyone. What they do is establish that they're punishable actions. Laws against murder do not, for example, prevent people from murdering others.
Oh, that's awful. I'm quasi-fluent in Spanish and I've picked up pidgin French but, worse, it's not really French. It's the bastard dialect used in Quebec. See, I live right next to it. So, I've learned to speak it - in a fashion. Thinking that this would be adequate, not too many years ago, I meandered from the UK to France via automobile (which is another story). I did not do my research and I have no idea what I actually said to those poor, innocent, French people. I don't know if I insulted them or if I just spouted gibberish.
I guess, I'm sort of hoping for the former but I suspect it was the latter.
It sort of stems from the days when I'd mistakenly call a fax machine or someone's modem. I'd bing, beep, and chirp back at them. I don't know what I was saying but I hoped I was printing a picture or connecting to their BBS. Lacking any pride, I'd generally keep going until the machine stopped making noises back at me. All these years and I still don't know what I said but we had a supplier who had a number that was easy to get wrong. I think their fax machine and I had a good relationship going.
Said supplier once picked up the phone that was attached to their fax machine (as they were back then) while I was happily chirping and binging away in my office. He asked who I was, what I was doing, and so I explained. He thought that it was amusing and vowed to try it. He also told me that he'd consider trying to catch the fax machine in action in the future and trying binging, beeping, and chirping at the inbound call.
No, I have no idea where I'm going with this. I just figured I'd share 'cause it's what I do.
Err... Both of the things I mentioned are examples of resources or ways to acquire resources. I'm not sure I follow. I linked a nice scholarly work in another reply - they appeared to argue with me (even though they were talking about retaking territory - which is still about resources) but you appear to be agreeing with me so I'm not sure what I'm missing?
I know where you're coming from but, if I may, how many router bugs have you fixed over the years? I ask because, a long time ago - in the tech dark ages, I had a router building (modification, really) project which enabled us to connect a plotter to a network. Now, it was mostly a spare time project, I admit, but by the time we were done, such was commercially available. If I counted the man-hours that went into this, well... I'm not doing that math. Let's just say it was a pointless exercise that was almost entirely driven by ego.
Mostly, so long as you didn't look at it funny, it worked. As of eight years ago, it was still working - I think.
I'm aware that the culture is different, of course. I just don't think that it, directly, is to blame. Additionally, I'll add that I included "everything to lose" in my list. Those would be the ones behind the scenes with the money and power but I didn't want to go into typing out all the many things one could type on that subject as I'm pretty sure you're aware of that problem already.
Nukes aren't the best choice when attacking a neighbor. For a second, I was asking myself, "Wait, am I seriously discussing Germany and France going to war against one another?" Then I was, "Oh yeah, history." I'm sticking with, "It could happen."
No, no... I still haven't come up with a GOOD reason why it might happen. Though, if I look back at the last two conflicts, I am still not able to come up with a GOOD reason for those to have happened. Hmm... Maybe the 2nd. That treaty was rather rough and the inflation was crippling.
I figured that I'd use my little Latin to make them aware that they were wrong in their correction of your post.;-) I understood you, well enough. Then again, my Latin is terrible. It does mean that I do manage well enough if I don't know a word in Spanish, so there's that.
Hmm... In hindsight, we could say that that was the end result of D-Day. So, yeah.
The first Crusade was largely about Muslim expansion. Yes. However, they took anyone in that territory who was converting to be considered expansion. The 2nd through 9th were about them trying to maintain their power. The Aragonese and Northern were absolutely about nothing but power. And with all of the crusades we had lots of power changes, land expansions, and politics.
So, to use WWII, it was more like Germany trying to keep their territory against the onslaught of the Russians.
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That's the conclusion of many historians. The space between them is often referred to as the "Interwar Period." or similar. Without the former, the latter would probably have never happened. The treaty was more a armistice and the League of Nations was a joke that was more political and had no actual power to respond.
The two are very much related, even if only just because of WWI resulted in the Treaty of Versailles (spelling?) which pretty much told Germany that they could have no modern weapons, no military force, very little research, lost a bunch of land, and - perhaps more importantly, that they owed a metric butt-ton of cash to cover the expenses from the war. Germany was considered to be at fault and got pretty much no say, at all, in the Treaty.
They were invited in to sign it and that was about it. Everyone happily agreed (except for Germany) that the Germans were entirely to blame and owed reparations.
I watch a bunch of documentaries to the point where that's all I watch, almost exclusively. I don't own and haven't had a television. I watch them as entertainment, not a scholarly work. However, I've found that it is essential to watch them from multiple perspectives. Many of them are full of propaganda or outright misinformation. It's good to be able to watch and learn from the different views.
Had WWI ended differently, it's a near certainty that WWII would not have happened in the manner that it did. It might not have even happened at all.
Fine... Just for you...
Autumn is ending.
My beat meat is getting sore.
Mom, stop knocking now!
The Byzantines were the Romans, in part. The Eastern and Western Roman Empire was eventually split. Yes, yes they were invaders. They were mad, killing, resource stealing invaders trying to hold onto their ill gotten gains - much of it from a populist uprising more so than a foreign invasion. Yes it matters if we want to discuss why they were really doing things.
A 'waist of state dollars,' eh? Now I'm picturing Uncle Sam with a big ol' fat money belt. Said belt is probably overflowing and dropping money onto the ground. Various people are sneaking in and stealing some from the back. Some are on the ground fighting for dropped scraps.
It'd make a good political cartoon.
For the second time, in one thread, I'm reminded of Emo Philips.
"So, I was at the library in New York the other day. I told the librarian that I would like to get a card. Well, he said, "You'll have to prove that you're a citizen of New York - blah meah bmeha leamah." So, I stabbed him..."
Hmm... Sounds a bit like the caricature of the "SJW" or the "Liberals." They want the rich to be as poor as they. They will shout down those who have different views instead of listening and considering alternatives. They don't like that other cultures (or people) have different views. If you look at them funny or anything else they'll find it as a cause to be outraged and become keyboard warriors, pull fire alarms, or complain until someone loses a job. They rely on numbers and noise rather than individual strength. And so on and so forth.
I originally started my reply as a tongue-in-cheek thing. I think it should be said that I'm probably further to the left than any elected "liberal" in my country. I could go on and all but, I guess, I'd figure that it's much to do about fear and a desire to control and it's not limited to just Christians. The idea that it is your fault is absurd! We can't have that personal responsibility thing. It's just easier to blame something/others than it is to try to change yourself. With some introspection, you'd probably find you're just as guilty - and I suspect we all are.
*in best Souther drawl*
Now, I ain't never been no scholar of Mooslims but it says in the Crayon, Haji Al Quadia, verses 15-22; "Achoo Akbar and blessed is his Profit (PBUH). Bitch, you so ugly that you've doomed all women from here to the hereafter. You shall go and covereth your ugly mug so as to stop the dogs from howling in pain whenever you pass. And if thoust doth remove thy covering then thoust shall be neigh more than a prostitute and the punishment shall be swift and mighty. For lo, doth Allah and the Profit (PBUH) despiseth the ugly ones and need to protect our vision so that we might be holy in front of the LORD."
See? It is too! It's right there in the Crayon.
They could always stand on the side of the road and pray for a ride. I'm reminded of Emo Philips, at this point, and as digression is the name of the game, you too will now be reminded of him. To paraphrase...
All summer long, I wanted a bicycle just like Jimmy Peterson's. So, every night, I prayed and prayed and prayed for God to give me a bicycle. Then, I realized God doesn't work like that. So, I stole it and prayed for forgiveness.
I had an old Saab 900S Turbo that was set up to rally. Well, more a cross between rally and still being street legal. We have something called "The Golden Road" in Maine.
You can read a little about the road here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Anyhow, the car had helmets that affixed to the rear of the seats and five point restraints, etc... It was loads of fun. Wearing a helmet was optional while on the main road but was mandatory when we left the pavement or got onto private drives.
The car developed severe mechanical issues that were more effort to repair than it was worth so the bits were stripped out and it was junked. They've not yet made their way into a new automobile but I'm actually thinking about putting a skid plate under an R model Volvo from the mid 1990s and stiffening it up, adding the cage, and changing the seats and restraints.
Point being, yeah, you can wear a helmet. We wore them in the car all the time. It was just too fun. Sure, sometimes we'd get the cops following us but it was worth it and having them waste time following us was a bonus.
I'm rather disappointed by your reply. Think of the poor Juggalos in their make up!
Seriously, for the purpose of driving a car - I agree, to some extent. For everything else, I disagree. I think that should be setup by the owners of the facilities. If they wish to disallow facial coverings then, by all means, they should be able to do so but it needs to be enforced consistently and equally - the same with a bus, be it municipal of private. I don't think you should be telling those facilities how they must operate their business.
I am not white. I've had very similar things happen - even recently. Even very recently. Hell, I've been caught driving without my license. They just look me up, confirm my SSN, and I'm on my way. Worse, not too long ago, I drove straight across a park (it was raining and looked like a one way street) and was just let go before I even found my license.
Err... I'm a little white? I'm a mutt. The largest percentage of me is Amerindian, then comes Western European, and then some Black African. I actually look Asian or Hispanic and am kind of a chameleon. But no, I'm definitely not white looking - except in the summer when everyone else gets dark.
Apparently someone figured out how to bottle rationality.
It's called Vodka. Unfortunately, overconsumption has the reverse effects.
*sighs* Do I have to do everything around here?
Winter is coming.
While I play with my penis.
I am coming too.
I figured I'd highlight 'em - it was the only way I'd find 'em. I originally got the information from a documentary with, I think, Dr. Bettany Hughes. I don't recall the name but that's where I got the information - as well as several others. You can argue with them, if you'd like. You might really want to look at the history of the crusades. Let's start with, how was it their land to begin with? (I'll give ya a hint - they *were* the invaders.)
Laws and regulations don't really stop anyone. What they do is establish that they're punishable actions. Laws against murder do not, for example, prevent people from murdering others.
Oh, that's awful. I'm quasi-fluent in Spanish and I've picked up pidgin French but, worse, it's not really French. It's the bastard dialect used in Quebec. See, I live right next to it. So, I've learned to speak it - in a fashion. Thinking that this would be adequate, not too many years ago, I meandered from the UK to France via automobile (which is another story). I did not do my research and I have no idea what I actually said to those poor, innocent, French people. I don't know if I insulted them or if I just spouted gibberish.
I guess, I'm sort of hoping for the former but I suspect it was the latter.
It sort of stems from the days when I'd mistakenly call a fax machine or someone's modem. I'd bing, beep, and chirp back at them. I don't know what I was saying but I hoped I was printing a picture or connecting to their BBS. Lacking any pride, I'd generally keep going until the machine stopped making noises back at me. All these years and I still don't know what I said but we had a supplier who had a number that was easy to get wrong. I think their fax machine and I had a good relationship going.
Said supplier once picked up the phone that was attached to their fax machine (as they were back then) while I was happily chirping and binging away in my office. He asked who I was, what I was doing, and so I explained. He thought that it was amusing and vowed to try it. He also told me that he'd consider trying to catch the fax machine in action in the future and trying binging, beeping, and chirping at the inbound call.
No, I have no idea where I'm going with this. I just figured I'd share 'cause it's what I do.
One of our regulars Bruce Perens, has a good writeup on this. You can read his filing here:
http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/comme...
There was a Slashdot post about it but I didn't look for it. Ah - it was just a few results down so I'll include it:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/...
You can thank him later. At least he tries and he seems to sum things up fairly well.
Err... Both of the things I mentioned are examples of resources or ways to acquire resources. I'm not sure I follow. I linked a nice scholarly work in another reply - they appeared to argue with me (even though they were talking about retaking territory - which is still about resources) but you appear to be agreeing with me so I'm not sure what I'm missing?
I know where you're coming from but, if I may, how many router bugs have you fixed over the years? I ask because, a long time ago - in the tech dark ages, I had a router building (modification, really) project which enabled us to connect a plotter to a network. Now, it was mostly a spare time project, I admit, but by the time we were done, such was commercially available. If I counted the man-hours that went into this, well... I'm not doing that math. Let's just say it was a pointless exercise that was almost entirely driven by ego.
Mostly, so long as you didn't look at it funny, it worked. As of eight years ago, it was still working - I think.
I'm aware that the culture is different, of course. I just don't think that it, directly, is to blame. Additionally, I'll add that I included "everything to lose" in my list. Those would be the ones behind the scenes with the money and power but I didn't want to go into typing out all the many things one could type on that subject as I'm pretty sure you're aware of that problem already.
Nukes aren't the best choice when attacking a neighbor. For a second, I was asking myself, "Wait, am I seriously discussing Germany and France going to war against one another?" Then I was, "Oh yeah, history." I'm sticking with, "It could happen."
No, no... I still haven't come up with a GOOD reason why it might happen. Though, if I look back at the last two conflicts, I am still not able to come up with a GOOD reason for those to have happened. Hmm... Maybe the 2nd. That treaty was rather rough and the inflation was crippling.
I figured that I'd use my little Latin to make them aware that they were wrong in their correction of your post. ;-) I understood you, well enough. Then again, my Latin is terrible. It does mean that I do manage well enough if I don't know a word in Spanish, so there's that.
Hmm... In hindsight, we could say that that was the end result of D-Day. So, yeah.
The first Crusade was largely about Muslim expansion. Yes. However, they took anyone in that territory who was converting to be considered expansion. The 2nd through 9th were about them trying to maintain their power. The Aragonese and Northern were absolutely about nothing but power. And with all of the crusades we had lots of power changes, land expansions, and politics.
So, to use WWII, it was more like Germany trying to keep their territory against the onslaught of the Russians.
https://books.google.com/books...
See? I have links too.
So there were technically WMDs and you're, what?
Pfft... 1500 count Egyptian, or I'm going home!
(No, not really. I don't actually know what the thread count is. One, I'm in a hotel STILL and, two, I don't actually buy my own bedding at home.)