Try not to laugh but there are Windows phone options as well. Ironically, from a practical standpoint - not from an idealistic view, they are really pretty open. The source is not open, of course. However, you can install and do anything you want on them and install things from any source you want to use. From a practical standpoint that makes them a viable option even if they are underused. I do not own one but I understand that they are actually quite good these days when viewed objectively.
Sexconker is, I think, a goober at times. However, they posted one comment that was a parody of the moo troll. I am not sure how we concluded that they are the actual moo troll based on such limited data. I think they are more likely to be the GNAA guy. Maybe the goatse guy? Speaking of which, that goatse guy has been here for a very long time. That is some serious dedication.
Nice. Thank you. My memory is old, it does not do error correction. Upgrades are expensive and ineffective as their is a bottleneck due to processor speed.
I did not fat finger it. I added the extra letter thinking it was correct. (I am not scared to be mistaken.) I knew that GUI had pre-dated Apple with Xerox being commercially available before Apple did so. I know it was also in labs before that. I seem to recall a Bell Labs solution that was GUI as well though I do not know if it, directly, ended up in a commercial product. I was, and am, too lazy to check. I figure I will just forget again in the near future so I am grateful when others (like you) are able to remember these things.
I suppose the worst part is that I was *there* (not specifically) during these times and an avid user. I still lack the ability to recall so much of it. In part because it has been a whirlwind of excitement and in part because I drank and abused a variety of drugs for many years.;-) These days I only smoke weed. That does absolutely nothing to help my memory.
Now I more fully understand your objections - thank you. I suppose my point remains that citizens do have access, it is just incomplete. That is unacceptable and sounds like it should be something the Supremes get to hear about and decide on.
I do not believe that access to the free law libraries is actually encoded in the laws as a right, at least not at the federal level. I certainly believe it is encoded in the spirit of the law and I strongly suspect that case law would back that up but I lack the time and resources to look into it. I will have to defer to you or to my general layman's understanding and assume the law provides for such in spirit if not in letter as I have yet to meet a State that did not provision such.
I guess the next logical question is what can I do to help? I do not have much in the way of expertise but I have a familiarity with the law and try to spend a few days each month observing the courts in person. (It is my way of upholding my end of the social contract. I dare say that it is my duty and the duty of my fellow citizens but I will avoid the digression.) I have money. I have more than I will ever need and I enjoy using it to assist others. I doubt I have enough to make an impact on my own, at least not any long-term impact.
So, yeah, what can I do to help? I do not see any agencies listed that will act on the plaintiff''s behalf. I recently got rid of a bunch of bitcoins that I'd mined when the program first came out - those went to EFF as I wanted not to be associated with or taxed on them as I am considering running for office at the state level. No, I am certainly running for office. That is more accurate. That does nothing, at all, to change the situation in Georgia though and Maine is, honestly, fairly good in these regards so there is little I would want to change there except maybe improving access for inmates who are appealing or fighting their cases.
This is one of those situations where I would like to help but do not see a viable way of doing so. Do you have any suggestions?
I did not like them being allowed to merge with Intel. Nor did I approve of the AMD/ATI merger. It seems the stack has lost a bit of potential because of those changes. I can not say where things would have been, nobody can be certain, but I think things *could have* been better. I may have rose tinted glasses but I seem to recall that nVidia was making some very good headway in the open source area and that ATi was following suit. Now? It seems to be less so, less frequent, and with less dedication. Again, biases and a tendency to view the past as being better than it was may be in play. I welcome correction.
See... I just can not wrap my head around spreadsheets or databases. No, I know how they work. No, I can not use them for anything. I can set information in one and extract information from one. I can do work on those results. I am slow... In your example, I could have done all that in my head faster than I could have done it in a spreadsheet. My degree is in Applied Mathematics but I simply can not conceptualize the use of spreadsheets or databases. I can use them in limited cases where I am already familiar with the concept. I really can do the math in my head faster than I could do it on the computer - it is a neat trick to amuse folks and challenge them to a race vs. their calculator skills. (It even works when drunk, up to a point. Stoned? Not so much.)
I guess I do not understand it. If I took your numbers (I probably would not need to but it would help) and just pasted them into a text document in the same format for all the devices then I could calculate based on that alone. I might even beat your spreadsheet in the end but I suspect your familiarity speeds you up a great deal. There are a few things like this, I am not sure why, and I just can not grasp them at any level beyond novice - and not even that far in some cases. I can not, for the life of me, make a GUI that makes sense to anyone but me. I try... I have even taken the time to learn about UI/UX, eye mapping, and ease of use studies. I can't even design a web page that is complicated. Well, no, I can code it and do the back-end stuff (sans database except storage/retrieval) but the layout is horrific. I am one of those guys who can poke at Drupal all day long and make it do what I want but, no matter what, it is ugly and ineffective for an end user. Like spreadsheets and databases, I just can not wrap my head around it.
CSV has way too much industry penetration. It is not even suitable for an address book but it gets used for far more than you might want to imagine. I guess we could call CSV the original noSQL... It was wrong then and it is wrong now. It is simple and fairly easy to manipulate and transfer to other formats, I suppose. Anything large should not be kept in CSVs but it is not unusual to see it. Once upon a time many shared hosting companies did not offer things like MySQL or PHP - just PERL was a blessing. During this time the CSV gained in popularity. Tools like phpMyAdmin did not exist and cPanel was a mote in the developer's eye. Database admins were wizards.
Of course the more common web applications (such as forums or similar) all were improperly configured. So if you knew the script being used you could navigate to config.txt, users.csv, or passwords.csv and have all that information available. And we liked it!
I seem to recall the GUI came from Xerox and the mouse was around in the late 1960s. The mouse even had three buttons on it. I forget the name of the talk but you can still find it online if you know what to look for. I re-watched it not too many months ago and then was surprised to see someone link it here in the past week. They had file headers, cut and paste, and function keys - back before 1970. The GUI was a Xerox thing - SPARC as I recall - that Jobs borrowed. This is not a slight, or not intended to be so, but I can not think of anything that Apple has done that was really original. I am not suggesting that any other company is better. I am suggesting that viewing the world without rose tinted glasses is a good thing.
I am a fan of OSS but, really? Easier to use open source software? In what way is it easier? You install the damned thing and use it. There is much more OSS for Windows than there is for OS X. The end result is the same. How is it any easier, regardless of the platform you use? Opera is as easy on Linux as it is on OS X as it is on Windows. Install the damned thing and use it. The platform does not, nor should it, change that.
I probably should have worded it better though I will defer to you if I am still mistaken. The information garnered in 2015 will not be published until 2016 though I seem to recall seeing quarterly updates in the law libraries I have been in.
I certainly agree that the laws should be made easier to access. I would go so far as to suggest that the State fund such services and provide public access. The law libraries I have been in (private and public) all were *fairly well* funded and up to date considering the massive changes made to the laws on a constant basis. a back-end search appliance, with a front end for web access, would be a trivial expense, make updating easier, and make the law more accessible to the common man. I dare say that lawyers should get access for free as well - I understand maintaining their own libraries is quite expensive an Lexis access is quite expensive.
I am not understanding how, or why, Georgia is an exception to this. I have actually visited a law library for research in Georgia (did some consulting work in Atlanta) as I wanted to ease the legal expenses. This was, however, years ago. They were acceptable for my needs. I wonder what has changed - unless it is a partnership with the above named company.
I would surmise that you know far more about this than I though, in my defense, one can still go to the law library and access the content there though it is troubling if it is not up to date as you suggest. Does Georgia not have locked down Lexis access on the computers in their law libraries? I find that disturbing and, honestly, I hope you are either mistaken or not being given accurate information. My podunk state (Maine) maintains a subscription to the service, has scads of print material, and even has folks who know how to work the system there to help you out (but not provide anything remotely close to legal advice). The get small (comparatively speaking) updates quarterly - maybe even monthly. I do not recall the name or the publisher.
Hell, even alleged criminals, who are incarcerated, get access to the law library though it is supposedly underfunded, out of date, and the databases on the computers (locked down critters on wheels from the news article I saw) dates back a few years. They can request more current material specifically and the State's library in Augusta (Maine, not the one in Georgia) sends it to the jail.
Are they not doing this in Georgia? I must confess that I have never been in any legal trouble in Georgia so I would have no idea. I do know that they are supposed to have up-to-date material in their public law library though - if they are failing this then that is pathetic.
When the State pays for proprietary software you own it? I could see you saying that you own it by extension but, really, the license to use that software is in the hands of the State's employees. You do not get a license to use PhotoShop simply because the State purchased a license. For physical properties, you do not get to go take a State's DOT truck for a spin (on the weekends, they are not using it) just because your taxes paid for it. That would be kind of fun though.
I think the statute of limitations is certainly up by now...
So, as an aside, I did once *maybe* borrow a road grader from the State of Virginia as a teen. Some buddies and I *may have* borrowed it when it was parked out at dirt road outside of Manassas, VA. We might have taken turns grading the road for them in the middle of the night while drunk. Nobody was ever caught. It made the newspaper because they found it out of fuel at the opposite end of the road. This is not verbatim but, "No harm was done and the thieves did an 'excellent job grading the road' according to the DOT spokesman." I imagine the results, today, would be much different. Ah, the summer before we all went back to school as seniors. Our last real summer together as a group who may, or may not have, gotten drunk and absconded with a grader.
Why would they? You would not listen (nor would I). You're not some objective creature (nor am I). You would just go on believing what you believe (as would I).
Use this thread as an example...
Every single person has access to their local and state laws for the cost of absolutely nothing. You have, in your state, a law library. This is free for public use and open at reasonable hours. There are even people there who will help you - for free. They can not give you legal advice, however. This law library is either tucked away in a court house, a city seat building (usually near the District Attorney's office), a publicly funded (or sometimes private) university/college, or at the State Library in the state capitol. It will be in one of those places, minimum. This is a whole search engine away. People have mentioned this. Yet people continue to assert that they do not have access to the laws and claim that it costs them additional money.
So, why would they bother when you would not read what they wrote, would nitpick at it, would ignore it, and would find some off-topic comment to complain about instead of actually bothering to understand them? You know that is what you would do... There is no reason for them to expect it to be different this time and doing so would be the definition of insanity.
Or go to the free public law library in your county seat, city, or state capital. They have one. It is free. It will not include 2015 because 2015 is not over yet. I guarantee you have access to a free law library in every single state. There are no exceptions.
You have free access to the law library. Contact your local district court for directions and access times. It is either in your county, city, or capital.
You do have free access, including to expensive case-law reference libraries, and I guarantee this to be true (if you live in the United States). There is no state in the Union that does not have this. You not knowing about it is not an acceptable excuse.
To be fair, you do have free access to a law library in your state. You may even have one in your city or county seat. This is mandatory and there are no exceptions.
Just for you, I am posting this with Lynx. Now if I could just get it to go full screen I would be happier.
There is, for Windows users, a bowser called "OffByOne."It is free, as in beer, if you are interested. I do not know of a Linux version for it. I used to play with it back in the day where my ad-removal software was a whole application that needed to be run separately and then one changed the proxy settings to use that application's filtering. Those where the days.
Anyhow, there is not much point in using Lynx these days. I do not even have good reason for using it now (I can actually see your post while I type this in Lynx) and there should be some sort of reasonable compromise. Do I know what that compromise is? Nope... I am sure we will all just piss and moan instead of trying to find it though. It is what we do.
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Try not to laugh but there are Windows phone options as well. Ironically, from a practical standpoint - not from an idealistic view, they are really pretty open. The source is not open, of course. However, you can install and do anything you want on them and install things from any source you want to use. From a practical standpoint that makes them a viable option even if they are underused. I do not own one but I understand that they are actually quite good these days when viewed objectively.
Sexconker is, I think, a goober at times. However, they posted one comment that was a parody of the moo troll. I am not sure how we concluded that they are the actual moo troll based on such limited data. I think they are more likely to be the GNAA guy. Maybe the goatse guy? Speaking of which, that goatse guy has been here for a very long time. That is some serious dedication.
You did not turn it into a haiku.
My cows are from France.
They are very self-centered.
They go Moi Moi Moi.
I admit it is not as good as the gay sex haiku that has been popping up lately. But your post was so very close that it had to be done.
Nice. Thank you. My memory is old, it does not do error correction. Upgrades are expensive and ineffective as their is a bottleneck due to processor speed.
I did not fat finger it. I added the extra letter thinking it was correct. (I am not scared to be mistaken.) I knew that GUI had pre-dated Apple with Xerox being commercially available before Apple did so. I know it was also in labs before that. I seem to recall a Bell Labs solution that was GUI as well though I do not know if it, directly, ended up in a commercial product. I was, and am, too lazy to check. I figure I will just forget again in the near future so I am grateful when others (like you) are able to remember these things.
I suppose the worst part is that I was *there* (not specifically) during these times and an avid user. I still lack the ability to recall so much of it. In part because it has been a whirlwind of excitement and in part because I drank and abused a variety of drugs for many years. ;-) These days I only smoke weed. That does absolutely nothing to help my memory.
Now I more fully understand your objections - thank you. I suppose my point remains that citizens do have access, it is just incomplete. That is unacceptable and sounds like it should be something the Supremes get to hear about and decide on.
I do not believe that access to the free law libraries is actually encoded in the laws as a right, at least not at the federal level. I certainly believe it is encoded in the spirit of the law and I strongly suspect that case law would back that up but I lack the time and resources to look into it. I will have to defer to you or to my general layman's understanding and assume the law provides for such in spirit if not in letter as I have yet to meet a State that did not provision such.
I guess the next logical question is what can I do to help? I do not have much in the way of expertise but I have a familiarity with the law and try to spend a few days each month observing the courts in person. (It is my way of upholding my end of the social contract. I dare say that it is my duty and the duty of my fellow citizens but I will avoid the digression.) I have money. I have more than I will ever need and I enjoy using it to assist others. I doubt I have enough to make an impact on my own, at least not any long-term impact.
So, yeah, what can I do to help? I do not see any agencies listed that will act on the plaintiff''s behalf. I recently got rid of a bunch of bitcoins that I'd mined when the program first came out - those went to EFF as I wanted not to be associated with or taxed on them as I am considering running for office at the state level. No, I am certainly running for office. That is more accurate. That does nothing, at all, to change the situation in Georgia though and Maine is, honestly, fairly good in these regards so there is little I would want to change there except maybe improving access for inmates who are appealing or fighting their cases.
This is one of those situations where I would like to help but do not see a viable way of doing so. Do you have any suggestions?
I did not like them being allowed to merge with Intel. Nor did I approve of the AMD/ATI merger. It seems the stack has lost a bit of potential because of those changes. I can not say where things would have been, nobody can be certain, but I think things *could have* been better. I may have rose tinted glasses but I seem to recall that nVidia was making some very good headway in the open source area and that ATi was following suit. Now? It seems to be less so, less frequent, and with less dedication. Again, biases and a tendency to view the past as being better than it was may be in play. I welcome correction.
See... I just can not wrap my head around spreadsheets or databases. No, I know how they work. No, I can not use them for anything. I can set information in one and extract information from one. I can do work on those results. I am slow... In your example, I could have done all that in my head faster than I could have done it in a spreadsheet. My degree is in Applied Mathematics but I simply can not conceptualize the use of spreadsheets or databases. I can use them in limited cases where I am already familiar with the concept. I really can do the math in my head faster than I could do it on the computer - it is a neat trick to amuse folks and challenge them to a race vs. their calculator skills. (It even works when drunk, up to a point. Stoned? Not so much.)
I guess I do not understand it. If I took your numbers (I probably would not need to but it would help) and just pasted them into a text document in the same format for all the devices then I could calculate based on that alone. I might even beat your spreadsheet in the end but I suspect your familiarity speeds you up a great deal. There are a few things like this, I am not sure why, and I just can not grasp them at any level beyond novice - and not even that far in some cases. I can not, for the life of me, make a GUI that makes sense to anyone but me. I try... I have even taken the time to learn about UI/UX, eye mapping, and ease of use studies. I can't even design a web page that is complicated. Well, no, I can code it and do the back-end stuff (sans database except storage/retrieval) but the layout is horrific. I am one of those guys who can poke at Drupal all day long and make it do what I want but, no matter what, it is ugly and ineffective for an end user. Like spreadsheets and databases, I just can not wrap my head around it.
CSV has way too much industry penetration. It is not even suitable for an address book but it gets used for far more than you might want to imagine. I guess we could call CSV the original noSQL... It was wrong then and it is wrong now. It is simple and fairly easy to manipulate and transfer to other formats, I suppose. Anything large should not be kept in CSVs but it is not unusual to see it. Once upon a time many shared hosting companies did not offer things like MySQL or PHP - just PERL was a blessing. During this time the CSV gained in popularity. Tools like phpMyAdmin did not exist and cPanel was a mote in the developer's eye. Database admins were wizards.
Of course the more common web applications (such as forums or similar) all were improperly configured. So if you knew the script being used you could navigate to config.txt, users.csv, or passwords.csv and have all that information available. And we liked it!
I seem to recall the GUI came from Xerox and the mouse was around in the late 1960s. The mouse even had three buttons on it. I forget the name of the talk but you can still find it online if you know what to look for. I re-watched it not too many months ago and then was surprised to see someone link it here in the past week. They had file headers, cut and paste, and function keys - back before 1970. The GUI was a Xerox thing - SPARC as I recall - that Jobs borrowed. This is not a slight, or not intended to be so, but I can not think of anything that Apple has done that was really original. I am not suggesting that any other company is better. I am suggesting that viewing the world without rose tinted glasses is a good thing.
There was this one time, at a truck stop in Pennsylvania, but they liked it so it does not count. It's not gay if your bags don't touch.
I am a fan of OSS but, really? Easier to use open source software? In what way is it easier? You install the damned thing and use it. There is much more OSS for Windows than there is for OS X. The end result is the same. How is it any easier, regardless of the platform you use? Opera is as easy on Linux as it is on OS X as it is on Windows. Install the damned thing and use it. The platform does not, nor should it, change that.
I probably should have worded it better though I will defer to you if I am still mistaken. The information garnered in 2015 will not be published until 2016 though I seem to recall seeing quarterly updates in the law libraries I have been in.
I certainly agree that the laws should be made easier to access. I would go so far as to suggest that the State fund such services and provide public access. The law libraries I have been in (private and public) all were *fairly well* funded and up to date considering the massive changes made to the laws on a constant basis. a back-end search appliance, with a front end for web access, would be a trivial expense, make updating easier, and make the law more accessible to the common man. I dare say that lawyers should get access for free as well - I understand maintaining their own libraries is quite expensive an Lexis access is quite expensive.
I am not understanding how, or why, Georgia is an exception to this. I have actually visited a law library for research in Georgia (did some consulting work in Atlanta) as I wanted to ease the legal expenses. This was, however, years ago. They were acceptable for my needs. I wonder what has changed - unless it is a partnership with the above named company.
I would surmise that you know far more about this than I though, in my defense, one can still go to the law library and access the content there though it is troubling if it is not up to date as you suggest. Does Georgia not have locked down Lexis access on the computers in their law libraries? I find that disturbing and, honestly, I hope you are either mistaken or not being given accurate information. My podunk state (Maine) maintains a subscription to the service, has scads of print material, and even has folks who know how to work the system there to help you out (but not provide anything remotely close to legal advice). The get small (comparatively speaking) updates quarterly - maybe even monthly. I do not recall the name or the publisher.
Hell, even alleged criminals, who are incarcerated, get access to the law library though it is supposedly underfunded, out of date, and the databases on the computers (locked down critters on wheels from the news article I saw) dates back a few years. They can request more current material specifically and the State's library in Augusta (Maine, not the one in Georgia) sends it to the jail.
Are they not doing this in Georgia? I must confess that I have never been in any legal trouble in Georgia so I would have no idea. I do know that they are supposed to have up-to-date material in their public law library though - if they are failing this then that is pathetic.
The law *is* in the public domain. You not understanding this is not surprising.
When the State pays for proprietary software you own it? I could see you saying that you own it by extension but, really, the license to use that software is in the hands of the State's employees. You do not get a license to use PhotoShop simply because the State purchased a license. For physical properties, you do not get to go take a State's DOT truck for a spin (on the weekends, they are not using it) just because your taxes paid for it. That would be kind of fun though.
I think the statute of limitations is certainly up by now...
So, as an aside, I did once *maybe* borrow a road grader from the State of Virginia as a teen. Some buddies and I *may have* borrowed it when it was parked out at dirt road outside of Manassas, VA. We might have taken turns grading the road for them in the middle of the night while drunk. Nobody was ever caught. It made the newspaper because they found it out of fuel at the opposite end of the road. This is not verbatim but, "No harm was done and the thieves did an 'excellent job grading the road' according to the DOT spokesman." I imagine the results, today, would be much different. Ah, the summer before we all went back to school as seniors. Our last real summer together as a group who may, or may not have, gotten drunk and absconded with a grader.
The court uses a dictionary, often the OED, to rule on cases. Is the dictionary Georgia's copyright protected work?
Well... You being from Georgia is not in doubt.
Why would they? You would not listen (nor would I). You're not some objective creature (nor am I). You would just go on believing what you believe (as would I).
Use this thread as an example...
Every single person has access to their local and state laws for the cost of absolutely nothing. You have, in your state, a law library. This is free for public use and open at reasonable hours. There are even people there who will help you - for free. They can not give you legal advice, however. This law library is either tucked away in a court house, a city seat building (usually near the District Attorney's office), a publicly funded (or sometimes private) university/college, or at the State Library in the state capitol. It will be in one of those places, minimum. This is a whole search engine away. People have mentioned this. Yet people continue to assert that they do not have access to the laws and claim that it costs them additional money.
So, why would they bother when you would not read what they wrote, would nitpick at it, would ignore it, and would find some off-topic comment to complain about instead of actually bothering to understand them? You know that is what you would do... There is no reason for them to expect it to be different this time and doing so would be the definition of insanity.
Or go to the free public law library in your county seat, city, or state capital. They have one. It is free. It will not include 2015 because 2015 is not over yet. I guarantee you have access to a free law library in every single state. There are no exceptions.
You have free access to the law library. Contact your local district court for directions and access times. It is either in your county, city, or capital.
You do have free access, including to expensive case-law reference libraries, and I guarantee this to be true (if you live in the United States). There is no state in the Union that does not have this. You not knowing about it is not an acceptable excuse.
To be fair, you do have free access to a law library in your state. You may even have one in your city or county seat. This is mandatory and there are no exceptions.
Voter restrictions such as?
Opera is up to version 31. You might want to look into that.
Just for you, I am posting this with Lynx. Now if I could just get it to go full screen I would be happier.
There is, for Windows users, a bowser called "OffByOne."It is free, as in beer, if you are interested. I do not know of a Linux version for it. I used to play with it back in the day where my ad-removal software was a whole application that needed to be run separately and then one changed the proxy settings to use that application's filtering. Those where the days.
Anyhow, there is not much point in using Lynx these days. I do not even have good reason for using it now (I can actually see your post while I type this in Lynx) and there should be some sort of reasonable compromise. Do I know what that compromise is? Nope... I am sure we will all just piss and moan instead of trying to find it though. It is what we do.
Will you come with me? Won't you come with me? Woooah what I want to know is will you come with me?