Yeah and I think it is quite believable. RIM (the 3rd big smartphone company...) actually gives employees money to buy phones from other companies. This way everyone has a rim phone and a competitor's phone. You can really quickly see where you are going right and where you have fucked up. It is a great system, more people should do it. And it certainly isn't unbelievable.
At least the "hardcore brainwashed fanatic suicide bomber"s stand by what they believe and go with it, that I can respect! Even if they are crazy at least they are being good people within those bounds.
On the otherhand, saying you believe one thing but then going crying to science when you are in trouble is horrible. And it is these half-assed religious people that allow the religions to perpetuate. Causing arguably more harm over time.
He was pointing out that excel will likely not be used forever by way of an example of a similar company being no longer used. I mean it isn't proof of anything so there isn't a watertight intellectual arguement... but it is about what might happen in the future, you won't get any watertight arguements.
That said, it probably was needlessly inflamatory. OP most likely knows that excel will not be used forever. Hell, humans are not likely to exist forever unless we find a way to end time or some such. So it was really just a troll aggravated by OP's apparent misuse of the word 'always'. Which is pretty anal, and ignores the concept of poetic language completely.
http://www.wordsoup.com/blog/Holy%20Bible.jpg
And Louisiana is normally 49th after mississippi. Texas hangs around the bottom though (Interestingly though, the average texan IQ is 100! Which is obviously normal. But it says something about why they are in the bottom for educational attainment.).
The part of the constitution he would be looking for would be the first ammendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Yeah, itd suck to have drugs individually tailored to your genes. They'd work like, way better. Plus you could get information on maldies that you might come across. Hell you may be able to work pre-emptively to avoid getting them.
Honestly there are tons of reasons why this is a GOOD THING.
I see your point on parts of these. But a lot of this is simply being an apologist. I think this goes to show that truly any side can be taken with adequate interpretation which is one of the dangers of the bible.
I'd like to add that perhaps struggling with the meaning of some passages isn't a test of your faith, it is just wrong. God being all knowing and all powerful certainly should have made writing a clear and understandable book a priority why would he have made it a test when there are already so many in life? Do you think it possible that you are not gaining understand but simply convincing yourself of the same. Like a mental hypochondriac?
That said, I think you are FAR better off than the majority of religious people that don't read the bible and use it as the basis of their beliefs. So I commend you on that. I may yet re-read the bible with a study guide as you suggest. It would be difficult however for me to take it with a truly open mind having seen many ills caused by the church.
It was tongue and cheek. Religious people have killed in God's name for centuries which kinda breaks a commandment. And stats show that the more religious you are the more likely you are to commit violent crimes. But either way I was stereotyping the crazy white-power hicks from the bible-belt. Sort of descendants of the KKK who btw were christians. I'm sure Jesus would be pissed if he found out what was done in his name and by his people.
I don't think it is necessary to do better. Using google to find apps directly or to find an app site such as download.com you are really unlikely to get viruses. Mind you firefox auto-protects people from virused sites (with the warning) so it is a helpful starting point to avoid really poor sites.
Off topic but related:
I believe cars could be driven by computer as well (hell they are racing at pikes peak..). But the legal load would fall on whom? The software devs? So it becomes a legal impossibility even if it would be safer. And hence isn't worked on that much.
Here here *proud canadian as well*. It wasn't quite as bad as you put it but yes NZ was the leader by a good chunk. Though I'm curious why you thought Canada was acting to keep up appearances during a secret meeting... Maybe they are the ones that leaked it haha.
I would be looking to the incedents of cancer in animals that have been having these treatments for many years to give an estimate of cancer rates.
I think I'd approve it for use for the elderly. Cancer is less of an issue if you only get light cancer for a few years before you die. Cancer isn't like a cold, you dont generally get it suddenly, you might get it 10years later (with your chance of getting it increasing each year). And currently the other option is surgery; For the elderly surgery could be worse than cancer. Or they could be inneligible for any option. So for at least one group there are minor downsides, huge upsides. That should be enough to get it pushed forward.
Not for stoning in particular. Though I might point out that in the new testament jesus doesn't condemn the old and says that you should follow it. So I'm not sure why there would be issue with citing old testament but i digress.
The new testament still has plent of things that most people would be uncomfortable saying they believe out loud.
It isn't very nice to non-believers:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. -- jesus saying he'll kill a slut and her kids and adulterers...
It is also pretty sexist... women are required to wear hats in church. But if you go to church I bet that plenty of women aren't wearing hats. Women also aren't allowed to speak in church (Though paul said that last bit). Read 1-Corinthians-11. "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife."
Wives must submit to their husbands "in every thing" as though they were Christ. "For the husband is the head of the wife." -- reallly sexist...
In all honesty though if you pick any book of the bible and can read it all the way through (just one book) without seeing things that sensible people living in this era would dissagree with I'd be shocked. I'd be surprised if you made it 3 pages to be honest. My best advice for you is to with a clear mind read the bible. If you use logic as you can and think it is ok then i fully support whatever beliefs you have. Reading the thing puts you ahead of many others (yes, I have read the bible in full btw).
"Linux has been pioneering a way around this through trusted software repositories, but the concept hasn't panned out for Windows yet."
Oh come onnnnn. Windows is fine with this. Go to download.com or some such and nothing there will be malware loaded. CERTAINLY nothing with any decent rating, why would you want 1star apps anyways? Even if you just google an app... like "torrent app" it is really rare that there would be a malware app on the first....... 5 pages or so (I can't imagine needing to go past page 1). And beyond even that I'm certain that ANY techy/nerd guy has a list in his head of every single app that their non-nerd friend would use on their computer. In fact:
Browser: IE, FF, Opera, Chrome
Office suite: msoffice, openoffice, google docs
Images: photoshop, paint.net, gimp, paint...
music: winamp, amarok, wmp
video: cccp w/ mpc, vlc, wmp
messengers: msn, skype, gchat, w/e the hell yahoo's thing is called
PDF: foxit, adobe(if you don't care about the person)
email: gmail... just put a link on their desktop
There, you now have an excessive list of safe apps that the average non-computer user will need. I could probably list 50 more niche apps from memory but if you can read this then you also have google....
search: google.com
Most cases though deleting files and editing the registry can be done manually and remove most viruses. Seems like a lot more work than just installing some shitty anti-virus.
Not so... unless you are a dualist. Materialists (not the money loving kind) believe that everything is propelled by physics. Reasoning behind baseball is no different.
Atoms bounce off one another according to rules. These aggregate and form systems of higher powers that have their own sets of rules. Chemicals. Likewise we get compounds, dna, cells. The cells in your brain interact in a manner that controls your body and your thoughts, they are your thoughts in a manner of speaking. These cells act as a machine taking input through senses and releasing output in the form of controlling your body. The machine simply output baseball.
Hard science knows the brain is the mechanism that decided to play baseball. We simply don't know how it came to that decision precisely enough. That is why we have sociology/psychology. Eventually the hard sciences will take these areas as well as we better define the science of thought. In fact we can see this happening already! Labelling different parts of the brain as to what different cells do/controll. Sometimes even as accurate as a few cells. Fields such as optogenetics (a field only a few years old) will define the brain's functions even more. Possibly narrowing down what individual cells do.
No gap in pure logic is needed to describe things. Just the ability to say we don't know this. Or atleast, we aren't certain on this. There is no need for an answer when we DON'T have one.
Religious person: I believe in the word of the lord as written in the bible.
Religious person: I believe stoning people is cruel and more humane punishments should be metted out.
Bible:
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned.
And about 20 other places. Surely this is a contradiction of belief? If the stoning example doesn't work for you there are certainly hundreds of other things that no sensible person would agree with.
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e-mailed you.
Yeah and I think it is quite believable. RIM (the 3rd big smartphone company...) actually gives employees money to buy phones from other companies. This way everyone has a rim phone and a competitor's phone. You can really quickly see where you are going right and where you have fucked up. It is a great system, more people should do it. And it certainly isn't unbelievable.
At least the "hardcore brainwashed fanatic suicide bomber"s stand by what they believe and go with it, that I can respect! Even if they are crazy at least they are being good people within those bounds.
On the otherhand, saying you believe one thing but then going crying to science when you are in trouble is horrible. And it is these half-assed religious people that allow the religions to perpetuate. Causing arguably more harm over time.
wicked complicated greasemonkey scripts?
He was pointing out that excel will likely not be used forever by way of an example of a similar company being no longer used. I mean it isn't proof of anything so there isn't a watertight intellectual arguement... but it is about what might happen in the future, you won't get any watertight arguements.
That said, it probably was needlessly inflamatory. OP most likely knows that excel will not be used forever. Hell, humans are not likely to exist forever unless we find a way to end time or some such. So it was really just a troll aggravated by OP's apparent misuse of the word 'always'. Which is pretty anal, and ignores the concept of poetic language completely.
Shift is huge compared to a modern hearing aid. http://www.precisehearing.com/images/dot.jpg (--about 1.5cm along the tan part which goes behind your ear.
http://www.hearingaidscentral.com/Images/Melody_hearing_aid_Arrow.JPG (-- In the ear
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/hearing-aid-4.jpg -- a tiny one... closer to the shift key on my cellphone.
http://www.wordsoup.com/blog/Holy%20Bible.jpg And Louisiana is normally 49th after mississippi. Texas hangs around the bottom though (Interestingly though, the average texan IQ is 100! Which is obviously normal. But it says something about why they are in the bottom for educational attainment.).
His e-mail is: sboesupport@tea.state.tx.us
The part of the constitution he would be looking for would be the first ammendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
And the charity I asked him to support is: Americans United for Separation of Church and State
I hope many of you join me in e-mailing him.
I read that as an odd suicide threat rather than scientific endeavour.
Yeah, itd suck to have drugs individually tailored to your genes. They'd work like, way better. Plus you could get information on maldies that you might come across. Hell you may be able to work pre-emptively to avoid getting them.
Honestly there are tons of reasons why this is a GOOD THING.
I see your point on parts of these. But a lot of this is simply being an apologist. I think this goes to show that truly any side can be taken with adequate interpretation which is one of the dangers of the bible.
I'd like to add that perhaps struggling with the meaning of some passages isn't a test of your faith, it is just wrong. God being all knowing and all powerful certainly should have made writing a clear and understandable book a priority why would he have made it a test when there are already so many in life? Do you think it possible that you are not gaining understand but simply convincing yourself of the same. Like a mental hypochondriac?
That said, I think you are FAR better off than the majority of religious people that don't read the bible and use it as the basis of their beliefs. So I commend you on that. I may yet re-read the bible with a study guide as you suggest. It would be difficult however for me to take it with a truly open mind having seen many ills caused by the church.
It was tongue and cheek. Religious people have killed in God's name for centuries which kinda breaks a commandment. And stats show that the more religious you are the more likely you are to commit violent crimes. But either way I was stereotyping the crazy white-power hicks from the bible-belt. Sort of descendants of the KKK who btw were christians. I'm sure Jesus would be pissed if he found out what was done in his name and by his people.
I don't think it is necessary to do better. Using google to find apps directly or to find an app site such as download.com you are really unlikely to get viruses. Mind you firefox auto-protects people from virused sites (with the warning) so it is a helpful starting point to avoid really poor sites.
Off topic but related:
I believe cars could be driven by computer as well (hell they are racing at pikes peak..). But the legal load would fall on whom? The software devs? So it becomes a legal impossibility even if it would be safer. And hence isn't worked on that much.
Here here *proud canadian as well*. It wasn't quite as bad as you put it but yes NZ was the leader by a good chunk. Though I'm curious why you thought Canada was acting to keep up appearances during a secret meeting... Maybe they are the ones that leaked it haha.
I would be looking to the incedents of cancer in animals that have been having these treatments for many years to give an estimate of cancer rates.
I think I'd approve it for use for the elderly. Cancer is less of an issue if you only get light cancer for a few years before you die. Cancer isn't like a cold, you dont generally get it suddenly, you might get it 10years later (with your chance of getting it increasing each year). And currently the other option is surgery; For the elderly surgery could be worse than cancer. Or they could be inneligible for any option. So for at least one group there are minor downsides, huge upsides. That should be enough to get it pushed forward.
Not for stoning in particular. Though I might point out that in the new testament jesus doesn't condemn the old and says that you should follow it. So I'm not sure why there would be issue with citing old testament but i digress.
The new testament still has plent of things that most people would be uncomfortable saying they believe out loud.
It isn't very nice to non-believers:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. -- jesus saying he'll kill a slut and her kids and adulterers...
It is also pretty sexist... women are required to wear hats in church. But if you go to church I bet that plenty of women aren't wearing hats. Women also aren't allowed to speak in church (Though paul said that last bit). Read 1-Corinthians-11.
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife." Wives must submit to their husbands "in every thing" as though they were Christ. "For the husband is the head of the wife." -- reallly sexist...
In all honesty though if you pick any book of the bible and can read it all the way through (just one book) without seeing things that sensible people living in this era would dissagree with I'd be shocked. I'd be surprised if you made it 3 pages to be honest. My best advice for you is to with a clear mind read the bible. If you use logic as you can and think it is ok then i fully support whatever beliefs you have. Reading the thing puts you ahead of many others (yes, I have read the bible in full btw).
True, but the council doesn't come into this at all.
Wtf mods. Parent is modded up whilst totally wrong and there are 6 yes SIX posts after him correcting him that are not yet modded up :/
Is it just me that felt like he was getting stabbed in the chest each he read "___ do it". I normally don't make a big dal about grammar but...
Atleast the last one was right.
"Linux has been pioneering a way around this through trusted software repositories, but the concept hasn't panned out for Windows yet."
Oh come onnnnn. Windows is fine with this. Go to download.com or some such and nothing there will be malware loaded. CERTAINLY nothing with any decent rating, why would you want 1star apps anyways? Even if you just google an app... like "torrent app" it is really rare that there would be a malware app on the first....... 5 pages or so (I can't imagine needing to go past page 1). And beyond even that I'm certain that ANY techy/nerd guy has a list in his head of every single app that their non-nerd friend would use on their computer. In fact:
Browser: IE, FF, Opera, Chrome
Office suite: msoffice, openoffice, google docs
Images: photoshop, paint.net, gimp, paint...
music: winamp, amarok, wmp
video: cccp w/ mpc, vlc, wmp
messengers: msn, skype, gchat, w/e the hell yahoo's thing is called
PDF: foxit, adobe(if you don't care about the person)
email: gmail... just put a link on their desktop
There, you now have an excessive list of safe apps that the average non-computer user will need. I could probably list 50 more niche apps from memory but if you can read this then you also have google....
search: google.com
Most cases though deleting files and editing the registry can be done manually and remove most viruses. Seems like a lot more work than just installing some shitty anti-virus.
If it is bosonic you need 26.
Not so... unless you are a dualist. Materialists (not the money loving kind) believe that everything is propelled by physics. Reasoning behind baseball is no different.
Atoms bounce off one another according to rules. These aggregate and form systems of higher powers that have their own sets of rules. Chemicals. Likewise we get compounds, dna, cells. The cells in your brain interact in a manner that controls your body and your thoughts, they are your thoughts in a manner of speaking. These cells act as a machine taking input through senses and releasing output in the form of controlling your body. The machine simply output baseball.
Hard science knows the brain is the mechanism that decided to play baseball. We simply don't know how it came to that decision precisely enough. That is why we have sociology/psychology. Eventually the hard sciences will take these areas as well as we better define the science of thought. In fact we can see this happening already! Labelling different parts of the brain as to what different cells do/controll. Sometimes even as accurate as a few cells. Fields such as optogenetics (a field only a few years old) will define the brain's functions even more. Possibly narrowing down what individual cells do.
No gap in pure logic is needed to describe things. Just the ability to say we don't know this. Or atleast, we aren't certain on this. There is no need for an answer when we DON'T have one.
Religious person: I believe in the word of the lord as written in the bible.
Religious person: I believe stoning people is cruel and more humane punishments should be metted out.
Bible:
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned.
And about 20 other places. Surely this is a contradiction of belief? If the stoning example doesn't work for you there are certainly hundreds of other things that no sensible person would agree with.