I read the Scientific American article too, but if you notice the interconnection points, there is the shortest ammount of roadway, not the shortest/fastest paths. Between three points on a triangle, they intersect in the middle, but it isn't the fastest.
No, in order to solve the classic TSP, you need to make it the shortest round trip, not be cheap on the construction materials! To really do a TSP, you need a permutation generator(got one!), and start trying solutions, prune larger nodes off, and skip, and you'll finally have it.
Granted, it's messy, long, and not too elegant(program the PG to skip bad sequences..), but it's the only way I've found to get there. If the soap array generated the shortest routes, instead of optimized materials, I'd agree/apologise. Still, alternative resouces must always be investigated, you never know what's out there. =)
http://members.nbci.com/forcemajeure/download/m6_n oise.pdf
The idea is the same as the particle decay, except in this case a backward biased transistor is used, which will block most electrons, but some will have enough thermal energy to 'jump the gap'(conduct), which is brownian motion. You could just have easily use a reverse biased diode(hook up cathode(striped) to +, anode to gnd.
Normally you wouldn't care if these are reverse biased, because the leakage current is too small, and 'random'. They sometimes are used as a temperature 'sensor', because the warmer they get, the more likely electrons jump.
I have a need for truly chaotic numbers in encryption, but there are few sources able to do this.
Factors
a) the machine you are running
b) the algorithm you are running
c) said alg. musn't be entropic(run out of 'stuff')
If I had more time to futz(or mebbe i did;), I would come up with a Mandelbrot 'random' generator, because it is computationally intensive, and not predictable. To keep the first two from being a factor, you run the generator during off cycles, when nothing is being sent. The last factor is whether or not the generator will deplete numbers(or repeat). By using mandelbrots, you can use all kinds of data to generate, such as TOD, date, last # of packets and length, yadda, and unless they are running the same data as you, they can't sequence it.
I've been working on one that looked on google for things in sequence, and I would feed the output back into itself, see what new popped back out. If I could just get it to recognise crapo from good returns, I'd be happy. But, as always, if you can't define the problem, how will you solve it?
All my bot did was increment to the next sequence, and send. Unfortunately, browsers are PARANOID! They wont allow reading of the pages, but a *NIX LYNX DOES! Funnel, grep -u, tada! You have a workable find ALL bot. The next step in evolution is to make the beastie mod the results. If it could find bad nodes(reloader pages), that would help, also if it gave information density info.
The last evolution would condense it all into an informative article with such a high information content, you could read it instead of all the other articles, and it would be more "balanced".
The Text Data Mining tool extracted and indexed all words in the data so for example if an analyst was asked whether Iraq ever used anthrax as a weapon, the analyst could open the tool and find anthrax in the automatically generated index.
I fear that the transcriptions will be tampered with, and noone will double check the 'source code'. I mean, if I wanted a transcription of, say, Kevin Mitnick, I supose I'd get a buncha "BLEEP"s. It's scarry in a way, because we will depend on the data more, and double check less. It happens all the time. A slipped digit here, and granny is on the 10:00 news.
I don't find it bad that it can track conversations, and recognise voices, but if eschelon were to pipe this on a foreign server, they could send back the results to Intel(the real one duh!). One slight problem, with the eschelon system-the French accused industrial espionage due to losing an airline contract under questionable circumstances.
What I demand to know, "Who the hell is watching the watchers, eh?" What are their limitations(as per constitution, illegal search and seizure, confiscation of intellectual property, etc.)... Anyone who gives up freedom for security deserves neither.
Ben Franklin
Remember the article last week about the glider/rocket that would refuel? I'm glad the phbs are doing something constructive. What would really be of interest is if you could launch something, say construction material, into low earth orbit, and have a teather shot into low earth orbit, where a passing shuttle could pick the junk up, saving fuel/payload area for more mission crit stuff. I wonder what the lift capacity wiuld be? Cost per baloon? Its gotta be less than a Proton!
I know we all want security, but at the price of liberty?
Do we deserve either then?
What I envision happening is a few perps will get busted, then the internet annon idea melts down. Then what? Think these perps will just go away?
IRChat>...Geez d00dz, y got buzted. Whut we gunna do?
IRChat>...Do what we always do, find another way.
From what I understand, these folks wont stop until they are dead. They will just find another way to abuse. Besides, any system that can't be abused isn't worth a damn. Think about it.
I liked the idea about annon cards bought for 100 hours, because things are abused LEGALLY day in and day out. Big Brother is watching.
It seems to me the business majors would have a field day with other fields geeks. It would prove if they knew their stuff! Then again, if you want to test raw skill at learning, a first person scroller ain't it. Mebbe Starcraft isn't such a bad choice....
I think it's like diamond shaped crystal growth along a surface, adding bits along the edges, rather than an exponential growth. I've added growth charts to show what I mean. A '1' can only build 2's(for efficiency sake), 2->3, so on, and a 'b' unit(second gen) can build a 'c', 'd', and 'e', with all resources used up. In other words, max useful assembly life of these things is t+3, because the one that built them is on one side.
Growth pattern
---4
--434
-43234
4321234
-43234
--434
---4
You get the idea, I hope. It isn't quite a Von Neumon(sp) machine, but getting there! The idea is to make two, then go out and explore, colonise and whatever. I think the nanos are on the right track, but How they do it is another thing! Why, at 100 microns, they could assemble circuitry! Imagine the non-lithography, no chemical advantage! neat! I just can't wait for them to check microstructures for flaws, improving quality, etc.
The temperatures that are generated are offset by feature size? If not, the heat generated might start melting things a bit.
If you go to an opto system, speed will always be coefficient of medium, ~3,000,000kps. But when you transfer energy, if it isn't converted back into signal, heat is generated too. What would be way kewl(Cool!) is integrated Peltier junctions to help dissipate heat. Built in heal sink!
Another thing is the inductive coupling of longer wires. There's a reason why all those stupid ground returns on a parallel cable! They redirect the induced signal to gnd. Capacitance effectively blunts the wavefront of a signal, but if they work with soliton pulses(essentially a pre squished square wave), they have nothing to blunt/induce. Induction is a rise time effect more than anything else. The trouble with solitons is when is the bloody thing a 0/1???
The whole song Twistin In The Wind is great, no doubt a member's personal tragedy, our gain. But, how do you take a subject and jump start it to music?
The next logical question is who is your guy's fav. artists? Weird Al? INXS? Cars? Huey Louis? Hootie?
Sure!, why not? [Latency] Some posters said it is like a liquid crystal effect, but not in all ways. It stays whatever orientation it is after the juice is cut, wheras an LCD will blank. It makes a storage device possible, and if you cram a bunch of these molecules onto a disk(needing 1 molecule thickness), a suitable R/W head, you're talking serious storage(100terabyte disks!) [Optical computing] as long as the structures aim light at the molecule, detect it, I see no reason why not. They(opto chips) would need to polarise light to notice the difference, or use a detector that knew the angle of rotation. [Heat] Bane of all computing and mechanical devices, is the molecule stable over a wide temperature range? It would be the only forseeable problem to making an opto chip. So long as we are using packets of energy to represent on-off states, it will generate heat. Drain it away quickly enough, no problem. [Nano-nano] If one wanted to wiggle a molecule to do work, no. It is too small(but efficient, 1 electron!), and the mass it could move would depend on the momentum of the electron itself. Not a very useful bit of energy, even if incorporated into long chains, they would still be of little effect. If however, the molecule changes shape, say 40% difference in forms, or straight to a ball, it might be a first step. What I do see is a replacement for paper, electronicaly written to, and erased, reused. Or an entire screen(you wouldn't need a super fast refresh rate, but it would need to remove the electron as well, meaning a CRT is out). Or, as another reader eludes to, suspend into a matrix, and make holograms(again, adding/removing the elecron is tricky part) How about this for scary, put a bunch of non-toxic molecules on the surface of your eye, and recieve stock quotes all day.(or the stupid ads paying for it....)
What is beauty? Does all beauty have a common theme? What about Love? Does it too? Fun? Hate? Good/Bad? Ugly?(may not be opposite of Beauty!) If you can quantify what these things are, you are well on the way to the human condition. If you can make the results meaningful, try interpreting economics to benefit the most, not the privileged. Try to invent a universal meaning engine for people who context things differently, not just subject/verb/object, but mean something different. Have it discover insights into authors, and find hidden meanings in political speeches, etc. The list goes on ad infinatum, but noone has done any research on these. Philosophers, maybe, but not bit heads. Good luck.
My only objection in terms is they may be mis/applied to me. If/.s say we are hackers, we know what we mean. But, if the FBI were to call us "hackers", meaning enthusiast, and misunderstood as "crackers", or malicious folk out to dammage, I'd say it matters a world of difference. Someone has recently called me a hacker, and was "going to be nice" and not press charges as long as I mind my own business-not using their equipment to do my business. The term hacker was misused because it was an invocation of fear, the inability to control me and what I did(I asked the true expert if I did what I'm accused of, he said no, to a shade of gray tho, and their solution was to social engineer me, not provide a technical solution. Voila!, I'm a hacker.) In a day and age where the slightest misconception can wind you up dead, fired, sued, or any number of things, YOU BET it matters!
I read all the posts. I'm not a big fan of Seganism, saying life must be out there, but the atmosphere/pressure of Venus, along with the temp, should sterilize to perfection. I read the post about sulphur compounds, and noting that: 1) reactions happen faster at higher temps,800+ 2) Venus is oxygen poor 3) Venus has atmosphere of sulpheric acid(very reactive) I conclude that Venus would, if it could, produce some weird life. Life has a reproductive quality, and here it pretty much covers every nook and cranny. Bottom of oceans, nearly inside volcanoes, etc. If Venus had life, it should blanket it, not being too different anywhere on the surface. I think life has to have a template, and I don't see sulpheric acid doing anything to promote that (although digestion is an acidic process). If we don't see life flourish near, chances are smaller for being there further out. The Russian Venera probe sent back pics of what was hell, not a paradise, and Mars probes haven't done better. Maybe moons would be a better choice?
1) Log on to the following address http://skyscraper.fortunecity. com/gpfault/134/dloads FYI, this is not a hacking site. 2) Click on any of the first array of names. Either something will reply 'Bad File Type', or pop up 'Pick App'. If 'Pick App', browse and find any file you want to run, Click. WARNING!: I accept NO responsibility for anyone using this technique, however, I can provide the cure for this, as a consultant. If I am going to be branded a threat thank-you-very-much, I would like you good folks to accuse me of being a white hat. UWMilwaukee Golda Meir Library ran me off, calling me a pornagrapher, for no reason other than finding their mistakes, and that they hire incompetent people, unable to stop this. I offered to fix their flaws, and they'd rather fix me. They might be able to ban me from the entire UW system, depending on how court goes(yes!) Also, Marquette University has some of the same flaws, but minor. I would check your systems, sysadmins. This one will work BEHIND a firewall! Email me, I could use some help myself. =(
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I read the Scientific American article too, but if you notice the interconnection points, there is the shortest ammount of roadway, not the shortest/fastest paths. Between three points on a triangle, they intersect in the middle, but it isn't the fastest.
No, in order to solve the classic TSP, you need to make it the shortest round trip, not be cheap on the construction materials! To really do a TSP, you need a permutation generator(got one!), and start trying solutions, prune larger nodes off, and skip, and you'll finally have it.
Granted, it's messy, long, and not too elegant(program the PG to skip bad sequences..), but it's the only way I've found to get there. If the soap array generated the shortest routes, instead of optimized materials, I'd agree/apologise. Still, alternative resouces must always be investigated, you never know what's out there. =)
http://members.nbci.com/forcemajeure/download/m6_n oise.pdf
The idea is the same as the particle decay, except in this case a backward biased transistor is used, which will block most electrons, but some will have enough thermal energy to 'jump the gap'(conduct), which is brownian motion. You could just have easily use a reverse biased diode(hook up cathode(striped) to +, anode to gnd.
Normally you wouldn't care if these are reverse biased, because the leakage current is too small, and 'random'. They sometimes are used as a temperature 'sensor', because the warmer they get, the more likely electrons jump.
Factors
a) the machine you are running
b) the algorithm you are running
c) said alg. musn't be entropic(run out of 'stuff')
If I had more time to futz(or mebbe i did ;), I would come up with a Mandelbrot 'random' generator, because it is computationally intensive, and not predictable. To keep the first two from being a factor, you run the generator during off cycles, when nothing is being sent. The last factor is whether or not the generator will deplete numbers(or repeat). By using mandelbrots, you can use all kinds of data to generate, such as TOD, date, last # of packets and length, yadda, and unless they are running the same data as you, they can't sequence it.
I've been working on one that looked on google for things in sequence, and I would feed the output back into itself, see what new popped back out. If I could just get it to recognise crapo from good returns, I'd be happy. But, as always, if you can't define the problem, how will you solve it?
All my bot did was increment to the next sequence, and send. Unfortunately, browsers are PARANOID! They wont allow reading of the pages, but a *NIX LYNX DOES! Funnel, grep -u, tada! You have a workable find ALL bot.
The next step in evolution is to make the beastie mod the results. If it could find bad nodes(reloader pages), that would help, also if it gave information density info.
The last evolution would condense it all into an informative article with such a high information content, you could read it instead of all the other articles, and it would be more "balanced".
I fear that the transcriptions will be tampered with, and noone will double check the 'source code'. I mean, if I wanted a transcription of, say, Kevin Mitnick, I supose I'd get a buncha "BLEEP"s. It's scarry in a way, because we will depend on the data more, and double check less. It happens all the time. A slipped digit here, and granny is on the 10:00 news.
I don't find it bad that it can track conversations, and recognise voices, but if eschelon were to pipe this on a foreign server, they could send back the results to Intel(the real one duh!). One slight problem, with the eschelon system-the French accused industrial espionage due to losing an airline contract under questionable circumstances.
What I demand to know, "Who the hell is watching the watchers, eh?" What are their limitations(as per constitution, illegal search and seizure, confiscation of intellectual property, etc.)...
Anyone who gives up freedom for security deserves neither.
Ben Franklin
When we have seen Alexander Bell revolutionize the then telegraph into the telephone industry, the critics all said, "It's only for fun(music), not real use." /. because it has a tech edge that may not deliver all promised, but it does deliver. Just like phones of yore, people are waking up to the fact the technology is a tool, EMPOWERMENT! If they have access, curiousity will take them places they could never go before. TV was a way to manipulate and sell ad space, 'program' people to use products, promote Political speak, and dumbs down. What you expect is what you get.
I don't think the net started off in such a fashion, but I see similarities(novelty wearing off, real use...)
I think it's a wonderful thing, when the net reflects more of what WE? are. Suppose, for example, we have more participation in political forums ala net, what do you think will happen?
Or suppose some -o- those po' folk manage to get a better education(managers cringing everywhere) wnd demand a better standard of living.
No, I don't think it's a matter of "Me too"isms. I think people can see more potential than the TV. Bandwidth be damned, people want a creative outlet, not just a better "brain morgue©".(I hope&&pray) People want interactive at a level 'we' never had before. The NET doesn't care if you belong to a country club, own a BMW, or other facades. It exists for the user without typecast(kinda like Javascript, no?)
I like
Nah, my vote is for telephones...
Remember the article last week about the glider/rocket that would refuel? I'm glad the phbs are doing something constructive. What would really be of interest is if you could launch something, say construction material, into low earth orbit, and have a teather shot into low earth orbit, where a passing shuttle could pick the junk up, saving fuel/payload area for more mission crit stuff.
I wonder what the lift capacity wiuld be? Cost per baloon? Its gotta be less than a Proton!
Do we deserve either then?
What I envision happening is a few perps will get busted, then the internet annon idea melts down. Then what? Think these perps will just go away?
IRChat>...Geez d00dz, y got buzted. Whut we gunna do?
IRChat>...Do what we always do, find another way.
From what I understand, these folks wont stop until they are dead. They will just find another way to abuse. Besides, any system that can't be abused isn't worth a damn. Think about it.
I liked the idea about annon cards bought for 100 hours, because things are abused LEGALLY day in and day out. Big Brother is watching.
It seems to me the business majors would have a field day with other fields geeks. It would prove if they knew their stuff! Then again, if you want to test raw skill at learning, a first person scroller ain't it. Mebbe Starcraft isn't such a bad choice....
A '1' can only build 2's(for efficiency sake), 2->3, so on, and a 'b' unit(second gen) can build a 'c', 'd', and 'e', with all resources used up. In other words, max useful assembly life of these things is t+3, because the one that built them is on one side.
Growth pattern
---4
--434
-43234
4321234
-43234
--434
---4
Lattice timing chart
_______|5F|__|3E|__
_______|4E|__|2D|__|4F|__
_|5E|4D|3C|2B|1A|2C|3D|4E|5F|_
____|5F|__|3D|__|3E|__|5G|
__________|4E|__
You get the idea, I hope. It isn't quite a Von Neumon(sp) machine, but getting there! The idea is to make two, then go out and explore, colonise and whatever. I think the nanos are on the right track, but How they do it is another thing! Why, at 100 microns, they could assemble circuitry! Imagine the non-lithography, no chemical advantage! neat!
I just can't wait for them to check microstructures for flaws, improving quality, etc.
If you go to an opto system, speed will always be coefficient of medium, ~3,000,000kps. But when you transfer energy, if it isn't converted back into signal, heat is generated too. What would be way kewl(Cool!) is integrated Peltier junctions to help dissipate heat. Built in heal sink!
Another thing is the inductive coupling of longer wires. There's a reason why all those stupid ground returns on a parallel cable! They redirect the induced signal to gnd. Capacitance effectively blunts the wavefront of a signal, but if they work with soliton pulses(essentially a pre squished square wave), they have nothing to blunt/induce. Induction is a rise time effect more than anything else. The trouble with solitons is when is the bloody thing a 0/1???
The whole song Twistin In The Wind is great, no doubt a member's personal tragedy, our gain. But, how do you take a subject and jump start it to music?
The next logical question is who is your guy's fav. artists? Weird Al? INXS? Cars? Huey Louis? Hootie?
Sure!, why not?
[Latency] Some posters said it is like a liquid crystal effect, but not in all ways. It stays whatever orientation it is after the juice is cut, wheras an LCD will blank. It makes a storage device possible, and if you cram a bunch of these molecules onto a disk(needing 1 molecule thickness), a suitable R/W head, you're talking serious storage(100terabyte disks!)
[Optical computing] as long as the structures aim light at the molecule, detect it, I see no reason why not. They(opto chips) would need to polarise light to notice the difference, or use a detector that knew the angle of rotation.
[Heat] Bane of all computing and mechanical devices, is the molecule stable over a wide temperature range? It would be the only forseeable problem to making an opto chip. So long as we are using packets of energy to represent on-off states, it will generate heat. Drain it away quickly enough, no problem.
[Nano-nano] If one wanted to wiggle a molecule to do work, no. It is too small(but efficient, 1 electron!), and the mass it could move would depend on the momentum of the electron itself. Not a very useful bit of energy, even if incorporated into long chains, they would still be of little effect. If however, the molecule changes shape, say 40% difference in forms, or straight to a ball, it might be a first step.
What I do see is a replacement for paper, electronicaly written to, and erased, reused. Or an entire screen(you wouldn't need a super fast refresh rate, but it would need to remove the electron as well, meaning a CRT is out).
Or, as another reader eludes to, suspend into a matrix, and make holograms(again, adding/removing the elecron is tricky part)
How about this for scary, put a bunch of non-toxic molecules on the surface of your eye, and recieve stock quotes all day.(or the stupid ads paying for it....)
What about Love? Does it too? Fun? Hate? Good/Bad? Ugly?(may not be opposite of Beauty!)
If you can quantify what these things are, you are well on the way to the human condition. If you can make the results meaningful, try interpreting economics to benefit the most, not the privileged.
Try to invent a universal meaning engine for people who context things differently, not just subject/verb/object, but mean something different. Have it discover insights into authors, and find hidden meanings in political speeches, etc.
The list goes on ad infinatum, but noone has done any research on these. Philosophers, maybe, but not bit heads. Good luck.
This e-mail will self destruct in five sec..*
My only objection in terms is they may be mis/applied to me. If /.s say we are hackers, we know what we mean. But, if the FBI were to call us "hackers", meaning enthusiast, and misunderstood as "crackers", or malicious folk out to dammage, I'd say it matters a world of difference.
Someone has recently called me a hacker, and was "going to be nice" and not press charges as long as I mind my own business-not using their equipment to do my business. The term hacker was misused because it was an invocation of fear, the inability to control me and what I did(I asked the true expert if I did what I'm accused of, he said no, to a shade of gray tho, and their solution was to social engineer me, not provide a technical solution. Voila!, I'm a hacker.)
In a day and age where the slightest misconception can wind you up dead, fired, sued, or any number of things, YOU BET it matters!
I read all the posts.
I'm not a big fan of Seganism, saying life must be out there, but the atmosphere/pressure of Venus, along with the temp, should sterilize to perfection. I read the post about sulphur compounds, and noting that:
1) reactions happen faster at higher temps,800+
2) Venus is oxygen poor
3) Venus has atmosphere of sulpheric acid(very reactive)
I conclude that Venus would, if it could, produce some weird life.
Life has a reproductive quality, and here it pretty much covers every nook and cranny. Bottom of oceans, nearly inside volcanoes, etc. If Venus had life, it should blanket it, not being too different anywhere on the surface.
I think life has to have a template, and I don't see sulpheric acid doing anything to promote that (although digestion is an acidic process). If we don't see life flourish near, chances are smaller for being there further out.
The Russian Venera probe sent back pics of what was hell, not a paradise, and Mars probes haven't done better. Maybe moons would be a better choice?
1) Log on to the following address
http://skyscraper.fortunecity. com/gpfault/134/dloads FYI, this is not a hacking site.
2) Click on any of the first array of names. Either something will reply 'Bad File Type', or pop up 'Pick App'. If 'Pick App', browse and find any file you want to run, Click.
WARNING!: I accept NO responsibility for anyone using this technique, however, I can provide the cure for this, as a consultant. If I am going to be branded a threat thank-you-very-much, I would like you good folks to accuse me of being a white hat.
UWMilwaukee Golda Meir Library ran me off, calling me a pornagrapher, for no reason other than finding their mistakes, and that they hire incompetent people, unable to stop this. I offered to fix their flaws, and they'd rather fix me. They might be able to ban me from the entire UW system, depending on how court goes(yes!) Also, Marquette University has some of the same flaws, but minor. I would check your systems, sysadmins. This one will work BEHIND a firewall!
Email me, I could use some help myself. =(