Try the HP Pavilion ze2000 (upgraded the RAM to 1GB).
1.6GHz Single Core 32bit CPU 1GB RAM. ATi Mobility 200.
Had an issue during the first boot into "Windows" as it froze explorer when "Setting Up Personalization". Ended task, rebooted into safe mode, logged in. Rebooted into normal mode and it let me in.
Installed updates, no additional drivers were needed, ran Windows Experience Index, scored 2. What *really* amazed the hell out of me is that it enabled Aero and actually runs quite smoothly!
Vista would never have run on this, and even XP was a dog on it. I was weeks away from tossing this thing. Now I am reconsidering...
I've installed this beta on a notebook with a 1.6 GHz single core CPU with only 1GB of RAm and a Mobility 200GPU.
If it requires 1.5GB "more" of RAM than XP, it must be getting the remainder through some wormhole or something. (Aero is enabled, runs smoothly when running a limited number of applications, anything more is taxing the limited amount of RAM more than the OS)
Name one average customer that would even know where to *begin* "configuring their system".
80/20 rule. If over 80% of the users would rather just be able to turn it on and use it (and find it usable in that state), the less than 20% who don't (You and I) will have to find alternatives.
Linux is not even close to being in that "80" part.
Because 90% of the people buying the OS don't need server OS features and those buying the server OS sure as hell don't need the desktop feature headaches?
The bridge was inspected *annually* since 1993. The *only* reason it was not inspected in 2007 was because of construction, not failure to fund inspectors.
*sigh*
Love people trying to talk out of their asses about things they know next to nothing about...
Bull. it had nothing to do with funding as has been proven. Over. And over. And over.
Hell, you think the roads have it bad? Do you know why?
All of our gas taxes go into the "general fund". Care to take a wild stab at how much of it actually makes it to our roads?
Raising taxes will simply feed the general fund and have virtually zero impact on the roads as folks would rather force drivers onto the sidestreets (thus forcing the munis to build roundabouts) than spend any of that money "fixing" the I35, I94, 169, 696, or 694.
From your OP: "Microsoft's reliance on having to come up with new versions of their OS to impose their vision on the consumer rather than listen..."
Perhaps not word for word, but the implication was most definitely there.
I know, the memory is always the second thing to go...;)
If the implication was not intended, I hereby withdraw my somewhat scornful reply. I know that text does sometimes carry meanings unintended as the tone is applied by the reader, not the writer.
As for a stable OS out of the box, I have yet to find one that is reliable on *any* configuration. Best of luck on your search for that elusive goldmine.:)
Right..because the customers don't *want* a dumbed down OS that does damned near anything right out of the box (and yes, you are going to think it's bloated). And that's not even bringing to bear the millions they spend yearly on analyzing the data from their tracking, surveys, usage patterns and so on.
*laughing*
A little out of touch with the reality of the consumer market, are we?
You're probably right. That's certainly why old users of Win XP are abandonning that obsolete platform to rush in droves to purchase the light, fast and highly efficient Windows Vista. My, do I love me that Aero theme and translucent gadget sidebar.
*laughing*
Because they can't listen to their customers *and* have a completely fubar'd development process?
Right...
Newsflash! They can listen to their customer *and* still screw up. They aren't mutually exclusive!
{cue shock and amazement that things can be more complex than you seem to want to believe in your narrow views.}
Right..because the customers don't *want* a dumbed down OS that does damned near anything right out of the box (and yes, you are going to think it's bloated). And that's not even bringing to bear the millions they spend yearly on analyzing the data from their tracking, surveys, usage patterns and so on.
*laughing*
A little out of touch with the reality of the consumer market, are we?
Because it's Vista R2 and they didn't want to break compatibility of apps looking at the version numbers?
They explained why they did it that way. Many apps look at the version numbers (That's why when XP came out we were all setting the "version" key int eh registry back to 2k).
This is one of the simplest things MSFT could do to avoid the most basic compatibility issues.
I can see why you'd have a problem with that....not.
Agreed on all counts. Abiword is definitely a good replacement.
That said, wordpad has undergone some serious work (albeit the only work really done on it since it came into existence) for Windows 7....of course, you'll get that lovely "ribbon" UI that everyone seems to love to hate, so YMMV.
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Keep on pretending. Your "friend" lied.
Heh...
Try the HP Pavilion ze2000 (upgraded the RAM to 1GB).
1.6GHz Single Core 32bit CPU
1GB RAM.
ATi Mobility 200.
Had an issue during the first boot into "Windows" as it froze explorer when "Setting Up Personalization". Ended task, rebooted into safe mode, logged in. Rebooted into normal mode and it let me in.
Installed updates, no additional drivers were needed, ran Windows Experience Index, scored 2. What *really* amazed the hell out of me is that it enabled Aero and actually runs quite smoothly!
Vista would never have run on this, and even XP was a dog on it. I was weeks away from tossing this thing. Now I am reconsidering...
Are you high?
1.5GB?
"more"??
I've installed this beta on a notebook with a 1.6 GHz single core CPU with only 1GB of RAm and a Mobility 200GPU.
If it requires 1.5GB "more" of RAM than XP, it must be getting the remainder through some wormhole or something. (Aero is enabled, runs smoothly when running a limited number of applications, anything more is taxing the limited amount of RAM more than the OS)
Wow. Good thing he didn't say he had a 12GB SSD, or you'd have burst a few blood vessels.
"Hard Drive" is meaningless in your little "Press Release".
Anyone have a spare clue for this poor SOB?
Learn to read. Windows 7 "Ultimate" takes ~6 to 9 GB depending on who you talk to.
Install Ubuntu. Let me know how that, the swap partition, and such add up.
Thanks, genius.
No idea.
I installed this on a 1.6 Ghz (single Core ancient laptop with 1GB of RAM and an ATi Mobility 200 Integrated GPU.
After running Windows Experience Index, much to my absolute shock, it enabled Aero and actually rune *well*.
Vista never would have done this in a million years. I believe Windows 7 runs *better* at it's "minimum requirements" than Vista ever did or will.
To add to this, Virtual CloneDrive works in both the 32-bit and 64-bit flavors of Windoes 7 (after a reboot it doesn't tell you it needs).
Good god...
I'd like that. You'd like that.
Name one average customer that would even know where to *begin* "configuring their system".
80/20 rule. If over 80% of the users would rather just be able to turn it on and use it (and find it usable in that state), the less than 20% who don't (You and I) will have to find alternatives.
Linux is not even close to being in that "80" part.
*sigh*
Because 90% of the people buying the OS don't need server OS features and those buying the server OS sure as hell don't need the desktop feature headaches?
The bridge was inspected *annually* since 1993. The *only* reason it was not inspected in 2007 was because of construction, not failure to fund inspectors.
*sigh*
Love people trying to talk out of their asses about things they know next to nothing about...
Funny how virtually no-one in the consumer space uses it. Thus my point.
Your lack of understanding of the consumer market is not a "win" in anyone's book.
Ah! My favorite passtime.
Dang youngins.
Bull. it had nothing to do with funding as has been proven. Over. And over. And over.
Hell, you think the roads have it bad? Do you know why?
All of our gas taxes go into the "general fund". Care to take a wild stab at how much of it actually makes it to our roads?
Raising taxes will simply feed the general fund and have virtually zero impact on the roads as folks would rather force drivers onto the sidestreets (thus forcing the munis to build roundabouts) than spend any of that money "fixing" the I35, I94, 169, 696, or 694.
So, the gusset plate was a "funding" failure, not a "mechanical" failure?
Sure...
I suppose all it needed was a few million thrown at it.
Hey, bridges collapse. It's a fact of life. Sure, we try to prevent it, but money doesn't solve everything.
Minnesota happens to be in the top 6 as far as taxes go, and I'd rather not see it go any higher, thank you very much.
BTW: The bridge collapse happened just over a year ago. Not a couple of years ago.
Pure genius.
Indeed, we can.
However, you did say just that:
From your OP:
"Microsoft's reliance on having to come up with new versions of their OS to impose their vision on the consumer rather than listen..."
Perhaps not word for word, but the implication was most definitely there.
I know, the memory is always the second thing to go... ;)
If the implication was not intended, I hereby withdraw my somewhat scornful reply. I know that text does sometimes carry meanings unintended as the tone is applied by the reader, not the writer.
As for a stable OS out of the box, I have yet to find one that is reliable on *any* configuration. Best of luck on your search for that elusive goldmine. :)
Windows does not write the drivers that are included with Windows. Just an FYI.
Those come directly from the manufacturer of the device.
"As far as I am concerned, there should be no difference between 'Server' OS and 'Desktop' OS,"
*laughing*
Then you shouldn't be using Windows. Period. That's not what it was *ever* intended to be.
Again, you're grading something based on your ideals, and not the intent of the creator. Amazingly...it falls short of your ideal. Go figure...
The market has decided that Server and Desktop OSes be two entirely separate beasts. That's reality. Sorry you can't seem to get a grip on it...
My guess is that you must be incredibly familiar with disappointment...
Exactly.
"My main desktop, it wouldn't even install without some major work!"
Sounds like a driver issue.
"Then there's my webserver. LAMP stack, SMTP and IMAP servers"
Sounds like you're using a desktop OS to do the job of a Server OS. Funny how that didn't work out as well as you seem to expect it would.
Perhaps your expectations are about as acute as the OP's understanding of the consumer market?
Right..because the customers don't *want* a dumbed down OS that does damned near anything right out of the box (and yes, you are going to think it's bloated). And that's not even bringing to bear the millions they spend yearly on analyzing the data from their tracking, surveys, usage patterns and so on.
*laughing*
A little out of touch with the reality of the consumer market, are we?
You're probably right. That's certainly why old users of Win XP are abandonning that obsolete platform to rush in droves to purchase the light, fast and highly efficient Windows Vista. My, do I love me that Aero theme and translucent gadget sidebar.
*laughing*
Because they can't listen to their customers *and* have a completely fubar'd development process?
Right...
Newsflash! They can listen to their customer *and* still screw up. They aren't mutually exclusive!
{cue shock and amazement that things can be more complex than you seem to want to believe in your narrow views.}
Drek.
Microsoft doesn't listen to it's customers?
Right..because the customers don't *want* a dumbed down OS that does damned near anything right out of the box (and yes, you are going to think it's bloated). And that's not even bringing to bear the millions they spend yearly on analyzing the data from their tracking, surveys, usage patterns and so on.
*laughing*
A little out of touch with the reality of the consumer market, are we?
Take a look at MSFT's release cycles prior to Vista.
~3 years is nothing new. Not even close.
Why?
Because it's Vista R2 and they didn't want to break compatibility of apps looking at the version numbers?
They explained why they did it that way. Many apps look at the version numbers (That's why when XP came out we were all setting the "version" key int eh registry back to 2k).
This is one of the simplest things MSFT could do to avoid the most basic compatibility issues.
I can see why you'd have a problem with that....not.
Because he is trolling?
DRM _support_ isn't active unless you are _viewing_ protected content.
It doesn't affect performance in the slightest when not accessing protected content.
We all know that. He knows that. He's trolling.
Agreed on all counts. Abiword is definitely a good replacement.
That said, wordpad has undergone some serious work (albeit the only work really done on it since it came into existence) for Windows 7. ...of course, you'll get that lovely "ribbon" UI that everyone seems to love to hate, so YMMV.
To use OpenOffice?
FFS.... If you people ever want to get people to use OSS, you seriously need to get over your superiority complex.