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a correction, if you will, from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods [I have excerpted the following from two paragraphs]

"The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on 13 March 1962 as a preliminary submission for planning purposes. The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended that both the covert and overt aspects of any such operation be assigned to them.

The previously secret document was originally made public on 18 November 1997, by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board,[4] a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination.[5][6]"

Please note the first release was 35 years (more of a quibble and still a remarkably long time) and it was done by people working at a federal agency, not by an outside party using FOIA. Please also note that the memorandum outlined over a dozen covert actions and among them were several domestic terrorist acts. Most if not all were designed to be bloodless, from my reading. Had they happened it's anyone's guess as to unforeseen consequences, of course.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html
source: From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following.
  Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.
From my reading, the material here taken from the book is not consistent with documents that were already in the public record. While I've read Bamford from "The Puzzle Palace" on, the number of errors here show me his account of Northwood is to be taken with a bit of salt. See caveat below.

http://911review.com/precedent/century/northwoods.html
The first half of the web page presents from what I can figure a pretty good account with a timeline for the release of documents. It iterates the account at Wikipedia and for all I know uses the same sources if not just lifting it.

http://www.net4truthusa.com/operationnorthwoods.htm has photocopies of pages from the memorandum as do others. Also, check out their "music jukebox time machine."

So, the first release comes from a federal agency in 1997. Several sites have photocopies of the memorandum. I used "operation northwoods" as search term in duckduckgo for all of this.

All accounts are a retelling from that point, some better than others. As for Bamford's book, I'd have to start with looking at his footnotes and sources, particularly where he seems to be rather free with quotations from conversations. If he had good additional sources, on or off the record, it would help to more easily accept his version.

Precisely how they did it is yet to be revealed by a truly independent investigation with full subpoena power. This timeline leaves no doubt that the official story is a crock of lies, and indicates a number of people who should be taken in for questioning. For a longer exposition including proof of controlled demolitions, details of disinformation tactics, and information on moving companies, a "factoring company" that specializes in "unconventional transactions worldwide" and deals with the Pentagon, the CIA and the FBI, and possible links to organized crime, see here.

Pre-9/11 Timeline

1946: July 22. Menachem Begin's Irgun Jewish terrorists dress as Arabs and bomb the King David Hotel, killing 92 people. The Irgun also plot to assassinate British foreign secretary Ernest Bevin; fortunately, this conspiracy is foiled by MI6.

1948: May 14. David Ben-Gurion declares the independence of the new Zionist State of Israel, born from deception and from the blood of victims of Jewish terrorism hours before the British Mandate is due to expire. It takes effect at midnight, Tel Aviv time. May 15. Eleven minutes after midnight, U.S. President Harry Truman officially recognises the proclaimed Jewish state in Palestine.

1954: July. An Israeli spy ring is arrested in Egypt. These Israeli secret service agents have been assigned to attack U.S. and British interests in Egypt. "Operation Susannah" is a typical example of false-flag terrorism in which the perpetrators pin the blame on another party - in this case, Egypt and "the Arabs" - for political gain. The operation is unsuccessful, the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon is forced to resign as a result of the scandal, and the incident becomes known as the Lavon Affair.

1967: June 8. Israel carries out a sustained air and naval attack on the USS Liberty for over an hour, employing torpedoes, machine guns and napalm rockets, even to the extent of machine-gunning lifeboats launched to save the most seriously wounded. 34 men are killed and more than 170 wounded.

1983: Christopher Bollyn marries

It's not like the U.S. hasn't done it before:

History of American False Flag Operations:
http://www.911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

-- Terry

You still here? If you questioned the leadership as much as you question me, would any of us be in the situation we find ourselves?
Photo and data manipulation by experts is far more subtler than my blatant attempts. I showed you this photo rather than this one.
Why is it that day after day, hour by hour, the American people were shown this yet not much of the Pentagram other than this, even though many video tapes were seized. What are people hiding?
People are more interested in two train wrecks like Charlie and LiLo and yet, two other train wrecks like this and this here have greater impact on American policy.
Politicians elected to office by 51% of the vote consider it a mandate, so what does this article say about the pissed off American voter? Politicians in office for more than two terms do not care about their constituents, this is my opinion. Two states and possibly three have decided to go back on their contract agreements. Considering how the American people were left with a bag of worms when Wall Street and the banksters tanked the economy and the politicians used taxpayer money to bail them out so the Wallstreeters and banksters could continue with their obscene bonuses, is it possible that the repercussions in Bell, California could escalate across the country all the way to Washington DC, I wonder?
When the Europeans arrived in North, Central and South America, they first de-stabilized the indigenous people and then decimated them. Just ask any Native American Indian what they think of US government agreements. Now, the American people are being de-stabilized, what next?
It's really been fun debating this with you, but I must move on. So long and thanks for all the fish.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2001/09/19perkal.html
http://911review.com/attack/pentagon/witnesses.html

There is no cordite on airliners.

They read about it on the Interwebs, and co-opted their spam partners to do the dirty work.

Really. Scouts honor.

Does this: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0203/pentagon.cr ash.gallery/7.pentagon.burning.jpg
look like a "10 foot wide hole"?
Or are you perhaps refering to this:
http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/exit 2.jpg
, which is a 'punch out' hole from either the nose of the plane, or created by the rescue workers onsite (depends on who you ask). Either way, it is NOT the main crash area.

no left over debris

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/debris.html

video and pictures of the Pentagon still completely intact

This:
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/images/074-large.j pg
is "intact"?

See http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/dama ge_comp.jpg also

Does this: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0203/pentagon.cr ash.gallery/7.pentagon.burning.jpg
look like a "10 foot wide hole"?
Or are you perhaps refering to this:
http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/exit 2.jpg
, which is a 'punch out' hole from either the nose of the plane, or created by the rescue workers onsite (depends on who you ask). Either way, it is NOT the main crash area.

no left over debris

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/debris.html

video and pictures of the Pentagon still completely intact

This:
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/images/074-large.j pg
is "intact"?

See http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/dama ge_comp.jpg also

The third WTC building on 911 collapsed without ANYTHING touching it. It just collapsed straight down as if it had been demolished. They even abandoned it first. It was UNDAMAGED until it collapsed.

The HOLE in the pentagon was not large enough for the plane that struck.

The jet fuel of an airliner doesn't burn hot enough to melt the structural steel that was used in the WTC buildings. Yet they found molten steel in the wreckage.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7842741 50 9736411725&q=wtc+3
That was not an airplane strike, it was demolition.

-FL

"President Bush revealed today there is a shadow government run by people who live outside of Washington in bunkers in case Washington was ever attacked. I thought the shadow government was the one Enron bought with all those contributions." --Jay Leno

So what you are proposing has never happened before?

Even in situations with FAR worse conditions such as entire large portions of buildings FULLY ENGULFED in flames for many HOURS, even days?

Even though the towers where SPECIFICALLY designed to withstand the damage of aircraft of almost identical size to the ones that crashed?

Even though they were designed to be able to stand with MORE THAN AN ENTIRE SIDE (ie 25% of the total) of the outer columns severed?

and your proof/evidence to support this wild and unreasonable conjecture is what exactly?

duh...I dunno, the hot fire, its burny, steel doesnt like the burny burny..goes boom all fall down.

(oh and you forget, WTC7 had no plane hit it. Claims that it had large diesel tanks on fire within it are just that, claims, and there are MANY VARYING reports on the severity of the damage and fires within WTC7, from different firefighters. You know, changing/inconsistant stories, the sort of thing that normally would make a witness statement doubtfull.)

P.S., this is not about Bush. Bush is a patsy. He almost certainly knew something was coming, but I personally doubt he planned it (plausable deniability and all that). Watch these very interesting videos and read these reports properly, preferably in this order, then do your own research on the issues involved, and see whether you still think there is no hidden agenda/conspiracy in play, and that you havent been lied to.(you can call it a (anti)propaganda course if you like, I dont care, just watch it)

1.) "The Money Masters" part 1 part2on google video (not even 9/11 related, but EVERYONE should watch this, and make their own minds up whether they believe it.)

2.) "truth and lies of 9/11" on google video (by an ex narcotics policeman with a long family history of inteligence/enforcement etc)

3.) WACO rules of engagement part1 part2, just to show you this sort of thing (media lies, government coverups) is not just bush related

4.) JFK II the bush connection you can disbelieve the bush connection if you want, the point to get from this film is the amount of lying to the public and complete disinformation that comes through the media

5.) getting into 9/11 now: read these reports: "why indeed did the WTC buildings collapse" (by a physics proffessor at BYU, make sure you watch the WTC7 collapse footage as well, its only short.

6.) ...WTC...Why the Official Account Cannot Be True for all of you who think you are being "scientific" or using common sense in doubting the conspiracy theories.

lastly, do your own research, use your own brain. www.scholarsfor911truth.org is a nice starting place. lookup WTC Gold repository, alex jones predicts 911 (you tube), the lone gunman pilot episode (you tube), afghanistan oil pipeline, opium production in afghanistan, bin laden fake tapes (his nose is WRONG, among other things, its not him), put options, securacom, WTC power downs, "everybodies gotta learn sometime" (google video), cheney "does the order still stand", bush goat story, PNAC "pearl harbour", pearl harbour itself, skull and bones bohemian grove(its not imaginary, its real, what they do, you m

Every aspect of every conspiracy theory about 9/11 has been systematically debunked somewhere or another.

Right, on Popular Mechanics, Snopes, 911Myths, and the very convincing 911 Commission Report which did not even bother to investigate the WTC 7 collapse. And actually Snopes debunks most of the "rumours" by referring to the Commission report. And 911 Myths states stuff like "Our take". Yeah, very convincing, some unregistered site in the U.K.

If you actually read the research, the proponents for the "offical" conspiracy theory really end up being pretty muddled and confusing - because they have been given the conclusion, so they must build their facts & evidence based on that. That's bad science, so naturally they have a hard time. Speaking of the highly respected journal Popular Mechanics, there is an well written paper by 911 Research which points out the flaws in the article.

Since the WTC was structurally unique, comparisons to other buildings really don't have much bearing in the matter,

and while they anticipated the impact of a 707, they did not take into account the combined effect of impact and a full load of fuel;

Yep, that's the number one argument - engineers just "forgot" about the fuel? That's an interesting view of the engineering profession.

all of this, of course, assumes that the designers were correct when saying that the building could withstand a 707.

Timelines show that jets were scrambled in a timely manner when the situation was understood (within minutes of realizing the planes were hijacked and pinpointing their locations.)

Well, their story keeps changing there also. Apparently, at one point, they had the jets scrambled *away*, 150 miles out into the Atlantic!

In hearings last Friday, Sen. Dayton (D-MN) raised an obvious point: if the timeline of air defense response as promoted in the Kean Commission's best-selling book is correct, then the timeline presented repeatedly by NORAD during the last two years was completely wrong. Yet now no one at NORAD is willing to comment on their own timeline!

When the official story of 9/11 can be changed repeatedly without anyone ever being held accountable, we have no right to ever again expect honest government. Please read the following story and do your part to support Sen. Dayton for highlighting the contradiction, and to encourage the media to follow up.

You need to think a little more. They don't require many conspirators, just a few at the top, the rest obediently falling orders. The best example is the officer who was reprimanded by Cheney when he asked him, as the plane was approaching the Pentagon, whether "the orders still stood". Cheney chewed him out something to the effect that had he heard otherwise.

Also, be careful not to confuse disinformation with information. Switching planes? Red herring, like the "Arab Pilot Learns to Fly" story.

You'll never convince him otherwise, because his entire conception of self is wound up in the idea that he is the rare visionary, the one who cannot be fooled. To admit that he is wrong would require him to admit that he is profoundly wrong, not just gulled, but gullible.

Yes, so I'll stop bothering reading this thread, those stubborn folk just won't change their minds with scientific proofs under their very noses!

You're absolutely right. There are more dots to connect. What's the easiest way to connect dots? Sticking our collective heads in the sand, or going out and asking questions and obtaining answers that can then be analyzed?

For the government to ignore this data in its public reports makes the populace wonder why the government is saying what it's saying.

There's a reason. It's purely financial.

You're absolutely right. There are more dots to connect. What's the easiest way to connect dots? Sticking our collective heads in the sand, or going out and asking questions and obtaining answers that can then be analyzed?

For the government to ignore this data in its public reports makes the populace wonder why the government is saying what it's saying.

There's a reason. It's purely financial.

See here.

Well if you only have a bit of time, check out some of this stuff:

interesting section about information warfare
http://911review.com/

some analysis & debunks
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/

check this out:

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html

It pretty much demonstrate that the witholding of information regarding the Pentagon was done on purpose in order to take your attention away from more compelling evidence. It probably was a plane. They won't tell you so you can keep thinking it's fake and not ask questions about WTC7 or the explosive complete collapse of the other 2 towers.

Alright, try this:

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.ht ml

I know I know, it's very hard to swallow. But once you watch stuff like the BBC documentary 'The Power of Nightmares' and '9/11 Revisited' (both on video.google.com) you'll probably want to know more.

For me http://911review.com/ and http://www.911research.wtc7.net/ raised a LOT of interesting questions. Reminds me of all the BS that's been flying around for the last couple of years.

go read: http://911review.com/errors/conspiracy.html

Basically, through computer automation and top down military command structure it seems quite feasible to accomplish with a handful of people.

Don't need anyone in the planes, you only need some people to divert the military, a couple of NDA bound companies and such.

People are conditionned not to ask too many questions, especially if they fear loosing their job. Throw in some disinformation and you get a winning recipe.

let me guess, it led to an immediate pulverisation of the building in the manner of a controlled demolition? :)

http://911review.com/infowars.html

Of course, 99% of all you hear is BS, and that includes both 'official' and 'skeptic' stories. Doesn't mean it should be all ignored tough.

http://911review.com/errors/conspiracy.html

You are also not supposed to notice the complete lack of airplane parts in and around the pentagon.

I think you're a troll but I'll bite anyway...

It dosen't have to melt.
Just needs to get hot enough to lose strength.

http://www.911review.com/articles/jm/cache/fr006.h tm