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Re:The eventual redefinition of "privacy" and the
<grammar mode="nazi">I know a lot of people who
...</grammar>That aside, there are recent rulings on the topic of the 4th amendment. One in note:
Federal Court Rules on One of the Major Outstanding Constitutional Privacy Questions of Our Time -- 06/12/2014
Based on this event a couple weeks ago:
ACLU of Florida Files Emergency Motion Seeking Cell Phone Tracking Orders Hidden by Sarasota Police and U.S. Marshals -- June 3, 2014
And this is from the 11th circuit, no less.
Of course, your post is a lot of nonsense as well. Police putting up a fake mobile cell tower with the ability to intercept all calls within a geographical area really has most of nothing to do with the "amazingly complicated" internet.
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Re:Sounds good but..
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Re:Sad
we have this basic problem of incarcerating someone for a crime they MIGHT commit, which, most folks find unfair.
Yet nobody finds it unfair that we have lists of people who have to announce their crimes to their neighbours, who are barred from living or working in certain areas, and who have to now walk around with a bracelet on that starts beeping whenever they get "too close" to designated buildings? It has gotten to the point where sex offenders are actually forced to live under a bridge in some areas:
http://www.aclufl.org/tuttle/
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Re:legal basis
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Re:Why I Love the ACLUWhy then did the ACLU threaten to sue the County of Los Angeles for the tiny cross in the seal? Either the cross in the seal at the top of the mission represented the religous history of the city, or an "agent" endorsement of any religion. Problem is, the goddess Pomona figures much more prominently in the seal and no fuss was made about that, so how could the cross be "an agent" endorsement of christianity but Pomona not be "an agent" endorsement of paganism?
I'm sorry, but your definition of religious endorsement, while acceptable and reasonable, is not the ACLU's definition of religous endorsement. I wish that the ACLU thought as you did, but in reality they are rabidly anti-christian to the point of attempting to re-write history. At the same time, they do defend the rights of other religions such as Islam.
Here's a URL of their anti-christian tendencies:
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/dennispra
g er/2004/11/16/13670.htmlAnd a URL of their pro-muslim tendencies:
http://www.aclufl.org/news_events/archive/2003/fr
e emanrelease052703.cfmWhen it comes to religion, and as someone else said, gun control too, the ACLU does pick and choose their battles based on a clearly left-wing political agenda.
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Re:sounds reasonable..
In the state where the prezident's brother is governor, they can't. (Until those damn activist judges knock this down as unconstitutional. Those damn activist judges, always upholding their "Constitution", like it makes them better than everybody else).
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Re:why?It seems like the only people who would need to not be photographed are going to be causing trouble.
Some people practice a religion that proscribes the taking of or posing for photographs. Also, a number of states have enacted legislation that demands a compelling societal interest before infringing a groups or individuals religous freedom. This legislation has been used to compell states to issue drivers licenses without photos, I cannot see why identifying kiosk customers is more compelling than postively identifying the driver of a motor vehicle. Here's a link to page describing this very issue
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Re:The right to vote is a fundamental human right.
Oddly enough, That is how it works in Florida YOu must apply for return of your voting "rights" that you resigned when you committed a felony, Sort of like a targetted literacy test.
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Re:The right to vote is a fundamental human right.
you're fucking kidding, right? http://www.aclufl.org/issues/voting_rights/applyi
n g_for_rights_restoration.cfm why don't you get your head out of the sand and actually learn the law, before you become someones bitch^H^H^H^H^Hsheeple. -
2000 election fraud and DocumentationTake two seconds on his home page to see that (Greg Palast) is not an unbiased source of information
It's been said before, everyone is biased. When it comes down it it, what really matters is are the allegations factual.
Maybe there were voters that were purged incorrectly- we will never know. But if it had been such a widespread problem, don't you think the USCCR could have found at least one person to testify that they were kept from voting because of the list?
It's funny, but in a beaurocracy as big as it took to compile the Felon's list you would think that there would have been at least one honest mistake even in the best of circumstances. For example, I get calls from dept collecters about twice a year for dept that is owed by someone with a similar name as me.
I base my arguments on the findings from the United States Commission on Civil Rights
Is this the report you are refering to? I didn't read the whole thing but here is a quote that seems to corroborate Greg Palast's allegations:In 2000, Florida contracted with DBT Online (Choicepoint) to purge the central voter list. The Commission found that the use of a private entity without clear and effective guidance from the highest state levels, coupled with the absence of uniform and reliable verification procedures, resulted in the disenfranchisement of countless eligible voters in 2000.
But it still does leave many questions. The report is very much a summary, and leaves out just about any detail.
Greg Palast claims to have 2 CDROMS with the complete felons' list. I suppose it would be a violation of privacy and stuff but it would be nice if they were published so we could look at them ourselves.
This Article on Greg Palast's website claims to detail how Choicepoint came up with the list. It would be nice to find an independent source to confirm the details that isn't just quoting from Palast or an associate.
The article said that the NAACP sued Katherine Harris' department and one, but didn't mention any details. I was able to find this page which seems to be the complaint and details specific incidents of people denied to vote. I'm not big on legalise and couldn't find a court case number. Anyone know how to look this up?
err.... I was trying to lookup something I had read before on Palast's website that I thought implied that he was published in the London Times reporting on the Felons' List. But now I can't even find that. Maybe he was refering to the Guardian instead of the Times. Anyone know what I'm talking about here?
Oh one more thing to ask: Supposedly there were lots of roadblocks out on the streets on Election Day 2000. Did anyone get pictures of these? Anyone know of any websites with pictures or specific details on this?
Documentation and sources are a good thing.
I was able to find this Salon article that says 173,000 names were removed from the voter roles, and that 8,000 of them were people who were convicted for misdemeanors, not felonies.
As to media bias, I think the mainstream media is biased, but not according to "liberal" or "conservitive" slant but towards the status quo. Rather than a bias of disinformation, it is underreporting that is the problem. In other words stories that would reflect badly on advertisers or the parent company go unreported. In this case challenging the legitamacy of the current administration would be upsetting to the status quo and bad for business in general. Too bad the economy is in the crapper.
Are Salon and The Guardian unbiased sources? :)
For the record, I didn't vote for Al Gore and was extremely frighten