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Re:More IP address !=more ease by Wesley+Felter · 2001-08-28 12:40 · Score: 2 · on IPv4 vs IPv6: The Road Ahead

I looked up how much IPv6 addresses cost (at least in North America), and it's $2,500/year for a /35. Since each customer is supposed to get a /48, that's enough room for 8192 customers. That works out to about 30 cents per customer per year.

Re:Who would start the change? by JesseL · 2001-08-28 05:52 · Score: 2 · on IPv4 vs IPv6: The Road Ahead

Actually, I believe ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) is in charge of IP (for the USA).
I imagine they would be the ones to initiate the change to IPv6.

More than just address space by Jason+Cwik · 2001-08-28 05:51 · Score: 1 · on IPv4 vs IPv6: The Road Ahead

IPv6 has more features than just an expanded address space. I've heard that address spoofing should be impossible with v6. It also has some routing enhancements to make the large address space more routable...

ARIN(the people that assign IPs in North America has more info)

Re:There is another way... by Anonymous Coward · 2001-08-08 05:26 · Score: 0 · on Fight Virus With Virus?

The problem with reverse DNS lookup is that it doesn't work much of the time. I've resorted to goint to ARIN to see who owns the IP.

Re:The Internet needs accountability by Trepalium · 2001-07-15 17:33 · Score: 1 · on Congressional Hearings on WHOIS

American Registry for Internet Numbers. They fill the same role as RIPE does in Europe, etc.

Re:Use of WHOIS by Bloody+Pulp · 2001-07-15 15:57 · Score: 1 · on Congressional Hearings on WHOIS

I don't see the problem with the current ARIN database. You need at least a /22 (or something like that...can't remember offhand) to even apply PI-space... so it's a rather good assumption that only ISPs and other businesses and educational institutions will be listed in it.

It is not necessarily a good assumption that only ISPs, businesses, and educational institutions will be listed in the ARIN database.

Though it is true that minimum IP block size allocated by ARIN is a /20, an ISP must provide SWIP/RWHOIS information for any IP block that are at /29 or greater in size which it allocates to end users. This information is necessary as proof of utilization when applying for additional space from ARIN.

The ARIN guidelines for requesting IPv4 address space can be found here http://www.arin.net/regserv/addipspace.html

Re:Use of WHOIS by J'raxis · 2001-07-15 11:55 · Score: 2 · on Congressional Hearings on WHOIS

I use Whois all the time (mostly ARIN, to see who owns various unresolvable IPs that I see poking at my computer), but these records shouldn't be required to contain complete contact information.

Maybe giving complete info for a registration (verification of identity) would be a good thing, but Whois should only return what the owner wants it to return: at minimal, a contact email address. Since the owner has their own domain, they can set up a hostmaster@ address or something just for the Whois contact (so at least the spam gets routed to one place). Corporations might want to have their street address and business phone numbers listed; but I don't think most individuals do.

Re:ICANN == UN and the UN overrides US Constitutio by McSpew · 2001-05-30 08:26 · Score: 2 · on Legitimacy Of ICANN?

And since ICANN falls under the UN, which was created by Treaty with the US and other nations, ICANN's wishes override the Constitution by our own Constitutional definition.

Bzzzt!

Sorry, but you are incorrect. The ICANN has nothing to do with the United Nations. From the About ICANN page:

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is the non-profit corporation that was formed to assume responsibility for the IP address space allocation, protocol parameter assignment, domain name system management, and root server system management functions previously performed under U.S. Government contract by IANA and other entities.

ICANN derives its authority purely from a contract with the United States government. Essentially, ICANN was created to replace IANA (John Postel r.i.p.) and ARIN.

The scary thing about ICANN is that they so quickly became beholden to Network Solutions and the other vested big-money interests, instead of paying attention to what's good for the Internet as a whole.

Recent revelations about secret deals to allow Network Solutions to hang onto the .COM databases essentially indefinitely should have woken up the US Congress to the degree to which ICANN has already been corrupted, but so far, there is no sign that anyone in Congress has noticed, nor do they appear to care.

Re:lots of addresses by marnanel · 2001-05-23 21:12 · Score: 2 · on Study on DoS Activity In The Internet

44 is "Amateur Radio Digital Communications". (Here's a list of all class As; UCSD doesn't figure in it.) Though the most obvious reading of the document is that the experiments were carried out there, they don't say that explicitly, and indeed there are other places which would seem more likely choices. Odd that they don't say where it was, though.
my plan

Re:I never noticed this... by fleeb_fantastique · 2001-05-23 11:15 · Score: 1 · on Pentagon Wants IPv6 by 2008

Follow the link in the original story where the link says 'available for allocation'.

Or just click here.

Re:spam combat by Zaknafein500 · 2001-05-03 02:06 · Score: 1 · on The One-Week All-Spam Diet

Another trick that I have found is handy for tracking down spammers. It's prety easy to find the upstream provider they are on. (just look for the IP of the first "Received from: " in the headers.) However, many spammers are finding ISPs with IP addresses that have no DNS names, which makes it impossible to do an nslookup on them to find out who their provider is. Sure, you can tracert, but that's not usually very reliable. The best way to find out who to complain to is to go to ARIN and do a whois on their IP. That will tell you who actually owns the address, and will usually give you a good idea of who to contact.

Oh yeah, and make sure that you block anything sent to you via BCC. 90% of spam is sent blind CC, so you can get rid of a vast majority of it by taking this simple step with some email filters.

Re:OK, don't panic by tringstad · 2001-04-16 05:03 · Score: 3 · on A New Approach to IP Address Exhaustion

Your post is actually interesting, but completely incorrect as there is no such thing as Class A, B, or C addresses anymore, nor have there been for a long time now.

In November of 1996, RFC 2050 regarding Internet Registry IP Allocation Guidelines, and Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR) was introduced and used ever since.

Unfortunately, some people, and certifications (coMCSEugh) cling to the old Class structure, and demand that people remember it, in order to go about properly mucking up large networks with a limited understanding of routing protocols (TCP/IP is a routed protocol, not a routing protocol) .

&nbsp&nbsp-Tommy

Re:IPv4 Exhaustion? Where? by gid-foo · 2001-04-16 03:12 · Score: 1 · on A New Approach to IP Address Exhaustion

Have you tried to get a block of IPs recently? Spent any time justifying why you need 300 address? Or even 50? It's a pain in the ass and only getting harder every year. ARIN allocates based on justified need. Meaning that you provide your reasons why you need a /20 or /19 and they allocate you what they think you need. Here's the page with the requirements ARIN puts on upstream providers and initial address block requests: ARIN

Transmission Technology by qaggaz · 2001-03-27 19:27 · Score: 1 · on The Hard Questions in Broadband Policy

When discussing Fiber-to-the-home, it is important to realize that this is just a transmission medium. Just having Fiber to your home does not guarantee that you will have dedicated bandwidth for internet access. Or, for that matter, that the metropolitan backbone is not oversubscribed, or that there is adequite capacity at peering points or other connections to external networks.

Anyone with a 100Mbps ethernet connection in a large office knows that the link speed alone is often not the limiting factor!

Furthermore, the assumption that the only, or primary, costs involved are the network termination equipment is simply incorrect. Yes, if we are talking about terminating a 10Gbps (or even 2.5Gbps) SONET or SDH circuits, there will be an expense. But, don't forget that the larger the network (i.e. the greater the number of "end-systems") the more intermediate systems (routers, switches, repeaters, etc) are required. Each one of these network elements then must be monitored and managed.

Now, if we assume that the service will be priced inexpensively enough for consumers to purchase, and that there is enough consumer demand for this sort of service; and if we can assume an inital customer penetration rate of, say between 1-10%, the number of network nodes in a city of 500000 is between 5000 and 50000. This is becoming a fairly expensive network to manage.

One possibility is that a city or other entity could build the fiber infrastructure and then lease "dark fiber" to service providers. This is the model deployed Stockholm, for instance. This approach has the advantage of shifting the expense of active network elements to the service providers, but now additional expense is introduced by separating the operation and repair of the fiber component from the transmission equipment (which still may be separated from the higher-level network-layer elements such as routers and servers).

Futhermore, consider the "peering problem" that will occur if many ISPs and internet users choose to interconnect with multiple IP networks: Through careful address allocation policies, the internet community (by means of regional routing registies like those provided by ARIN, RIPE-NCC, and APNIC) has constructed a hierarchical routing system that limits the growth of the size of routing tables on the core backbone routers in use on the internet. This is important for two reasons.

First, routers have a finite amount of memory. Even if memory is cheap, it still needs to be installed and perhaps increased from time to time. Each upgrade causes downtime as the router is taken out of service and upgraded.

Second, and perhaps more important, each provider advertises its network reachability information to others through a external routing protocol (BGP-4). The BGP process on each router must compute the shortest path to each network and inject that information in the router's fowarding table. The more complex the routing table, the longer BGP takes to update the fowarding table leading to network convergence issues. Also, since BGP-4 is mostly manually configured, an increase in complexity serval of orders of magnitide would require the development of new extensions to the system, this would be futher exasperated by the limitation currently imposed by the use of 16-bit autonomous system (AS) numbers which identify each administrative realm of routing policy. Someone will have to absorb the expense incured in the development and implementation of new rotuing protocols. Then, again, each core router will have to be upgraded.

Inexpensive broadband technology is still a-ways away. It will revolutionize the internet (and probably telecommunications, in general) when it becomes available, but that revolution itself will not be cheap.

ARIN's IPv6 Fee Policy Has Changed by Wesley+Felter · 2001-03-04 04:18 · Score: 2 · on Stack-Hacker Itojun Talks About IPv6

And I quote: "ARIN will not collect subscription fees for those current ARIN IPv4 subscribers who request and qualify for IPv6 address space. ... Those IPv4 subscribers who have already paid fees for IPv6 address space are eligible for a refund of those fees."

Re:YRO why? by marijke · 2001-02-12 03:54 · Score: 1 · on ARIN Reverses IP policy for Virtual Hosts

> Can someone please give a little background here?

If you go to the ARIN site's mailing list archives and pick the VWP (virtual webhosting policy) one,

http://www.arin.net/mailinglists/vwp/index.html

you can read up on what the issues are. In short:

- if (say) ten IP addresses are pooled for
(say) ten thousand web sites of customers
of an ISP, everything is well until... one
of those customers does something evil/stupid
(e.g. spamming) and ORBS/MAPS blocks the IP
*number*. Or NetNanny thinks a site is too
explicit and blocks it by number.

- another issue is running out of IP space.

- apparently the pre-HTML 1.1 thing isn't much
of an issue anymore nowadays.

- the policy favors big ISP's with oodles of
class A address space, small ones can't offer
customers unique IP addresses.

- the new policy is unworkable as any IP can
lie about their address requirements, fake
SSL certificates, whatnot

- etc. etc. etc.

But read the archives yourself, i'm not the most knowledgeable person to summarise this.

--Regards, marijke [5551'35"N 505'03"W]

shotgun approach by Anonymous Coward · 2001-01-20 01:18 · Score: 2 · on Contacting Network Admins Of Large Internet Companies?

Of course, always try the normal channels. However, if that fails, dial up the heat. Contact, all via CC: on the same email:

the administrative and technical contacts listed by network solutions
the contacts listed by ARIN
investor relations at the company (if publicly traded). visit their web page for IR contact.
try to find email addresses for higher ups (VP responsible for infrastructure, CIO/CTO, etc.)
postmaster@, security@, hostmaster@

then let it rip. You'll get mixed results, but often this will get someone's attention. Keep the email polite and to the point, but remind them that, after all, you've been trying for weeks to get this resolved the simple way, but THEY haven't been keeping their end of the bargain.

Re:square footage ... by nosilA · 2000-11-17 02:45 · Score: 2 · on Commercial IPv6 Service In Australia

I'm also trying to figure out who is and how the hell they're guna manage the assignment of IPv6 blocks. heh.

ARIN (or your friendly regional registry) are selling these just as they are seilling IPv4 addresses now. The worst part? They are actually charging *more* than they are for IPv4 addresses. Anyway, rest assured, those who stand to profit have already taken care of IPv6 assignment.

-nosilA

Who gives out IP numbers by marnanel · 2000-11-16 19:58 · Score: 2 · on Commercial IPv6 Service In Australia

In the Americas, go to ARIN; in Europe go to RIPE; in Asia and the Pacific, go to APNIC. (Some places, such as Mexico and Brazil, have separate arrangements.)

ARIN "allocate" numbers to ISPs and "assign" numbers to end users; but be warned that it costs Big Money to be assigned numbers directly (at least US$2,500 per year).

As you might have guessed from the article, APNIC seem to be cluefully ready to give out IPv6 addresses; ARIN are apparently talking about it.