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InterNIC Redesign
Jeff Knox writes
"The internic has apparently redesigned it webpage. All
request to internic.net are not automatically forwarded to
www.networksolutions.com.
That means there no longer is the cgi-bin/whois? request, etc..
Everything is now on their blatant self promoting fancy gui website.
" Anyone use the new stuff? Better? Worse? Intersting
way to protect their business after they lose their monopoly
status. But "The Dot Com People"? What terrible slogan.
Can we be "The Dot Dot People"?
I noticed the change today when I went there to take care of some real work. I guess I'm not as out of touch as I thought if it just changed this weekend.
At first glance, it sucks. It seems much harder to find useful information, but easier to buy a T-shirt. But I've been using their site for years so it could just be resistance to change.
Nuff said.
Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me...
I saw this yesterday, the homepage was different..
It had all dot com (tm) plastered all over the place, along with a lot of 404 erros.
Could someone explain to me why this move was made?
I also saw a $117 price tag to domain names, but I have no idea what they switched it to now.
--------------------------- Politics, Religion, and Sex... Which one do you practice most?
We ought to go find the people that let the marketing bastards in on this and choke them. Enough is enough already.
Bloody useless...
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
I registered a domain this morning noticing that they had changed it, i would have told you if i new it was news of substance :-)
Its pretty much the same registration script as before, just looks a bit different, looks the same in parts though..
Gaz
http://members.xoom.com/gaztek
I've been looking for a while now on the new site...
How in the world do you delete a domain? Where are the template forms?
I liked the old one better.
- Mike Hughes
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
but no- just overpriced tee-shirts
Anyone else smell the dying throes of a bloated monopoly?
i work down the street from networksolutions.
they are laying new cable all down that road..
i drive by the building everytime i goto the
postoffice or burger king.
' god damn this is one wacky game show ' ~ jay in mallrats
I've noticed the changes that Network Solutions have been moving into place, and I can't say I mind terribly-- I do all of my Domain Name registration via email. If you want to bring attention to a really deceptive practice, have a look at www.internic.com, where the unsuspecting can enjoy a 200% markup for domain name registration!
Well, the new interface/look does have some decent parts to it... it looks prettier :) Seriously though, some of the new features, whether they are just more easily accessed than before (so I never knew about 'em) or they're just plain new things, are decent (ie, contact usage reports, etc). But the "Dot Com People" is cheezy, as is selling "Web Addresses." They're DOMAIN NAMES! Jeez.
---
Tim Wilde
Sysadmin, Dynamic DNS Network Services
Free Dynamic DNS aliasing.
Before I go into my bomb shelter...
I took a look through their services.. Which are composed mainly of MSN services.
--------------------------- Politics, Religion, and Sex... Which one do you practice most?
We're the Dot Com People is kind of similar to We Are The Dot in Dot Com, isn't it?
And promoting that they have 3.4 registered domains, is that after their accidents?
www.atacomm.com - The Leader in VoIP Product Distributi
Looks like most of the stuff that was on the old web site is still there, or at least the same functions are. Perhaps they became nervous about losing INTERNIC.NET the other day.
Why is it that whenever you hit an InterNIC service, you get responses from the IP your request went to as well as from a 192.168.x.x address? Misconfigured firewall? 192.168.0.0/16 is supposed to be unroutable private address space.
I ment million....
i guess 3.4 million before, 3.4 now huh?
rofl
www.atacomm.com - The Leader in VoIP Product Distributi
of Apache's Redirect directrive, any internic.net url is passed onto networksolutions.com. I guess it does make more sense to have their "real" name as the URL rather than the generic "internic".
Geez, when InterNIC has a misconfiged firewall...
Some whois servers :
America
Asia Pacific
Europe.
arin.net link to "rs.internic.net for domain related information" is broken :(
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
Okay, maybe I should mail Rob or someone with this... but shouldn't the title be InterNIC? And there are some other weird typos too... "no long is the cgi/whois..." should probably be "no longer"... right? The Interinc thing I can decipher, but some errors are too subtle... ?
Conor
Programmer, Consultant, Geek, CTYer.
Be fair- internic.com does offer more (like free DNS services). The ironic thing is that network solutions webpage now repeatedly suggests that you register all three commercial top levels .org .net .com "to protect your bussiness from speculators" with no discount- only they themselves got sucked punched the same way by internic.com!!!
What it is going to come down to is advertising and pricing. By giving someone (that doesn't know any more than to follow the URL listed in a magazine advertisement) a way to:
- secure the domain
- reserve a web service (that $119 thing)
- get merchandising and banner revenue right away
they will be setting the standard that all the other registrars will have to have. These marketing relationships and infrastructure do not happen overnight. InterNIC is just raising the stakes a little more for the others playing in the same vertical market.http://fudge.org
... cheesius maximus.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
I noticed today that the /cgi-bin/whois doesn't work anymore, and they also disabled the telnet whois service. Bad internic. *wham* *wham* *wham*. Bad Internic.
Read deeper... this includes some manner of hosting service provided by Network Solutions... it is still $70 to register a domain from them. This $119 is just regular $70 plus the $49 domain _hosting_ fee.
http://fudge.org
Anyway, now that my pet peeve is out of the way at least the registration forms that I have become familiar with appear to be there and basically unchanged.
I didn't say it was PERFECT did I? I wanna get a $17.95 mousepad! And a T-Shirt with "www.dyndns.org" all over it! PLEASE? *BARF*
---
Tim Wilde
Sysadmin, Dynamic DNS Network Services
Free Dynamic DNS aliasing.
I wonder how long before their full-blown web hosting business starts, designed to undercut everyone else on the planet.
...Steve
There was a time when .org and .net had specific implications. (Yeah, I know, it's never been enforced much... the Seattle Mariners have been a .org since 1994, and they sure as hell are a profit-making entity... but still.) I find it really annoying that people are being *encouraged* to grab up .org, .net AND .com just to prevent anyone else from having a similar name.
.xxx domain name, just to prevent anyone else from getting it. :)
Trademark law doesn't prevent other businesses from having similar names, or from having similar addresses.
This is just stupid. We need more TLDs to make room for all these different companies with similar names but different products, but instead, when we actually have 30 or 40 different TLDs, you're probably going to see companies told to grab all 40 of 'em, just in case someone with a similar name gets one! ARGH. And then we're back to square one.
(Just imagine -- Disney or someone like that gets an
I may not be a lawyer, but I have been through a trademark/domain dispute so I (unfortunately) have been through some of this. I used to have slumberland.com, now I have slumberland.org and
slumberland.seattle.wa.us. It was a fight to get this result, believe me.
//
It isn't so much that the new design is horrible, sure the basic black on white was good but now they're just trying to make themselves look a little better. The worst part in the new content, no longer is it registering Domain Names with Web Addresses in parenthesis, it's the other way around. And I agree with a comment I've seen made here, when are they going to start hosting themselves and take all the other companies out of buisness, if/when they do that they're just ASKING for another lawsuit.
Domain Name registration is definately headed in the wrong direction.
- tred
Not everything at the new NSI site is working. I have been trying to pay for a few domains I picked up by paying on-line with their 'secure payment system'. It isn't working, I keep getting errors. Hasn't been working since Friday night when they changed things over.
You would think that before they routed everyone to their new site that they would have checked to be sure everything was working properly.
Now my domains are going to expire and some dipshit speculator is probably going to pick them up. If they really wanted to make a difference with their services they should have done something to ban speculators. Those people need to get a life.
I can't wait 'till there is an alternative to NSI, I have had about enough from them. They act like a US government agency.
SONET
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. --Benjamin Franklin
Those guys are brilliant pricks because they can get all of those "not so aware" folks trying to bussines son the web . I recently did consulting at an Ad Agency in Boston who was reguarly using Internic.com because they thought that was the "internic". They wer paying close to $300 bucks to register a domian. Needless to say they love my company because we showed them how to do it for $70. Aren't we just fucking brilliant?
;-)
Posted by Saurus:
> Can we be "The Dot Dot People"?
I don't know what you all are complaining about. I think the site looks great. Nothing wrong with a cosmetic face-lift every once in a while. (I think some of you are trapped in the net of the 80's)
The problem with "fluid" site design is that it has the inherent ability to throw off any asthetical beauty one tries to achieve in the design. Fixed rez designing beings more of the layout advantages of print to the web. I know I hate reading lines of text that are 900+ pixels wide (ie., 600 feels much more natural). I think they should have centered it though, but then again, I hardly ever browse in fullscreen mode.
--[shangodee]
how about the dot heads?
someone had to say it.
anyhow, methinks sun is going to take a very dim view of their "dot com" slogan (regardless of its stupidity)
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Gee, the uninformed folks out there (definately not the MEDIA, sheesh), might come to some odd conclusion about sun and nsi working together. The outcomes of that would be... interesting?
-Chris
Posted by Fleeno:
Has anyone seen their lame commercials, where they encourage morons to register domains of their names? "Get your dot com today!"
oh so cuuute! I wanna dot com peepul too!!!
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I beleive the $117 is both for registering
a domain and for them providing nameservice
for it - they cant arbitrarily change the
fee just for registering.
Someone else lamanted the loss of cgi-bin/whois - Uhm, like, who cares? whois still works from
my shell prompt.
http://www.network solutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?slashdot.org
btw, the InterNIC sucks. Their PGP is still broken; I guess they've been too busy redesigning the site to sell some tshirts. Bah.
the DNS system is a serious design flaw in the internet. ......
the power of internet comes from each host being
more or less 'equal', the DNS system lets one body
have control, and of course with control comes power,
and of course with power comes
you fill in the blanks.
With all the cybersquatting you're gonna need to know swahili to get a domain pretty soon. Appropriate to go with that third-world two letter designation that you're gonna need also.
It's only a few people who register thousaands of names. The first name that comes to mind is "Jerry Sumpton" - do a search on his name for more. jerry@freeview.com
Its interesting that internic is showing that they care with a web page redesign now that THEY GOT COMPETITION.
- DTP people posing as web designers
PhilippeIt's your cybersquatting buddies doing a crack job on it.
you actually -registered- a domain? i went through their silly process and then i hit the 'register' button and it presented me with a blank page.. tried it again and same thing. what a bunch of shit.
Well heck, now that you mention it...
$ whois mybigstiffy.com
Registrant:
The Walt Disney Company (MYBIGSTIFFY-DOM)
500 S. Buena Vista Street
Burbank, CA 91521
Domain Name: MYBIGSTIFFY.COM
Record last updated on 14-May-98.
Database last updated on 21-Mar-99 09:51:09 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
HUEY.DISNEY.COM 204.128.192.10
NS3.SPRINTLINK.NET 204.97.212.10
NS2.SPRINTLINK.NET 199.2.252.10
NOC.CERF.NET 192.153.156.22
I find it interesting that, after several failed attempts by many people to register the domain "F-CK.COM" (having been turned down by Network Solutions because of their `right to not register inappropriate domains' [see below]), the NIC turns around and registers it for themselves.
Subj: Re: [NIC-980924.52497] F-CK.COM
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:43:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Domain Registration Role Account <domreg@internic.net>
To: douglas@min.net
The following template has been returned due to the following errors.
ERROR: invalid item 33 <F-CK.COM>
Network Solutions, Inc., the private corporation that provides InterNIC registration services, declines to register the domain name for which you have applied. Network Solutions has a right founded in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to refuse to register, and thereby publish, on the Internet registry of domain names words that it deems to be inappropriate. Additionally, Network Solutions' outside counsel has advised us that the Supreme Court of the United States has held that no corporation can be compelled to engage in publication which that corporation finds to be inappropriate.
-- Flash forward.. 6 months later --
bash-2.02$ whois f-ck.com
Man, Mighty (MM9897) f-ck.com@SH-T.COM
Network Solutions
505 Huntmar Park Drive
Herndon, VA 20170
703-742-0400
(etc.)
I'll let the conspiracy theorists draw their own conclusions.
Instead of improving their customer service, they're portalizing their site and making things much harder to find and use. I called today after I couldn't find something, sat on hold for a half hour before giving up. If they had any competitors, I'd switch in a heartbeat, but alas they don't...
A New look is great, but where are things like:
I think our money should go to an upgrade in services first, not into a new UI to let them compete whenever they finally lose their monopoly.
I vote that we point DNS for internic.net to localhost. This is rediculous. They're using internic for their own personal profit.
I didn't really mind that one company controlled com/net/org, but this is just rediculous!
- Hugh Buchanan
- Userfriendly.com
Typical Slashdot.org: all fluff, no substance. But in case you guys didn't notice the Big change: now, when you register a domain, you only get ONE DNS! Big difference. I don't like it.
Was the encouragement to "Protect your internet brand. Consider securing your dot net and dot org web addresses as well". I.e. Triple our profits, and cut the total name space by two thirds!
.net for network service providers?
/.
Is it just me, or isn't ".org" supposed to be for non-profit organization and personal sites, and
Then again there is
I'd say that no one entity should have control over more than one TLD.
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That doesn't work anymore either. That stinks! I think I miss that the most for super quick name lookups on machines that don't have whois installed. The searching in that service was nice too.
-Scott
It is cheaper to make things look flashy than to add more core functionality (see also MS).
And because the general population is rather gullible, they get a better investment doing so.
This sig is false.
If it comes from man, it will fail.
If it comes from god, It will succeed.
Detachment 3 Media
Exposed, Exploited, Exploded
Windoze doesn't come with whois...
and of course with power comes ...... cccoruption? sssssin?
i want mah dot com dammit! w00! slaph mah fro!
Does anyone besides me feel a slight pang of pain when InterNIC^H^H^H^H^H^H^H... er Network Solutions advocates the commercial use of the org top-level domain? Didn't it used to be a requirement that you be a not-for-profit organization or a non-profit organization to obtain a subdomain in the org domain?
*Sigh* I may work for an ISP, but a pox upon the mass overcommercialization of the Internet. I guess I keep hoping that the little guys will win. My company doesn't allow for-profit orgs to register subdomains in the org TLD through it, and it makes me sick that InterNIC does.
Any hobbyists out there want to help me recreate the Internet again? It would be nice to start all over, leasing lines, etc. (funds permitting, of course... I run almost all my hobbies on junked hardware) to recreate the Internet that we have lost. Does anyone else remember when information sharing chewed up more bandwidth than spam & glitz?
I'd give up my USR v.Everything and go back to an old courier 2400 if we could go back and prevent the commerical overtaking of this great resource. I mean, let's be honest here. ESR has even griped about this. Back then, you could pull down more information over a 2400bps shell account than you usually can over a 28.8K PPP connection because there's so much crap now.
While I'm ranting, to hell with META tags, too. When's the last time you tried to look up something pertaining so some technical amusement and got 800+ porn ads? META should die, even before BLINK and MARQUEE
Maybe I'm just an old fart (As far as the 'net goes... I've been on for a while, but I'm not that -old-), but I long for the days when gopher, archie, and usenet returned information, humor, and insight instead of crap, porn, marketroid glitz, and animated GIFs.
The following sentence is true.
The previous sentence is false.
Pining for the days when The Glorious MEEPT!!! graced SlapDash with his wisdom.
Sigh, the only way, before this private company stole the internic.net domain Saturday, to check to see when a domain was registered or on hold was to telnet to whois.internic.net. Now it displays the below advertisement:
*********************************************
*
* This service is no longer available.
* Please use http://www.networksolutions.com
*
*********************************************
Uhhh, ok. They disable a feature required to manage domains, and replace it with an advertisement for a subsidiary of Science Applications International Corporation. What a scam.
Yet the amazing thing is, though Network solutions has a domain name under all three TLDs, they totally disregard the fact that they mean something. .com is commercial - they can go ahead and use it for all I care, they charge bucks for names. .net is for networks - they are after all a network. Yet .org used to be for non-profit organizations. www.networksolutions.org? they are not like any other non -profit org i ever heard of. They will continue to amaze me.
-Leo
Unfortunately, with the mass-consumption of the net, .org had to become available sooner or later.
.ca !
I agree with the last 4 paragraphs whole-heartedly, and I've only been on the net for 5 years!
It seems a lifetime ago when I first booted up Mozilla 0.9...
Me? I'm just bitter some f*cking squatters took the domain I wanted a week before I got the money to set up. They apparently aren't using it right now, but I don't want to have to get in a bidding war.
Hell, it's either that, or go for a
Pope
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
And therefore you use telnet and type at the command line:
C:\> telnet www.networksoultions.com 43
you used to be able to go to the normal telnet port at internic.net, but no, they just have to insist on networksolutions.com
-Leo
I for one, wouldn't mind the change, except for the fact that I have been trying to get them to move my ns entries from granitecanyon.com for two friggin weeks now. My best assessment of the situation is that their systems are kicking out my change submission because my email address is the billing contact for the domain (and it's conveniently not recognizing that I am also the technical and administrative contacts as well).
I finally spoke to someone Friday who after much deliberation and thumb-twiddling on his part decided the problem was that the domain and the contact handle must both be using the same auth technique. Personally, I think it's bullshit, but I've now watched my attempts to change the auth info for my contact handle disappear into a black hole as well. Probably the nicest thing I can say about the customer service representative I spoke with is that he probably remembers to open his mouth when he goes to sleep at night so that he can still breathe.
(BTW, this is not a case of a newbie having problems with DNS. I've been doing this stuff for a few years now for companies, but this is the first time I've bothered to reg a domain for myself, and InterNIC has definitely been sliding downhill apparently. First scrambling the whois database, and now this nonsense? Yuck.)
IMHO, what InterNIC needs is a) a clue, and b) some talented people to help them put that clue to use.
...not another website.
Check out my artistic interpretation of Network Solutions logo. I know I'll be putting it on my homepage. ;>
Posted by iticory:
I have just registered my first domain using their new interface. It is anti-internic.org.
As many of you know, Network Solutions holds their rights to the generic TLDs through an agreement with the National Science Foundation. I would like everyone's help in starting a formal online petition to the NSF regarding Network Solutions.
If anyone would like to help me with the terms of the petition, you can email me at nsfpetition@itinternet.net or visit the website once it goes up in a couple days at http://www.anti-internic.org/
Higher rates - lower service. For the time being at least you can still find RFC's and other goodies at one of the last of the "old time" sites (though with a new name). Try out www.iana.org.
Jon, we miss you....
It clearly says on the front page: .com, .org, .net.); Internic Software is NOT associated, affiliated with or sponsored by "www.InterNIC.net" or Network Solutions Inc.
"
Internic Software is NOT Network Solutions Inc or InterNIC which operates from www.InterNIC.net (which is the principal domain name registration authority for, amongst others,
"
I am sorry for you, it must be pain to deal with moronic customers like the one you mentioned.
People in this country need to start fucking thinking for themself. That's why we have brains for ( I think )
to much of that... but for the recreation of the 'net that was. UUCP over 1200bps was *not* as romantic and fun as it sounds.
.org; I'm grabbing good names as money allows and finding not-for-profits and grassroots groups to give them to.
As to the death of
Why not go for a *.nu domain? They are much cheaper.
You used to be able to telnet into rs.internic.net
and get MORE than 10 responces from a whois query.
What if someone has 100 domains registered? How
can you see them all? You can't! Email Network
Solutions, this sucks!
email to: help@networksolutions.com
Shane
Do you mean their own DNS hosting only provides one server? Or that they've stopped letting registrants declare an alternate DNS IP? The former would be (unsurprisingly) clueless, while the latter would be completely unconscionable.
Seems ALL the forms are gone. And you can't do a whois by typing in an URL anymore -- you have to go to the home page and do a lookup, which is absolutely sorry... Can't wait till there is some other alternative...
Telnet doesn't work anymore!
That namespace rightfully belongs to the citizens of Niue. I don't even know where that is (I live in WA.US), and I'm certainly not going to dishonestly claim I live and work there.
[gtm@gtm gtm]$ echo -e 'HEAD / HTTP/1.0\n' | nc www.nu 80 | egrep '^Server:'
Server: Microsoft-IIS/3.0
...but even if you fixed that aspect of the dns system or abolished the system, some one entity still has to control the distribution of IP addresses.
Notice how everywhere on their site they refer to domain names as web addresses and nothing else? As if a domain name can point to a webpage only.
NSI is sickening.
When are we going to be able to use other companies to register domains? And do you all think it's going to be a big pain to try and move your registered domain from NSI to one of those other couple of companies that are going to be providing the same services?
We are up in arms about the Internics move to park domains for 2 years for 119.00 or this biz card stuff..
New site is designed @ futhering the monoply!
They are changing the rulez...to help them.. They will start to host next..
Traditionally, internic.net has been WAY more than a store front for t-shirts. Obviously you've never used internic.net for anything useful. If you had, you'd know that it was full of forms and technical information. It was actually full of *useful stuff*. Now, i can buy a t-shirt that advertises NSI.
- Mike Hughes
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
(i am not a coward, just too lazy to register)
Yes, i hate the internic's new design. incredibly hard to find what you want. i see they have gone from the old cgi ways to java servelets. one thing that really makes me mad is the whois domain query
doesnt give out the information about the registrant. it just says "the domain is taken".
i dont like that one bit. old is much better.
this is very discouraging.
Obviously you have no idea that HTML is not a page layout language. What fixed resolution design actually does is reduce the advantages of the World Wide Web to little more than a fancy piece of paper, not bring layout advantages of print to the web. I hate sites that purport to be World Wide Web sites that are actually just Navigator and IE sites. Yes, there is a difference.
-- Shawn K. Quinn
I work for an ISP. Our employee email addresses end in .com. Our customers' email adddresses end in .net. So I get this call from a newbie customer that he was mailing his wife from work and she wasn't getting the mails but they weren't bouncing. As it turns out her username was the same as one of our employees in an international location-his address, however, ended in the .com which our newbie thought had to be at the end of every domain.
.NET at the end of subs' email addresses. :o)
Now we in tech support are told to be very loud with the
First off, they changed it on a Saturday when no one was looking, except people like me who get assigned to a spam-hunter task. (Some idiot spammed our help mailbox at work.)
:o) )
/cgi-bin/whois/whois. Not as easy as rs.internic.net, but it's still there. The link to it is buried pretty deep.
Secondly, it's too hard to find what one is looking for, even for newbies who the new redesign is presumably aimed at.
I do have to correct the previous poster-if you enter slashdot.org, for example, you get this:
Registrant:
Rob Malda (SLASHDOT2-DOM)
etc. just like the old whois.
(I picked Slashdot because, well, everyone knows who owns the domain name
So that part of the whois is working. The whois itself has moved to http://www.networksolutions.com
In short, whoever designed the UI for NSI should be taken out back and shot. I much prefer the IANA setup...
Registrant:
FSC International S.A (F-CK-DOM)
P.O. Box F41508
Freeport,
Bahamas
Domain Name: F-CK.COM
Administrative Contact:
Cooper, Hortense (HC334) hcooper@PU55Y.COM
+011-592-572-191
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Hostmaster (HO1265-ORG) hostmaster@XES.NET
242-373-1221
Billing Contact:
Tetro, Don (DT567) don@WORLDTEL.NET
954-436-5767
Record last updated on 30-Jul-98.
Database last updated on 21-Mar-99 09:51:09 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.XES.NET 12.8.148.1
NS2.XES.NET 12.8.149.1
I've noticed that with some TLD's such as .CX (www.nic.cx), if you are a citizen of the respective country, you get free domain names. So why don't citizens of the US get free .US names? Why can't we start a non-profit organization to handle domain names? All they are are names in a database. I don't understand the $70/year that Internic requires. Reading through all the comments on here, almost everone agrees that the Internic pretty much sucks, and would like to see things done a different way. I support the anti-internic campaign (http://www.anti-internic.org). -Nohup
I've noticed that with some TLD's such as .CX (www.nic.cx), if you are a citizen of the respective country, you get free domain names. So why don't citizens of the US get free .US names? Why can't we start a non-profit organization to handle domain names? All they are are names in a database. I don't understand the $70/year that Internic requires. Reading through all the comments on here, almost everone agrees that the Internic pretty much sucks, and wPÀould like to see things done a different way. I support the anti-internic campaign (http://www.anti-internic.org). -Nohup
Why else would they be diversifying their range of worthless product lines so much? Consultancy? Auto search-engine adding? Um, T Shirts???
And email hosting? This is great -- if you're too cheap to get your own leased line to host your domain, and too cheap to have someone else host it for you, you can have NS host your email. Then you can pretend you are on the Net while competition (er, in theory) can actually maintain their own updated site.
Admittedly, it's not NS's fault that "Dot Com" have become the holy words of every net-ophyte that's come along in the past 2-3 years, but I guess some of us hoped that the veteran net orgs (like them) could have kept things a little better under control....
[Snip extra rant about educating the stupid.]
Regards,
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
Is it just me or does anyone els e think that the new NIC should be:
.ORGs away from profitable companies (unfortunately that includes /.) and all .NETs from companies that have o business with them (ideally they would force all exclusively US companies to have a .USA domain but that ain't gonna happen).
A) Totally non-profit
B) Totally devoid of lawyers
C) Clueful
Then after the current batch of registrations runs out they should take all
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My sometimes helpful blog
I think Network Solutions is doing the world a favor by demonstrating just why fair competition is desperately needed in the TLD world.
Nothing worth doing is worth doing today.
nawh...
some Fsckhead manager at SAIC propbably piped up at a corporate meeting: "hey, why isn't our Network Solutions Thingie doing internet commerce yet?" At which point all the corporate Gods looked around, cleared their throats and shuffled their feet... and then some pee-on probably said "let't do tee-shirt firsts to see if it's safe!"... and there was light...
More proof that SAIC doesn't actually make anything of value to the average consumer (whops... time to dump stock).
-never post while drunk... you might hit the nail on the head via your thumb -- some pee-on
There's these two little things called "function" and "form" that they teach people who "make things" about at the "we teach people who make things" schools.
Something can look pretty and, yet, be totally useless. These things ususally end up in art galleries and studio apartments of the very rich.
Other things can be completely ugly to look at, yet be so incrediably useful that you life would cease to exist as you know it if you didn't use the "thing"... the average toilet is a good example.
Other things are both beautiful and useful. These items are used/acquired en mass by the world's population and, sometimes, make the inventors/creators very rich.
Things that are both ugly and useless end up in land fills (or you get married to them).
I'd put NSI's latest attempt somewhere between ugly but slightly functional to ugly and useless.
But, hey, what do I know... I've never designed a web page in my life. I just have to use them and look at them.
Man, Mighty (MM9897) fuck.com@SHIT.COM
Network Solutions
505 Huntmar Park Drive
Herndon, VA 20170
703-742-0400
Record last updated on 02-Mar-99.
Database last updated on 21-Mar-99 09:51:09 EST.
"That namespace rightfully belongs to the citizens of Niue."
.001% of the 5000 or so citizens of Niue have internet access... hell most of them probably don't even have electricty.
.nu domain any time soon. And if they did, we'de kick their ass in any cyberwar they started.
Spare us the bleeding heart liberal crap...
I'm pretty sure that not even
...and they aren't going to come calmmering for your
Their country's leaders have done the right thing by selling off their domain rights to Deerfield comm.
If anything the biggest thing you have to worry about is the Assuies opressing the hell out of Niue and taking their domain away from them, rendering the Deerfield contract null and void.
So, actually, you can think of capitolism as a force of freedom in this instance. Hell, maybe we can see the Niuewans a few guns to wax some Aussie ass...
...Always look on the bight side of life...
Consider securing your dot net and dot org Web Addresses as well.
This is not only inapprotpriate, it's downright greedy and totally against what the whole purpose of .net and .org are for in the first place!!!
Somebody shoot me now. The AlterNIC is looking better all the time.
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Erskin
geek.
Type the domain name. Voila.
Because you'd have to be blah.ny.ny.us instead of blah.org. ;-)
Just have to show my
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deus does not exist but if he does
You can still get basic whois queries if you don't mind the banner ads...
Domain Check:
DaGoodBoy
My God! It's full of Voids!
You can still get basic whois queries if you don't mind the banner ads...
h ois/whois">
<FORM METHOD="post" ACTION="http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/w
Domain Check:</BR>
<INPUT TYPE="text" SIZE="20" NAME="STRING" ><BR>
<INPUT TYPE="submit" VALUE="Domain Details">
</FORM>
DaGoodBoy
My God! It's full of Voids!
ageed, on both counts.
just an fyi, i've had modifies out there for 2-3 weeks that get processed if i send them faxes. yes, this sucks and is contrary to the process. but it at least works.
those of us who do this for a living need to document the hell out of each incident, put a case together and move forward. a negligent monopoly is a juicy target; just the filing of an action would generate sufficient scrutiny that they would feel compelled to clean up their act.
If you want to create your own top-level domains, there is absolutely nothing to stop you.
(And if anyone complains, well, accidents happen. You really didn't mean to enter -their- webserver name and map it to the IP address of that XXX site. Honest. It was merely a simple typing error.)
As for the "dot dot people", surely it'd be "dot slash dot people". Hmmmm. Resembles morse, a bit. What's "slashdot" in morse, anyway?
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
The registration process is the same...just use the same old email form guys. Ignore the irritating web crap...tis true though that the telnet function is gone.
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This is the Domain Name Registration Agreement you
recently created.
In order to complete this modification,
YOU MUST E-MAIL THIS FORM TO: hostmaster@internic.net
I've just tried several whois queries on me SPARC,
and snoop is showing them going to rs.internic.net.
Don't seem broken to me...
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Dammit Jim...It's "U-N-I-X",
Just go to www.netsolutions.net and click on make changes...then put in the address to modify or delete or go to the bottom and get the forms...man you guys should get a grip! Right there are your forms and everything...so WHAT IS THE DEAL?
In fact, beside cosmetic changes its the same
Also, read the site. There is no such thing as a "domain name". There are "web addresses". Since when is the web == whole bloody Internet???
It's funny, Donnie Barnes, myself and some others on the RedHat list were talking about being net/linux-geezers. I'm all of 26, but I remember using the Internet when there was NO web. Mark Andreesen and his pals were just a bunch of grad students who saw what some physicists in Switzerland were doing, then wrote a nifty X app to parse the stuff. That was the web. Funny, I remember domain names existing before that... :-)
Besides, AT&T owns the rights to the word "Internic". I wonder what gives NSI the right to redirect http://www.internic.net/ to http://www.networksolutions.com/. I don't see AT&T giving them the right to do that.
Also, these clowns are claiming 3.4 million domain names. Let's see.. 3.4M * $35 = $119M. These clowns have revenues of at *least* $119M, and can't even manage to keep the registry database running properly (anyone notice a week or so ago, when about half of the .(com|net|org|edu) domains dropped out of the registry (yet remained in the root servers)? $119M, and they can't even design a decent database system to warehouse the data. I dare say that I could build something fault tolerant that would handle the capacity that NSI's whois servers (oh, and try to telnet to rs.internic.net now!) currently handle, and then some for $10M - 20M. Sheesh.
--j
The unsig!
...and there seems to be no front end for it. You can't go to rs.internic.net/whois/ (or some equivalent page) and type the domain name into a box.
Clueless monkey, .US is free. US is still maintained by the IANA who has delegated most of the actual DNS away to various other organizations around the country. For instance, I maintain quite a few local city and town domains for NO cost.
What exactly are you smoking?
...and where can i get some?
One thing I think would put a damper on NSI and the squatters would be a simple rule: one domain name per organization. Period. No exceptions. You have multiple divisions in your company you want names for? Create 3LDs for them under your company name. Want .com and .net names? Sorry, decide which one you are. I suspect that'd take the wind out of NSI's sails, not to mention giving the domain squatters fits. Any thoughts?
Posted by Kirk T Brujah:
o is?) it will bring you to the internic whois...
If you strip the slashdot off of the address, (http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/wh
Same functionality, only uglier.
The ISP's are bringing them money...Why on earth would they want kill ISP's or compete against them by investing in the infrastructure, dealing with the hasssles, only to end up competing against the very ISP's who are bringing them tons of business....for free. Perhaps thats why they are running a pretty profitable business and you're stuck here posting meaningless rants about something you don't understand.
Christ dude, sometimes people search long and hard to find something to complain about only to find that there really is nothing there.
How on earth would you police something like this?
They got out of the business of saying "sorry you can't" to corporate folks, a few years ago.
We didn't protest then, and we are not protesting
now. There seem to be people who think we are protesting. The dns continues to be manipulated in a monopolistic fashion. So we haven't protested effectively. If you want change, work
hard to effect change. What if you find out that
means to stop working with the Internet, and letting it die? It becomes a question of how badly you dislike what's happening, versus how willing you are to work around the changes that are happening in the industry.
Put up or shut up! I for one can work with NSI
until the bitter end. When we go back to point-to-point, using numbers and local networks or something.
I'm an old guy. my career started before the internet was commercialized, and I suspect that it
will continue after the Internet (as we know it)
has died.
Since I see no initiative to really take control back from NSI, (just talk) I'm going to go do my
regularly scheduled work. Which involves me directly contributing to the death of the internet. Long live the internet. Fat be my biweekly paycheck.
Posted by Kirk T Brujah:
No, they have jacked up the prices and lowered the quality of service... Yes, I know it sucked before; but it sucks even worse now. When people use internic, the expect to be able to get work done with the least amount of teeth pulling. We don't need banner-ads and t-shirts.
I support the AIC.
(http://www.anti-internic.org)
Is it just me or is dyndns.org down about 70% of the time?
You'd need someone like Jon Postel, completely outside the DNS registry process and sufficiently respected as an impartial judge, who could make the final decision. And his decision would have to be final, no appeal possible. Whether that's doable or not I don't know, but I think that's the only way it could be done.
That's kind of a fatalistic attitude. The DNS alternatives have been "just talk" mainly because NSI was doing a sufficiently good job (or at least not a sufficiently bad job) that most people weren't terminally fed up with them. At some point NSI will push it far enough that even the most objectionable alternative will look better. And frankly, the old guard has a better chance of making an alternative work simply because they do pre-date the commercial interests.
Yes. Good idea....
How do you enforce it? It may be too late for something like this, though on any new TLD's this would be a great idea. As for enforcement? Lying on a domain application should be fraud. Too many domains are registered to 'bogus' businesses.
(Other than that, I don't think the internet should become hobbyist-only again but I do wish they were so quick to import the worst parts of TV and print.)
you know it's the suspensfull vacant stare guy,...
brought to you by the dot dot dot guy, . . .
"evil will win for good is dumb"
~3ghan
...have a look at Sam Spade. I think it's better anyway.
Perhaps if you would bother to take a moment and read the services NSI is offering, you would see that they are in *direct* competition with ISPs, as well as Internet Presence Providers.
It makes no sense to compete witht those who bring you money, but that is *exactly* what NSI is doing.
The unsig!
whois didn't return a domain record -- that's a contact record, which came up because the email address contains the string you searched for. No one has registered the domain name that you want.
And I also really doubt the person who belongs to that contact handle actually works for NSI. You can put anything you want in the form.
(Or maybe you think the problem is opportunistic chodes running fly-by-night ISPs who dont know what they're doing. Whichever, its the same cause and effect.)
But I just want to be a pain and point out that all of this is relatively recent. I started using the net around only 7.9 Msec Unix time, and its now something like 9.2. When I started using the Internet, colleges were still using their gopherspaces and budding webspaces solely for academic research and what not, and TV commercials had not yet started containing URLs. I even remember from my BBS days an old FidoNet primer for Internet messages that stated that no form of commercialism -- even *.forsale stuff, was verboten.
While more and more seasoned users (assuming I'm a seasoned user, which is likely scary to some) start crying foul over the growing mess we now have to deal with, we -- ALL of us -- pretty much sat by and watched it happen, either thinking that the perennial Net forces like NS would soon get it all back under control, or wondering how much money we could make off of it.
I like the ideas that some have had that ISPs and other net sites could rebel and destroy this monstrosity through mob brute force a la RBL and UDP. But unfortunately, I'd say it's quite too late.
Regards,
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
I checked it out on Friday night..I was about to reg a domain, but in a drunken stupor got sick of the wait and ended up lost. IMHO, it sucks balls, its slower than ever. (we ALL know that the thing moved about as fast as a snail going downhill) They should change it back, or redo the whole thing. Good Luck Network Solutions. Hope your monopoly ends DAMN soon.
PS: I wasn't out of it when I first started.
Actually, dyndns.org was down on Monday, March 22 for a large period of time due to first a 10 hour power outage, then severe connectivity problems. Prior to, and since, these problems we have had near 100% uptime. And this is totally off-topic.
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Tim Wilde
Sysadmin, Dynamic DNS Network Services
Free Dynamic DNS aliasing.