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"Ogg sounds better, but I can't go to walmart and buy a portable Ogg player."

My thoughts exactly. I'm as generally as happy with OGG at 128 or 160 as I am with MP3 at 192, but then I wouldn't be able to use my music in a car-based MP3 player...

Bah. You want to see ogg in commercial players? Use it then dammit and stop using mp3. Stop whining about lack of commercial support; it's a kind of Catch-22 see? If no one uses ogg because it isn't popular then of course it won't get commercial support. It's gonna take an initial sacrifice (so grow a spine and give up your precious mp3) so that ogg can become popular. Only then will we all reap the benifits (ubiquitous Ogg Vorbis).

Also, read this fascinating interview from early this year with Jack Moffitt and Christopher Montgomery, the two head guys behind Xiph and ogg. They discuss many things including the Iomega HipZip, which does support Ogg Vorbis.

Already posted: Microsoft's Land War in Asia
Should be worth a chuckle...