Domain: buckeyecablesystem.com
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Re:Stealing is wrong
I think we need to do some calculations here.
The best information we have is that the cable modem was capped at 128kb/s, and that they illegally adjusted it to 2.5Mb/s. So basically, they increased the cap by a factor of 20. Since they are using a shared-bandwidth system, in effect, they had one share but gained 19 extra shares illicitly.
How much would it have cost for them to buy that service at the regular monthly rate? What if they had actually have signed up for 19 additional cable modems? Buckeye's web site is here, and it turns out that the monthly cost for one cable modem is $44.99. So, assuming they had it enabled all month, this increased cap would have cost them 19 * $44.99 == $854.81 per month if they'd gotten it legally. (And the cap is the only thing that matters here, network-wise. Whether they're using one cablemodem or 20, the effect is the same if they download 2.5Mb/s, because either way, they are sharing pieces of the same bandwidth.)
Since there were 23 people involved and the company claimed over $250,000 value of computer services lost (the FBI minimum), let's examine how long the problem would have had to go on for that figure to be accurate. 23 * $854.81 is $19660.63 per month for all of them. (This assumes every last one of them left their cable modems at the maximum of 2.5Mb/s for the entire month.)
For them to reach the $250,000 mark, they'd have (all) had to do this (continuously) for 12.716 months, or about 12 months and 22 days.
An article from CableWorld says the investigation began in Februrary, and the arrests took place in July. Let's give them an extra month to notice and start an investigation. That totals 6 months, and 6 is less than 12.7. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe the claim is inflated by a wide margin.
My opinion: the cable company would have been basically within its rights to threaten a lawsuit unless each customer paid an amount of up to $854.81 per month (depending on the individual case) that they left their cable modems uncapped. If legal costs were incurred, they would have been within their rights to sue for a little more. And that is, basically, just about it.
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Their own policies don't cover this.Halfway down this page is a list of their agreements.
From the terms of service:The Subscriber must not attach any device that permits access to services in violation of the Subscription Agreement. In addition, federal and state laws prohibit the possession, use, or attempted use of any equipment to receive any Buckeye services except as expressly provided by the Subscription Agreement.
The subscription agreement17. Buckeye has no responsibility for, and is not liable for, the speed, content, or accuracy of any transmissions on the system.
And neither this, nor the Acceptible Use Policy state anything about what download speeds you're allowed. -
Their own policies don't cover this.Halfway down this page is a list of their agreements.
From the terms of service:The Subscriber must not attach any device that permits access to services in violation of the Subscription Agreement. In addition, federal and state laws prohibit the possession, use, or attempted use of any equipment to receive any Buckeye services except as expressly provided by the Subscription Agreement.
The subscription agreement17. Buckeye has no responsibility for, and is not liable for, the speed, content, or accuracy of any transmissions on the system.
And neither this, nor the Acceptible Use Policy state anything about what download speeds you're allowed. -
Their own policies don't cover this.Halfway down this page is a list of their agreements.
From the terms of service:The Subscriber must not attach any device that permits access to services in violation of the Subscription Agreement. In addition, federal and state laws prohibit the possession, use, or attempted use of any equipment to receive any Buckeye services except as expressly provided by the Subscription Agreement.
The subscription agreement17. Buckeye has no responsibility for, and is not liable for, the speed, content, or accuracy of any transmissions on the system.
And neither this, nor the Acceptible Use Policy state anything about what download speeds you're allowed. -
How to turn the "chilling effect" to our favor.
People have talked about the chilling effect of calling the FBI to kick in the doors of some kids. Perhaps Slashdot can show companies how this chilling effect can backfire. Here are the useful names and numbers to return their favor:
From their webpage:
We look forward to hearing from you!
Or by phone: 419-724-9800
Or visit in person
5566 Southwyck Blvd
Monday through Saturday from 8am until 7pm.
Sunday, 12 noon until 5pm
And don't forget to make sure to bite the hands that feeds them, here is the parent company's info. Block Communications Incorporated has these happy numbers listed:
Phone: 419-724-6000
Fax: 419-724-6080
Or from their earning press release . We can find these info tidbits:
Jodi Miehls
Treasurer of Block Communications
419-724-6257
jmiehls@toledoblade.com -
How to turn the "chilling effect" to our favor.
People have talked about the chilling effect of calling the FBI to kick in the doors of some kids. Perhaps Slashdot can show companies how this chilling effect can backfire. Here are the useful names and numbers to return their favor:
From their webpage:
We look forward to hearing from you!
Or by phone: 419-724-9800
Or visit in person
5566 Southwyck Blvd
Monday through Saturday from 8am until 7pm.
Sunday, 12 noon until 5pm
And don't forget to make sure to bite the hands that feeds them, here is the parent company's info. Block Communications Incorporated has these happy numbers listed:
Phone: 419-724-6000
Fax: 419-724-6080
Or from their earning press release . We can find these info tidbits:
Jodi Miehls
Treasurer of Block Communications
419-724-6257
jmiehls@toledoblade.com -
How to turn the "chilling effect" to our favor.
People have talked about the chilling effect of calling the FBI to kick in the doors of some kids. Perhaps Slashdot can show companies how this chilling effect can backfire. Here are the useful names and numbers to return their favor:
From their webpage:
We look forward to hearing from you!
Or by phone: 419-724-9800
Or visit in person
5566 Southwyck Blvd
Monday through Saturday from 8am until 7pm.
Sunday, 12 noon until 5pm
And don't forget to make sure to bite the hands that feeds them, here is the parent company's info. Block Communications Incorporated has these happy numbers listed:
Phone: 419-724-6000
Fax: 419-724-6080
Or from their earning press release . We can find these info tidbits:
Jodi Miehls
Treasurer of Block Communications
419-724-6257
jmiehls@toledoblade.com -
No Crime Here!!!!
IANAL - but...
I just finished reading all of Buckeye's Terms of Service (pdf) , Acceptable Use (pdf) , Residential Agreement(pdf) , etc. Nowhere in the text does it say that you have a limit on the amount of bandwidth you can use nor does it limit the type of use other that 'illegal activities' (Warez,etc.). I'll be interested to see what type of charge they come up with. It can't be theft of any kind - unless they didn't even subscribe to the service.
This is just another example of Cowboy police (local,State, & Federal) not even researching if any crime was committed before reacting. They are just trying to intimidate citizens and use gestapo tactics. I think we all should let both the company and the law know how we feel. Then these people should file a class-action lawsuit against them. -
No Crime Here!!!!
IANAL - but...
I just finished reading all of Buckeye's Terms of Service (pdf) , Acceptable Use (pdf) , Residential Agreement(pdf) , etc. Nowhere in the text does it say that you have a limit on the amount of bandwidth you can use nor does it limit the type of use other that 'illegal activities' (Warez,etc.). I'll be interested to see what type of charge they come up with. It can't be theft of any kind - unless they didn't even subscribe to the service.
This is just another example of Cowboy police (local,State, & Federal) not even researching if any crime was committed before reacting. They are just trying to intimidate citizens and use gestapo tactics. I think we all should let both the company and the law know how we feel. Then these people should file a class-action lawsuit against them. -
No Crime Here!!!!
IANAL - but...
I just finished reading all of Buckeye's Terms of Service (pdf) , Acceptable Use (pdf) , Residential Agreement(pdf) , etc. Nowhere in the text does it say that you have a limit on the amount of bandwidth you can use nor does it limit the type of use other that 'illegal activities' (Warez,etc.). I'll be interested to see what type of charge they come up with. It can't be theft of any kind - unless they didn't even subscribe to the service.
This is just another example of Cowboy police (local,State, & Federal) not even researching if any crime was committed before reacting. They are just trying to intimidate citizens and use gestapo tactics. I think we all should let both the company and the law know how we feel. Then these people should file a class-action lawsuit against them. -
Re:TOSBlockquoth the poster:
But in either case, you are using the provider's network (be it roads or fiber) and if you want to use it you have to play by their rules.
But you see, in this country, we like to think of ourselves as living under the rule of law. In this case, the rule of law is expressed through the Terms of Service, a binding contract between the ISP and the customer. I haven't seen the TOS, but I expect it doesn't say "Violators will be liable to sudden seizure of equipment by the FBI". It probably says "You'll lose the service and we will attempt to recoup our losses".
Actually, the TOS (PDF) says very little. To their credit, they do mention that
"In addition, federal and state laws prohibit the possession, use, or attempted use of any
equipment to receive any Buckeye services except as expressly provided by the Subscription Agreement."
Until today, I wouldn't have thought that meant the FBI might come knocking, but ...