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DARPA Starts Ultimate Language Translation Project
An anonymous reader writes "Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has launched the ultimate speech translation engine project that would be capable of real-time interpretation of television and radio programs as well as printed or online textual information in order to be summarized, abstracted, and presented to human analysts emphasizing points of particular interest." If combined with the tower of babel project we discussed earlier, it could only lead to awesomeness. -
The Diebold Voting-Machine Hack
Warm John writes to mention a short article on Doctor Dobbs Journal about the Hack that couldn't be done. "Hacking a Diebold voting machine was the focus of Cigital's Gary McGraw's keynote at SD Best Practices. He discussed 'Security Analysis of the Diebold AccuVote-TS Voting Machine,' a paper released by Edward Felten, Ari Feldman, and Alex Halderman of the Princeton Center for Information Technology Policy. 'The paper details a simple method whereby the Princeton team was able to compromise the physical security of a Diebold voting machine, infecting it with a virus that could change voting results and spread by memory-card to other machines of the same type.'" -
Google Launches Trends
An anonymous reader writes "Google started to offer a new Trends service that allows viewing search term request statistics split up by geographical locations and languages. In short one can use Google trends to figure out what's hot and what's not and perhaps even find cyclic patterns to pick best time to advertise. From my poking around Google trends I have noticed that there appears to be a general declining bias for most search terms that either has to do with the declining popularity of Google (i.e. less folks were using Google for the past two years) or with the declining amount of searches in general (which is highly unlikely)." -
Pay By Touch Goes Online
Max Fomitchev writes to tell us that Pay By Touch, the biometric identification service, has announced an online version of their service. While currently the only implementation of this service is in the brick-and-mortar storefront of Star Markets grocery stores, the company hopes that online vendors will start signing up soon. -
Pay By Touch Goes Online
Max Fomitchev writes to tell us that Pay By Touch, the biometric identification service, has announced an online version of their service. While currently the only implementation of this service is in the brick-and-mortar storefront of Star Markets grocery stores, the company hopes that online vendors will start signing up soon. -
Apple to Unveil New Leopard OS in August
Max Fomitchev writes "Looks like Apple is going to reveal its new cool and fast Mac OS code-named 'Leopard' in the upcoming World Developer's Conference in August. Good news for Apple! And terrible news for Microsoft. If 'Leopard' is really what it claims to be, i.e. fast and efficient, in sharp contrast to slow and resource hungry Windows Vista, we certainly would see Apple's remarkable market share gain next year." -
Two-Tier Internet & The End of Freedom of Speech
Max Fomitchev writes "The proposed Two-Tier Internet bill threatens not only to raise prices on goods and services served online but also to seriously hamper free speech on Internet by allowing telecom providers choking user pages and blogs not associated with major content providers. What a perfect way of censorship..." -
Two-Tier Internet & The End of Freedom of Speech
Max Fomitchev writes "The proposed Two-Tier Internet bill threatens not only to raise prices on goods and services served online but also to seriously hamper free speech on Internet by allowing telecom providers choking user pages and blogs not associated with major content providers. What a perfect way of censorship..." -
Unique Visitors = 1/10th of Unique IPs?
Max Fomitchev submitted a little blog entry where he proposes that the ratio of unique IPs to actual unique users is 10:1. This flies in the face of the numbers you usually see attached to these sorts of things. I'm not sure about the logic he uses to come up with these numbers either. -
Unique Visitors = 1/10th of Unique IPs?
Max Fomitchev submitted a little blog entry where he proposes that the ratio of unique IPs to actual unique users is 10:1. This flies in the face of the numbers you usually see attached to these sorts of things. I'm not sure about the logic he uses to come up with these numbers either. -
Making a Living Building Open Source Software?
asimbaig asks: "When I started my IT Staffing and Placement firm last year, I couldn't find a decent Applicant Tracking System (ATS) or an Open Source alternative. I then found SugarCRM, and was blown away by its power and ease of use. Partly frustrated with the existing vendors and partly inspired by SugarCRM, I decided to write that ATS using LAMP. 6 months and 45k lines of code later, I have just released the preview of industry's first Open Source ATS/HR Management system, called CATS. Now, it will be an interesting experiment to see if I can actually make a living out of it and move away from my IT staffing business. SugarCRM seems to be doing well, so why not?. Is anyone out there making a living from writing Open Source code?" -
Slashback: Decade, Fragmentation, RDRAM
Slashback brings you updates and amplifications on the SSSCA, the future of RAMBUS and Intel, fragmentation of filesystems, a book reviewer who's been publishing online longer than some slashdot readers have walked erect, and more. Read on for the details.A screenplay written by Jack Valenti? cc_pirate writes: "Apparently Sen. Fritz Hollings (D - Disney, er - SC) completed his hearings today on how the media needs to have content protection included in computers. Intel and other high tech companies resist and are chastized by Hollings."
Penguins are the new Turtles. Gerein writes "After many months of extreme lobbying, personal attacks, public petitions and surveys, the war over the future OS of the Bundestag (German parliament) is finally over (previous /. stories). As heise reports (in german, use the fish) Linux won't make it to the desktops (they're going with XP) but will take over the 150 servers. The last critical question over the directory service has finally been decided in favor to OpenLDAP instead of Active Directory. It's not the complete victory for Linux, many had hoped for, but it's a start for more Open Source in the German government."
Full disclosure seems like a nice idea. Merlynnus writes: "Yahoo! is running a story, Copy-protected CD makers lose battle, in which Music City Records, Fahrenheit Entertainment and digital rights management company Sunncomm have 'agreed' to stop collecting personal info, and to label copy-protected CDs as defective, er, play-challenged in certain devices. The agreement came as the result of court action by a Cali resident, Karen DeLise, over the Charlie Pride CD, 'Charley Pride: A Tribute to Jim Reeves.' Did that CD really need copy-protecting?"
This should have been transparent. Metrollica writes: "It turns out the transparent aluminium article at Spiegel was misunderstood. Sci-fighter published a correction. The transparent substance was not aluminium but alumina, shorthand for aluminium oxide. Slashdot reported on transparent aluminium here."
Odds are, somebody's written a thesis on it ... and here one is. Whether in response to this Ask Slashdot question or just a lucky guesser, Cine writes: "The standard filesystem benchmarking tools such as Bonnie++, Postmark , Mongo and others all test the optimum case for the block layouting algorithm. But in practice one also is interested to know how a filesystem performs when it is or was heavily used over a longer period (e.g. months and years).So Constantin Loizides has written a Master Thesis about the performance of filesystems under the influence of fragmentation."
Intel-Rambus break not as simple as portrayed. Controlio writes: "Tom's Hardware Guide has posted a clarification regarding the EBN story with the sensational headline, 'Intel to drop support of Rambus in new CPU products'. The article was also posted on Slashdot. Tom reports:
EBN had the sensational headline Intel to drop support of Rambus in new CPU products, but the story goes on to say, "Intel will continue using Direct Rambus memory with its network processors. Also, although not new products, the next iterations of its 850 and 860 chipsets, supporting a 533MHz front-side, will support RDRAM when they arrive, probably in the second half of this year." A little misleading, wouldn't you say? Hard to tell, but you read it for yourself, and make your own call.
Great. More sensational journalism. Maybe someone should submit Jack Robertson's resume to Fox News."Finally, some congratulations are in order. danny writes (does he ever): "February 28th marks the 10th anniversary of my first book review; there are now over six hundred. I have written an account of ten years writing book reviews, which illustrates something of how online publication has changed over the years."
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LinuxWorld Preview
jlttb writes "LinuxWorld gets under way this week in New York City, and CRN has some extensive preview coverage this morning, including a look at Raptor, IBM's first Linux mainframe, and other IBM and Compaq Linux servers to be announced at the show. A second feature takes a look at the growth of the Linux services channel, from industry heavyweights like IBM, Compaq, Red Hat and Caldera, to smaller 'mom and pop' Microsoft and Novell shops that are re-focusing on Linux. Finally, the magazine looks at how Microsoft and Sun are each fighting back against the gains made by Linux in corporate America." I still haven't packed yet, but I'm looking forward to the show. -
Google Doubles Server Farm
Mitch Wagner writes "Here's our followup story on Google's colossal server farm. When we first wrote about Google last spring, they had 4,000 Linux servers, now they run 8,000. Last year we focused on the Linux angle, this year we thought it was more interesting to go into the hardware, giving a little detail about some of the things Google has to do to build and run a server farm that big." Impressive. I always think our 8 boxes are cool, until I see this kinda thing. -
Large Open-Source Based Web Sites?
nellardo asks: "I know that, these days, most web sites are running on Apache and many are running on Linux or some flavor of BSD as well. But what are the biggest sites that go beyond that? We've talked about open-source application servers and the like here before, but where are these being used? Why do I ask? Well, duh, I'm trying to convince management :-) Seriously, CMP uses Mason and Slashdot uses Slashcode, but what are some of the other large ones?" -
Cover Story on Linux, plus An Interview with Linus
agermain writes "VARBusiness magazine is featuring a cover story on Linux in its April 12 issue. It details Linux's growing acceptance in small business and how value-added resellers and consultants can profit installing and integrating the OS for their customers. Also online is a Q&A with Linus Torvalds, the Wizard of OS, plus a pretty funny profile of Torvalds by the two reporters who interviewed him. The online Linux page rounds out the package with recent stories for resellers and useful Linux links. " -
Batch of Friday Fun
John Lazzaro sent us a link to This Techweb Article about reverse engineering future Intel CPUs. Brian Dial sent us a link to a A Security Site that some of you might like. Anthony David sent us A piece he wrote discussing software development and the like. René Fichter wants to know if there is any demand for an Open Source Graphical MUD. He's been working on one called Daenor that he's considerring opening the source to. Henrik Abelsson sent us a link to Denounce, a hilarious site that runs fake Press Releases. Very cool. An anonymous read submitted Realaroma. Its moderately entertaining. Finally Darren Ginter sent us an article about Signing Bonus's and the computer industry for those of us who thought that only Sports stars get such things. -
Batch of Friday Fun
John Lazzaro sent us a link to This Techweb Article about reverse engineering future Intel CPUs. Brian Dial sent us a link to a A Security Site that some of you might like. Anthony David sent us A piece he wrote discussing software development and the like. René Fichter wants to know if there is any demand for an Open Source Graphical MUD. He's been working on one called Daenor that he's considerring opening the source to. Henrik Abelsson sent us a link to Denounce, a hilarious site that runs fake Press Releases. Very cool. An anonymous read submitted Realaroma. Its moderately entertaining. Finally Darren Ginter sent us an article about Signing Bonus's and the computer industry for those of us who thought that only Sports stars get such things. -
SGS-Thomson to clone Slot 1
In a move confirming the reasons it purchased Metaflow, SGS-Thomson has announced that it will be cloning Slot 1. This will be SGS's first recent x86 chip not based on a Cyrix designed CPU. In a similar deal to IBM's, SGS has had the option of manufacturing Cyrix processors under its own brand name to give Cyrix Fab capacity. However it did not exercise this option. Metaflow is interesting in that it pioneered out of order execution and uses other novel techniques. While SGS does not intend to sell its chips on the open market, it does increase the competition in the x86 market. -
SGS-Thomson to clone Slot 1
In a move confirming the reasons it purchased Metaflow, SGS-Thomson has announced that it will be cloning Slot 1. This will be SGS's first recent x86 chip not based on a Cyrix designed CPU. In a similar deal to IBM's, SGS has had the option of manufacturing Cyrix processors under its own brand name to give Cyrix Fab capacity. However it did not exercise this option. Metaflow is interesting in that it pioneered out of order execution and uses other novel techniques. While SGS does not intend to sell its chips on the open market, it does increase the competition in the x86 market. -
SGS-Thomson to clone Slot 1
In a move confirming the reasons it purchased Metaflow, SGS-Thomson has announced that it will be cloning Slot 1. This will be SGS's first recent x86 chip not based on a Cyrix designed CPU. In a similar deal to IBM's, SGS has had the option of manufacturing Cyrix processors under its own brand name to give Cyrix Fab capacity. However it did not exercise this option. Metaflow is interesting in that it pioneered out of order execution and uses other novel techniques. While SGS does not intend to sell its chips on the open market, it does increase the competition in the x86 market. -
Free and Commercial Software (feature)
This is the first of a series of articles investigating the interplay between Open Source Software and commercial vendors. The common thread will be to find out how authors have earned a living from writing and servicing GPL/Open Source Software.The series kicks off with Michael Tiemann, one of the founders of Cygnus Solutions, and author of the C++ component of GCC. Cygnus is one of the pioneers in commercial support for open-source software. It sells support and customization services for the gnu programming tools (gcc, gdb, ld, etc). Initially, the Free Software Foundation applauded this, but more recently, RMS feels that by also selling proprietary software Cygnus has betrayed the principle of free software.
In this interview, Michael discusses what it takes to set up a business based on open source software, what Cygnus hopes to add to GCC, and why they took the decision to sell closed source software.
What is written in red, is what Michael wrote to me in an email
What is written in green, is what I transcribed from my notes of our telephone interview. Any mistakes therein are mine.- How difficult was it for you to set up Cygnus Solutions?
- How did the banks cope with Cygnus' non orthodox business model?
- How difficult was it to find the first customers?
- What advice could you give someone who has written a GPL'd (or similar) program, and wants to live off it by providing services to commercial users?
- Can one survive purely on the provision of services?
- What types of services have you found to be the most important for commercial customers? What sort of guaranties do they want? What should one pay special attention to?
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The greatest challenge in setting up Cygnus was in finding a name under
which we could do business. This is not a joke...for three months we
went through a process of finding a name, submitting it to the dept. of
corporations, only to learn that the name had already been taken. We
were about to give up hope when such an ugly name as "Software Support,
Inc." had been registered the same year we tried to get it. When we
learned that Cygnus Support (note the embedded GNU in Cygnus) was ours
to use, we were overjoyed.
Cygnus was started with virtually no money. At the time, I wanted John Gilmore (whose userid was gnu@sun.com) to be one of the founders (he was employee #5 at Sun, and was the guy who ported BSD Unix to the 68020), not for his money, but for hus programming skills. I put _my_ money where my mouth was, proposing that all three founders put in the same amount of money at the start. At that time, I had less than $3000 in the bank, so I proposed we each put in $2000 at the start, and raise the ante to $5000 when I could afford it. As you can see, we did _nothing_ to try to get banks interested, so there was nothing to explain to them.
As for finding the first customers...it was just a matter of knocking enough times on the correct doors. As the author of GNU C++, it was pretty easy for me to talk to high-level technical people, who would then introduce me to mid-level managers. We sold GNU support primarily as a cost-saving measure, so we did not need VP level approval. Nowadays we have a much more strategic sell, but we're also much better established, so we can call on and get VP level approvals.
I've always advised everybody that if they want to start a free software business, they should not let anything stop them. Of those who did, most managed to break even or make a small profit, leading me to believe that there's more to Cygnus's success than merely addressing a market opportunity. We've always been willing to make tough decisions, and we've always listened to customers, even when they were yelling at the top of their voices. Those who do free software for love, rather than money, are not going to survive what we've been through.
As far as what customers really want...they want somebody who will listen to their needs, formulate a long-term plan, and then deliver without a lot of hassle or risk. Some customers like to see you work; others like to see the work you do; still others think you are doing a great job if they never see you. In the end, it's not the guarantees you offer that make customers come back..it's what you can deliver. The free software model is unique in that it actually gives an incentive for customers to work with you, not independently from you. In the fast-moving high tech world, that advantage has put us in the #1 spot in our market...no mean feat.
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The greatest challenge in setting up Cygnus was in finding a name under
which we could do business. This is not a joke...for three months we
went through a process of finding a name, submitting it to the dept. of
corporations, only to learn that the name had already been taken. We
were about to give up hope when such an ugly name as "Software Support,
Inc." had been registered the same year we tried to get it. When we
learned that Cygnus Support (note the embedded GNU in Cygnus) was ours
to use, we were overjoyed.
- Cygnus and the FSC (Free Software Community)
- What exactly are you providing to the FSC?
- We pour about $10M/year into the development of new free software. We run the servers from which 500,000 people have downloaded our stuff. We promote the concept of free software in articles, conferences, and advertising. We sponsor free software projects and pay free software contractors who do work that's related to our business requirements (though not something we'd directly commercialize). We provide a generous matching fund so that employees and customers who want to donate to the FSF can see their donation multiplied.
- How long does it take for your new code to be released in Egcs, or other freely downloadable source code?
- The std deviation of this number makes an average number meaningless. If you download EGCS, I'll bet that the ChangeLog entries are no more than 45 days old. Compare that to other FSF-controlled packages where they can be months or years old. It is important to realize that we don't control when the FSF releases code.
- How much do you feel you are getting from the FSC? Would it have been simpler to write you own compiler?
- Simpler, perhaps. But we would not have been able to distinguish ourselves from the other N proprietary companies. I mentioned earlier that people are now chosing Cygnus not because we are cheaper, but because we are _strategic_. We could not have achieved that strategic positioning in the compiler space in any other way.
- What overhead is there with working with the FSC?
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It's whatever you want. Some people like to spend hours arguing about
indentation styles. Others just decide they are going to do somthing
and they do it. I wrote the first native-code C++ compiler in 6 month
in 1987. It was hard work, and it was rough, but once I demonstrated
the momentum I could sustains, dozens joined to the GCC/G++ team.
In 1989, when GCC 1.x was getting fairly mature, I wrote an instruction scheduler, re-wrote a branch scheduler that had been abandoned, and wrote several cool new optimizations that could not easily fit with GCC 1.x. I declared that we should start GCC 2, with the goal of integrating this new work, new C++ language features, and an eye towards optimal code generation for RISC machines.
GCC 2.x is now reaching maturity, and it's just not possible to preserve that kind of stability with the while working on advanced/experimental/cool new stuff we want to do. Hence we created EGCS. I've been amazed at the number and quality of volunteers who are now working on that branch. Thus, for GCC 2, the overhead is high, whereas for EGCS, the overhead is negative.
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It's whatever you want. Some people like to spend hours arguing about
indentation styles. Others just decide they are going to do somthing
and they do it. I wrote the first native-code C++ compiler in 6 month
in 1987. It was hard work, and it was rough, but once I demonstrated
the momentum I could sustains, dozens joined to the GCC/G++ team.
- What sort of friction is there between immediate customer concerns and the interests of the FSC?
- No difference to any other scarce-resource problem.
- The FSF's objective is a free software world. The customer's objective is a solution that satisfies his needs. The problem is that commercial work always pays more, so more people do that, which frustrates the FSF that not more people are on its bandwagon.
- Which strengths do you see in the Bazaar and Cathedral models of free software development?
- Although Eric Raymond is very good at coming up with beautiful theories, I dispute whether they are a true reflection of reality. I see GNU and Linux as two cathedrals. Both Linux and RMS are benevolent dictators. What sets them apart is that Linus is willing to take more risks, to rewrite more of his software, while RMS is a perfectionist. Overall, I believe that risks win, and the risk of reimplementing things lead to a better result. Eric and I were both at the Foresight institute to discuss Netscape releasing their source code. Eric said that Cygnus's model was to provide service to commercial customers for free software products, while Netscape was going to lead the standards with its Free software strategy. I disagree with this since Cygnus too is leading the standards in the embedded market with free software.
- Why did you decide to sell software without source-code, given that this soured your relation with the FSF?
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We measure success in $$, not FSF relationship. Free software works
great for support, not for products.
Cygnus has been very successful at its challenge. In 8 years we've become the number one tool supplier for the embedded market. Our growth is limited only by the number of sales and technical people we can find to employ. I expect our business will be eventually worth 100 of millions dollars per year. But this has taken lots of effort, and is only achieved by making life easy for our customers. For instance, we support 17 different host-target combinations for Cisco alone. Their routers' CPUs vary from the very simple basic RISC chip to very complex CISC chips with fancy features, yet they want the same code to work on any host-target combination. Contrast this to Sun or Microsoft where the same code will not work on SunOS 4/Solaris or Windows 95/NT. We support SGI, HP, NT (etc) so that our customers do not have to decide on their platform because of us. In total we support 170 different host-target combinations.
The proprietary model and the free software model provide two different kinds of simplicity. The free software model provides simplicity of APIs: there is no need to waste time reverse-engineering things if you have source. The proprietary model provides simplicity of control: your software does not go off and have a life of its own, you can control your investment, your price points and focus on command performance rather than spend time on building a consensus. For instance, say we have two customers, one of whom has a bad bug he needs fixed, the other of whom has sent us an enhancement to our product. Say furthermore that we only have enough time to service one of their needs. If we fix the bug, then the customer who sent us the enhancement will be disappointed -- they did what the GPL said to do --, and they will wonder why they need support from us, since the guys on the net included their enhancement while we did not. If we add the enhancement, then one of our customers still has a bug, and if he cares nothing for having the source-code, he will look somewhere else for business. So adopting the proprietary model allows us to control our strategy. If the need for strategic control disappears then the software can become free, but this might never happen. For instance, dejagnu was not planned to be commercial software, so we put on the net to get help from the people out there.
In my opinion, Sun has done a bad job at being a software leader, as has Microsoft. What GNU and Linux are doing is pushing the envelope back up.
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We measure success in $$, not FSF relationship. Free software works
great for support, not for products.
- You provide compilers for the embedded market
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Yes. The embedded market is very different from the traditional desktop market.
For instance, the object files that became popular in the embedded market
differ from those used in the desktop/workstation markets. Originally embedded
people worked on Sun 3's and cross-compiled 68000 code into a.out executables.
But a.out has limitations such as not allowing multiple data sections. New
formats were devised to address this and other issues.
Another difference is the embedded market is extremely cost-conscious. For instance, the money made on cellular telephones is made on the subscription. Thus the bill of materials for a cellular telephone must be extremely low. Similarly, end-product functionality is more of a concern that compatibility. Because RISC processors provide approximately twice the compute-power for half the electric power of a CISC processor, they are being adopted more rapidly than in the PC market. MIPS is now dethroning the previous king of the embedded world, the 68000 family, having sold 44 million units last year versus 68000's 42 million.
Providing one same set of compilers for a wide variety of chips has made us into the standard for the embedded market. We have close ties with CPU companies, such as Toshiba, so that each new chip is released with a new version of our compiler. This makes it easy for our customers to choose which ever chip will give the best cost/performance ratio, without worrying about high porting costs.
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Yes. The embedded market is very different from the traditional desktop market.
For instance, the object files that became popular in the embedded market
differ from those used in the desktop/workstation markets. Originally embedded
people worked on Sun 3's and cross-compiled 68000 code into a.out executables.
But a.out has limitations such as not allowing multiple data sections. New
formats were devised to address this and other issues.
- What features did you have to add for this market?
- We added many features that improve code performance and code size. We provide a very lean and mean implementation of C++ to allow embedded programmers to use the C++ features they need. Indeed, we were the first to ship C++ for the embedded world, for Nortel in 1990. We've added the ability to control via #pragmas the type of return code the compiler should use, so that interrupt routines can be written in C. Another embedded feature is the ability to specify into which segment each function should go. And to help our customers migrate rapidly from chip architecture to chip architecture, we have a whole series of #pragmas to control the way in which data structures are laid out in memory. This allows them to have binary compatibility of data structures even if the code was originally written to access words at odd boundaries, but the target processor does not allow this.
- Are there any new #pragma like commands to control code size at a lower granularity (e.g.: for single functions)
- Are there any new #pragma like commands to control speed as a lower granularity (e.g.: for single functions)
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We find generally that programmers want the same level of optimization for a
particular module. However some optimizations of that kind are described in
the processor specific
optimization documentation: these are processor dependent trade-offs.
For instance, on an R10000 (MIPS), bigger code is faster in that keeps all
4 pipes full. On the other hand, we had to deal with very high space constraints
when we worked with Sega. They used the Gnu compiler for the Sega Saturn.
And although the SH (Super Hitachi processor)
encodes
32 bit instructions into 16 bits, we had to change the compiler significantly
to cope with the fact that loading immediate values (such as 57) is very
convoluted: you read the value then jump over it, making immediate value loads
very expensive when the compiler assumed they would be cheap.
Generally, we think code size will become less and less of an issue: at the rate at which chips are shrinking and processes are improving (such as the extreme Ultra Violet process), the average DRAM chip will contain 1.7 Gbits in 2001 and 237 Gbits in 2012. Bandwidth problems will be alleviated by developments such as Mitsubishi's M32R chip, which has a core on a 16 Mbit ram, and has a huge bandwidth.
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We find generally that programmers want the same level of optimization for a
particular module. However some optimizations of that kind are described in
the processor specific
optimization documentation: these are processor dependent trade-offs.
For instance, on an R10000 (MIPS), bigger code is faster in that keeps all
4 pipes full. On the other hand, we had to deal with very high space constraints
when we worked with Sega. They used the Gnu compiler for the Sega Saturn.
And although the SH (Super Hitachi processor)
encodes
32 bit instructions into 16 bits, we had to change the compiler significantly
to cope with the fact that loading immediate values (such as 57) is very
convoluted: you read the value then jump over it, making immediate value loads
very expensive when the compiler assumed they would be cheap.
- Do you have any benchmarks to compare the current GCC levels of compilation (code size, speed) with compilers from Metaware, IBM, Microsoft, Borland, Symantec, Intel's VTUNE, etc?
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We use the
Bench++ benchmark. In contrast to SPEC benchmarks, this uses Stepanov's
abstraction benchmark to determine the cost of various C++ features. For
instance at the 0th level of abstraction, the code uses an integer, at the 1st
it uses a double, then a class with a double member, then a class with a double
pointer member... including template iterators until the 12th level is reached.
GNU beats Sun and HP's compilers by a factor of 10. Similarly, GNU exception
handling is 10 times faster than HP's.
In terms of the SPEC base benchmarks EGCS attains the same level as SGI's compiler (the best in the business) with -O and -O2 options. Beyond that, SGI allows one to specify tons of options, such as cache size, which generates better code. However no one actually uses these options, so it's not much of an issue.
As a company, other than the CygWin guys, we don't compare ourselves with the PC guys, so I can't give you a comparison. The DJGPP guys may have some info. Metaware is a non factor for us, since none of our customers complain about our performance.
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We use the
Bench++ benchmark. In contrast to SPEC benchmarks, this uses Stepanov's
abstraction benchmark to determine the cost of various C++ features. For
instance at the 0th level of abstraction, the code uses an integer, at the 1st
it uses a double, then a class with a double member, then a class with a double
pointer member... including template iterators until the 12th level is reached.
GNU beats Sun and HP's compilers by a factor of 10. Similarly, GNU exception
handling is 10 times faster than HP's.
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Future trends
- What new features would you like to see in future revisions of GCC?
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We'd like to see a good implementation bridging the gap between C/C++ and Java.
There are good ideas in Java. It provides open standards that are very important
to the downloadable world I believe will arise in the future: it provides a
simple way to connect to the web, which essential to achieving an information
aware infrastructure.
However Sun's current behaviour is very worrying. Anything that Sun writes becomes a Java API. This is not unlike Microsoft, who redefined C APIs, even though a standard existed (POSIX), to such an extent that even "hello world" will not work (stdout and stderr are not available from winMain()). Sun is playing a similar game with Java, and we fear it will lead to incompatibilities, balkanizing Java, and letting the competition win. Although Sun snipes free versions of Java, all it is doing is replaying the Unix wars. We hope that GCC will be the free standard wedge that keeps the door open.
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We'd like to see a good implementation bridging the gap between C/C++ and Java.
There are good ideas in Java. It provides open standards that are very important
to the downloadable world I believe will arise in the future: it provides a
simple way to connect to the web, which essential to achieving an information
aware infrastructure.
- What do you think of the idea that programs are JIT compiled to optimize the features being used, to maximize memory efficiency (as Intel's VTUNE does) while minimizing total footprint by leaving most of the code in a compressed bytecode format (as www.tao.co.uk is suggesting).
- We view the problem rather differently: what do you want to use your CPU power for? Do you want to use it for JIT compilation, or for running the application? We think the latter. So the JIT should be done on the server. There is no reason why your processor could not identify itself to the server and let the server produce whatever native implementation is best for it. Profile information could also be sent to the server in this way. We will be showing in an upcoming Dr Dobbs Journal, that the performance one can achieve in native-compiled Java is comparable to that of C. Speedwise, this is a better solution than a Java chip, because Lisp Machines have already shown us that register based machines present many more opportunities for optimizations than stack machines. Powerwise it is also advantageous as compilation is rather expensive on a battery. Even in terms of code size, gzip compressed 32 bit RISC code is comparable in size to the equivalent byte-code.
- What do you think of IBM's idea of simplifying processor state-machines to increase frequency by moving more of the complexity to software?
- Like EPIC, the proof will be in the proverbial pudding. Different RISC implementations vary greatly in power, although in principle they should provide similar levels of performance. For instance, a 200 Mhz R10000 provides a similar level of performance to a 600 Mhz Alpha.
- Do you anticipate commercial proprietary source-code will at the end of the day dominate the market-place, or do you feel that free software backed up by a service industry will take over?
- I think the distinction will be like the difference between public and private life. While we may let all the people on the net look at our source-code we don't let them play with our money. I believe that free software will determine the standards in the world. Proprietary software will exist in niches, where customers don't care for the source code. Instead of spending time building a concensus, proprietary software allows a company to focus on producing a piece of software as quickly as possible to catch a market opportunity. For instance, we use ORACLE's database software. We don't have the source-code, and don't want it because its internal complexity is irrelevant to us: we just want to use it.
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IDT redesigns C6 chip
Centaur's next x86 processor will have 128Kb of not L2 but L1 cache on board. This will be a first. Currently, the current largest L1 x86 is the Cyrix 686MX chip. A large L1 does help performance (zero cycle access instead of one or more), but is more timing critical to implement than an L2. -
Microsoft takes control
Microsoft and Intel are apparently discussing a new PC architecture: PC 2000 or Legacy-free PC. This should, in a way, not surprise us: in the era of the low-cost PC, rarely used features are a target for cost-cutting. WinModems are a case in point, since the microcontroller that parses the AT command set can be eliminated by a Windows Driver. What is interesting is the radical way in which even respected APIs like Soundblaster will be eliminated. By making it more expensive to support legacy features, Microsoft and Intel will probably get their way. The concern for free software, is that old hardware at least is documented and standard, whereas cutting-edge hardware often requires NDAs and many new drivers. -
Microsoft takes control
Microsoft and Intel are apparently discussing a new PC architecture: PC 2000 or Legacy-free PC. This should, in a way, not surprise us: in the era of the low-cost PC, rarely used features are a target for cost-cutting. WinModems are a case in point, since the microcontroller that parses the AT command set can be eliminated by a Windows Driver. What is interesting is the radical way in which even respected APIs like Soundblaster will be eliminated. By making it more expensive to support legacy features, Microsoft and Intel will probably get their way. The concern for free software, is that old hardware at least is documented and standard, whereas cutting-edge hardware often requires NDAs and many new drivers. -
TI has good idea
TI unveiled today a DSP embedded into DIMM modules. Like Mitsubishi's M32R core, and Siemens' Voice Engine, combining RAM and a core in the same device minimizes bandwidth bottlenecks. Unlike Mitsubishi's solution, TI's would be placed into standard DIMMs, which would appear to be dumb RAM to the OS until it gave commands to the DSP. This architecture should provide great improvements in processing power over classical CPUs. It is also likely to prove popular to RAM manufacturers, who can differentiate their products and avoid all out price wars. More info here. -
TI has good idea
TI unveiled today a DSP embedded into DIMM modules. Like Mitsubishi's M32R core, and Siemens' Voice Engine, combining RAM and a core in the same device minimizes bandwidth bottlenecks. Unlike Mitsubishi's solution, TI's would be placed into standard DIMMs, which would appear to be dumb RAM to the OS until it gave commands to the DSP. This architecture should provide great improvements in processing power over classical CPUs. It is also likely to prove popular to RAM manufacturers, who can differentiate their products and avoid all out price wars. More info here. -
TI has good idea
TI unveiled today a DSP embedded into DIMM modules. Like Mitsubishi's M32R core, and Siemens' Voice Engine, combining RAM and a core in the same device minimizes bandwidth bottlenecks. Unlike Mitsubishi's solution, TI's would be placed into standard DIMMs, which would appear to be dumb RAM to the OS until it gave commands to the DSP. This architecture should provide great improvements in processing power over classical CPUs. It is also likely to prove popular to RAM manufacturers, who can differentiate their products and avoid all out price wars. More info here. -
Hackers and Money
Tim Downey sent us this techweb article where you can read about how money has changed hacking. Interesting quotes from guys who are security consultants paid to hack into machines, and comments about the differences between the commercial guys and the people that the media is always hyping. -
The new kid on the block
Intel is apparently to introduce a bridge to Merced, which might include legacy 32-bit support. Perhaps they are starting to remember that Microsoft took some time to convert from 16-bit code. Gee, I wonder if there's still some of it in Windows 98... -
Static and Dynamic compilation
While HotSpot will be delayed until the summer, other vendors are testing alternative technologies. A favorite seems to be compilation to a native instruction set, which gives an insight into the speeds that could be obtained. New garbage collection algorithms and a better understanding of memory allocation issues should also help. And while current JIT's deliver lower performance, there are reasons to believe that JIT compilers might eventually become more efficient than native code. However, this does not mean that Java need be the portability solution: Taos is selling a new portable OS, Elate, written in a virtual assembly code based upon a run-time translator. -
Static and Dynamic compilation
While HotSpot will be delayed until the summer, other vendors are testing alternative technologies. A favorite seems to be compilation to a native instruction set, which gives an insight into the speeds that could be obtained. New garbage collection algorithms and a better understanding of memory allocation issues should also help. And while current JIT's deliver lower performance, there are reasons to believe that JIT compilers might eventually become more efficient than native code. However, this does not mean that Java need be the portability solution: Taos is selling a new portable OS, Elate, written in a virtual assembly code based upon a run-time translator. -
IBM hits 1Ghz
Architecture is as important as fabrication process for new advances in CPU speeds, claims Mark Dean, director of the IBM Austin Research Lab. IBM has demonstrated the GUTS of a new PowerPC processor running today at Gigahertz speeds. An interesting question is whether IBM has the tools to produce scalable PowerPCs based on the dynamic circuit-design style which is more difficult to move between processes. -
Strong ARM team quits
Most of the StrongARM team has quit Digital to work for Cadence, rather than for Intel. Those left are working on the latest Alpha. This probably spells the end of StrongARM as we know it. How will this impact Corel, and its Linux based box? -
Is that CPU really compatible with the x86 standard?
Well... there isn't really a standard, but rather an implementation. Every x86 maker must test millions of combinations of opcodes to see whether their newest spawn survives the legacy software rites. Perhaps that explains why so many x86 vendors use kernel compilations under Linux as a stress test. More details are here. -
Sun Reinforces Sparc
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Transmeta News
Simon Janes wrote in with the following update on Transmeta, the mysterious company that nobody really knows exactly what they are doing, but the names of the people involved are amazing. Simon writes "Alexander Wolfe's "Wintel Watch" column ' Hot x86 chips for '98 and beyond' for EETIMES asserts that Transmeta is possibly working on a x86 alternative for low-power, multimedia, or network computing, or all of the above.Wolfe is not ignorant of Transmeta's recent hire of Linus Torvalds and easily sees Linus's importance in the Unix community, giving Transmeta "a big leg up in any effort to design a processor tuned to handle real-world networked applications."
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Transmeta News
Simon Janes wrote in with the following update on Transmeta, the mysterious company that nobody really knows exactly what they are doing, but the names of the people involved are amazing. Simon writes "Alexander Wolfe's "Wintel Watch" column ' Hot x86 chips for '98 and beyond' for EETIMES asserts that Transmeta is possibly working on a x86 alternative for low-power, multimedia, or network computing, or all of the above.Wolfe is not ignorant of Transmeta's recent hire of Linus Torvalds and easily sees Linus's importance in the Unix community, giving Transmeta "a big leg up in any effort to design a processor tuned to handle real-world networked applications."
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Transmeta News
Simon Janes wrote in with the following update on Transmeta, the mysterious company that nobody really knows exactly what they are doing, but the names of the people involved are amazing. Simon writes "Alexander Wolfe's "Wintel Watch" column ' Hot x86 chips for '98 and beyond' for EETIMES asserts that Transmeta is possibly working on a x86 alternative for low-power, multimedia, or network computing, or all of the above.Wolfe is not ignorant of Transmeta's recent hire of Linus Torvalds and easily sees Linus's importance in the Unix community, giving Transmeta "a big leg up in any effort to design a processor tuned to handle real-world networked applications."