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  1. Re:The study by Znork · · Score: 2 · on Warming and Slowing the World
    On the other hand, if you take a longer view on history, the last 100 years is one of the coldest episodes in the last 10000.

    In my opinion the greenhouse effect doesnt even begin to explain temperature over a longer period, and as long as nobody in the CO2 camp appears to be able to explain why the temperature was a lot higher when we didnt release any CO2, and has fluctuated far more widely than the current observations through history, I will be inclined to be extremely sceptical of the current claims.

    http://www.co2science.org/subject/other/clim_hist_ tenthousand.htm

    And here (http://www.co2andclimate.org/Articles/2001/vca44. htm you can see some compelling data linking temperature history to solar activity levels.

  2. +1 Rational on the MQR standard by MarkusQ · · Score: 3, Interesting · on Warming and Slowing the World
    While I don't rate "Discovery" very high as a source for information about science, this raises my estimation of their credibility.

    I also applaud you for posting this. The pettition you refer to has not received enough attention (see also). But even more important is to look at the data.

    -- MarkusQ

  3. Re:global warming by Casca · · Score: 1 · on Global Warming Mostly Confirmed - On Mars

    Sure they are debating that fact:

    http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/GippEssay8.html
    http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ae1c76f63fd.ht m
    http://www.co2science.org/edit/v4_edit/v4n10edit.h tm

    Those are just a few examples... People still debate the existence of AIDS:

    http://www.garynull.com/Documents/AIDS/big_lie_abo ut_aids.htm

    So what makes you think they wouldn't argue over global warming?

  4. Re:Hold on there, Chicken Little by nels_tomlinson · · Score: 3 · on Water On The North Pole
    Yes, we've made the air in Oklahoma more humid, too, I'm told. I was speaking very loosely in that original post. It's well-known that cities have temperatures slightly above the surrounding countryside. This has been true, I gather, as long as we have been able to measure temperatures. That, and Egypt and Oklahoma are examples of changes to smaller or larger microclimates.
    By the way, most of North Africa was farmland two thousand years ago, when it was the bread-basket of the Roman empire. I've heard several stories about what happened. One holds that plowing ruined the soil and allowed desertification, another holds that the rainfall patterns changed. I suspect that there is something to both those ideas. I'm not sure how much of this recent change is due to Aswan and other irrigation projects, and how much is due to shifting rainfall patterns. I've never looked into it.


    Back to what I set out to say, there are many temperature series out there. Some of them go back over one hundred years. Reliable global temperature series don't seem possible in the pre-satelite era. Yes, many European cities have temperature series going back way further than that, and we have cores from the Greenland icecap which give us hints about the local-to-Greenland weather for hundreds of thousands of years. There is still some controversy about the conclusions to be drawn from them.

    Here are a couple of links:
    National Ice Coring Lab This has some ice core data sets, and some perspective on them.

    Global Climate Perspectives System These guys have some models and some data up on the web.

    Global Temperature Anomolies" This is a NASA site...

    This is a fellow who seems to take it as given that the temperatures have increased (I'm still not convinced), but isn't sure about why.

    Here is a site put up by some folks who aren't convinced by the popular press coverage of global warming.



    I know I've found some much more usefull links in the past, but I can't stumble over them right now. One thing that you want to keep in mind is that ( according to researchers I've talked to) being trendy is vital to getting grant money. If the politicians and the bureaucrats they fund are convinced that global warming is politically significant, you base your grant proposals on the idea that global warming is real, even if the really interesting questions start from another premise. Or, you don't get funded. So while I won't say that anyone is whoring for grants, I will say that the scientific debate might be on rather different terms if it weren't for politics.