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Microsoft has the best virtual machine with .NET, the best development tool with Visual Studio...

This is a rather subjective statement, and as far as .NET being the best VM, I say BS. .NET is proprietary and only works on M$ platforms. Relying upon a proprietary standard with regards to computer and network systems in business is a costly mistake. Mono folks need not chime in as they are taking a huge risk and I don't even want to go there. As a developer, I don't like either one (.NET or VS). I used to develop using VS and liked it, but have since found better tools that support multiple platforms as well as the real stanadards (as compared to the standards that M$ has decided upon. I also no longer have to deal with M$ platform bugs, quirks, and security problems.

If linux had any dev environment that was ANYWHERE NEAR as good as VC++, maybe I wouldn't despise working on it.

As for a decent IDE for Linux, there are several. I like Code Forge as it supports a wide range of languages, editiors, debuggers, compilers, assemblers, and source control. For the past year, I've been using Sun's IDEs for Java and C/C++. The UML modeling capability in Sun Java(r) Studio Enterprise 11 is great - make a UML model of your application and tell the IDE can generate the code from it (or do it the other way around: create the model from existing code). For getting a quick handle on how an application - or the Linux kernel - works, what all the functions, methods, opjects, etc. are, nothing beats Understand for C++ and Understand for Java. The Sun IDEs are cross-platform and free for registered SDN developers (free registration). Understand tools are not free, but well worth the money, and are also cross-platform. Code Forge is UNIX only.

The bottom line is: Saying Linux has no good IDEs or other development tools is not true and one only needs to look and select the one that they like the most. I've found I can develop applications on Linux, with Linux tools, far faster, easier, and cheaper than I ever have on Windows. That includes developing Windows applications (I simply do the GUI portion on a Windows box, if I need to).

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Commercial, there is a tech preview of their next release at: http://www.codeforge.com/

Hi,

> Speaking of tabs, something that I would absolutely love:
> I want to be able to indent or unindent the opening statement for a given loop, be it int, sub, function, if, for or else, and have the entire
> section that it describes, including the braces, indent accordingly.
> Anyone know of an editor that has this?

C-Forge has this feature, I think it's successor, Code Forge IDE, should have it, too:

    http://www.codeforge.com/products/?id=4

You tried using Eclipse for C++ development on Linux? You do realize Eclipse is a Java IDE, right? There are a lot more choices for doing C++ than the silly CDE plugin for Eclipse.

For little scripts and the such I still use vi, or sometimes emacs (depends on my mood), but for big projects, I tend to use CodeForge. Just my $.02 :)

I never really got into emacs. I dig vi a lot though. When I went looking for an IDE, I came across C-Forge C-Forge There is a demo available on the site. It has pretty good project management, DND, rcs, and defaults to DDD for debugging. I also love the fact that the editor can operate in 'vi' mode.

C-Forge ( http://www.codeforge.com) is close. Not perfect, but close.

• It uses unix tools, like gcc for C programming (It supports abt 20 programming languages. I use it for Java, Python and C) and DDD for debugging.
• Everything is configurable.
• It's project manager uses standard Makefiles

It does use it's own editor, tho.