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My friend who used to contribute a lot in terms of articles and even money decided to stop because the deletionist assholes made it such a pain for him that he now despises the site. And although almost none of his contributions were deleted, he hated the way half his time was spent arguing with deletors about his work.

Even Jimbo Whales has experienced this. He started an article on Mzoli's Meats , a butcher shop and restaurant in South Africa. When it was almost speedily deleted, he told the deletors to "excuse themselves from the project and find a new hobby.". In other words, get a life and stop ruining the project. Unfortunately, a bunch of editors added information to the article so it's now kept, and Jimbo doesn't have to confront either the bitterness many have felt in getting their work destroyed or remaking policy so that people like my friend would continue contributing.

These asshole admins are really making Wikipedia a crappy site, and their effect on valuable editors is worse than what any nasty vandal might do since admins are part of the power hierarchy. This is another valuable lesson in what happens when you give thoughtless small minded people a little power. They make their pronouncements and mass annihilations without any consideration on what the effect might be on a person who has spent sometimes hundreds of man hours creating, maintaining, and protecting his/her articles. They dismiss people by spouting some arbitrary interpretation of policy backed up by their cabals, while those who have better things to do like actually create content get fucked over. James Derk of The Daily Southtown wrote an article where he talks about having a similar experience.

Also, here's a good Slashdot thread illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the deletionist admins. It is part of the Slashdot story Call For Halt To Wikipedia Webcomic Deletions which is filled with former contributors testifying to their own treatment at the hands of these assholes. It's sad how some people seem to really get off on destroying the work of others.

I think it's interesting how when I don't know about a subject, editing an article on it would be considered vandalism. But it's perfectly OK for the deletors to destroy work relating to things they often know nothing about. Sometimes they even use their very ignorance as justification.

I think it's interesting how when I don't know about a subject, editing an article on it would be considered vandalism. But it's perfectly OK for the deletors to destroy work relating to things they often know nothing about. Sometimes they even use their very ignorance as justification.

I think Wikipedia has a choice right now. Allow a lot more in than they are currently doing and piss off the deletionists, or let these deletionists have their way and piss off the content creators(And I should add, it's not only deleted articles that are targeted, but plot synopses, trivia sections, clearly permissible images, etc. have all succumbed to the slash and burn mentality of these deletionists.). So Jimbo, who would you rather keep around?

I heard that a Federal phone tax was implemented to help pay for WWII.

Actually the Federal Excise Tax was implemented in 1898 to pay for Spanish American War.

Depends on whether you are Democrat or Republican.

Yes, they do. But this is not something unique to Christianity or unique to religion. The opposite tendency, called immanence, can be equally dangerous, since it can claim that there is no real value to human life. Tribal religions that practice human sacrifice and cannibalism may fall into this category. Since we aren't really dealing with that extreme today, its easy to imagine that there are no problems with it and paint the other side as an unalloyed evil.

I don't think anybody tries to say God is the reason why the internet was invented.

You should try talking to some conservatives. From this article: "The success of the West, including the rise of science, rested entirely on religious foundations, and the people who brought it about were devout Christians." From the author of The Victory of Reason : How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success. This is not a fringe view, this is very commonly discussed by conservatives to justify invading Iraq.

I'm also from IL, and I'm glad he has no chance. I will even be doing my part to vote against him. A month ago he talked of corruption in IL. Absolutely nothing backing it up, just more fear mongering. There is a good reason he is down so much. Some other polls suggest that he may be down less than 45 though, so please if you're in IL make sure he has no chance.

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Don't you feel more comfortable knowing John Ashcroft is in charge of firearms now?

this is a link to a local Illinois newspaper editorial on the Illinois State's Attourney commenting on this to various policing bodies. He presents some interesting points. Check it out ..

Microsoft Corp. is holding its first "Be Sure It's Legal Day" from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Tuesday in the main lobby of the James R. Thompson Center, 100 W. Randolph St., Chicago. People who suspect their software might be pirated are encouraged to bring the software to the event to be examined by Microsoft experts. Microsoft announced Thursday it had sued five Illinois companies -- including businesses in Homewood and Matteson -- alleging they sold counterfeit software to consumers and business customers.