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First, DeCSS has nothing at all to do with what you state. If it did then the pirates would be using it instead of commercial burners. If it were an individual user issue, the blank media would have to be less expensive than the origonal. It is not. Besides, DeCSS is just a decyphering program. It is not a way to copy anything.

However, the topic has nothing to do with "killing" DeCSS.

The ONLY thing the court did was try to muzzle a news outlet. End of list.

Please, show us where DeCSS has been killed? Has it stopped existing at the bang of a gavel? Will it reappear as if by magic if the appeal is won? Hell, I will settel for some evidence of an *attempt* to "kill" DeCSS, but there is none. None at all.

All the court did was try to muzzle a news outlet. End of list.

Why must people be under the illusion that a judicial or legeslative body has the power to stop anything whatsoever, besides a human heart? Certainly a court can take away a person's liberty, life and/or property, but making a court decision does not yet have the Merlinian effect of a global erasure of a decyphering program, idea or discussion.

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Please mod this guy up? It is refreshing to see a post with a clue.

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Sorry, doodz, you are missing MY point. A true conservative has the highest regard for individual rights and property.

If I own a machine, I should be able to tell that machine what I want it to do, with my own instruction set/program, or a set given to me by someone else.

DeCSS does not copy anybody else's work, it is origonal work. I fail to understand why you imply that it has some sort of copyright infringement attached to it.

If I purchase a block of metal and want to make a replacement part for my Jeep, nobody should be trying to tell me what size or pattern for bolt holes I may use because someone else used them first. I know that I do not have the right to mill the word "Jeep" into the finished item, without permission, because Jeep did not make the thing, I did. At any rate, doing the above is just as much of a copyright violation as DeCSS.

The case at hand would be if Emmanuel were taken to court for putting my blueprints in his magazine with my permission.

Why you are throwing these meaningless political parties into the mix is beyond me. They can call themselves five legged dogs if they wish and it still does not make them five legged dogs.

Don't be blinded by the label, take a look at the product. Anybody that backed this stupid law is as far from being a true conservative as a Kennedy (pick one).

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Can you ever imagine a true conservative even listening to the defense of some lefty anarchist hacker punks who flagrantly flout the law and are proud of it, while an upstanding MPAA man in a respectible suit is saying that they're stealing, pirating, corrupting others, breaking the law, and probably showing people how to crack porn sites to boot.

Frankly, yes I can. Conservatives leaning toward the "law and order" point of view and seeing right through a law that is obviously a violation of basic property rights (since conservatives actually believe that property can be owned ;-). There is no way that anybody should be able to license *origonal* instructions to a machine owned by someone else. It might be wrong to copy someone else's instructions and use them as your own, etc, but this is a case of someone coming up with origonal work to tell a machine what to do. I can see a "feel good" liberal/progressive (what is the pretty name these days?) throwing in stuff like "effictive piracy" or "virtual piracy" to make believe that an "idea" has been stolen, but it sure does not sound like a conservative arguement to me.

Try posing this arguement to a "gear head" sort of guy: you can not tell other people how to make milled valve covers in their machine shop, because GM has a copyright and the machining instructions are a "secret". Do you really think that ANYBODY will believe that telling "joe sixpack" what he can do in his own garage, with his own hands and tools, is a conservative arguement?

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But first, OB response to da groundhog: 1984 was not written by Orson Wells, it was written by George Orwell. And now for the link: my MPAA phone call... by eries. (please mod him up?)

The link is so far down that many might miss it (no excuse, just the facts) and it has this e-mail address for MPAA PR emily_cutner@mpaa.org

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We can all laugh at such words but they represent something very sinister. We are now expected to believe that telling someone how to get a file with a link is the same as offering it yourself. I want to know if this works both ways - if I point someone to a site or product that costs money, is that also a "distinction without a difference" that will allow me to be compensated? This kind of logic is already giving me nightmares.

It gives me other nightmares. It gives the tax man a reason to tax me for funds I have never been promised, nor have ever recieved. Or a Domestic Court deciding that a father must pay child support on same. But thank G_d that 2600 is not in either of those courts.

This smacks me as the judge saying that I have no right to remove the Torx nuts on (insert item) that I bought and paid for, because it needs a "special" security (?) Torx driver (tiny hole in the middle, purchasable anyplace). If I have the gumption to tell others about this, I am violating a "security provision" and then convicted.

For some reason, the same lie repeated over (not in this post) and over again, became "truth" in the press and in that worthless courtroom. DeCSS allows READING, nothing more.

To further PERSICUTE a simple magazine and web site for showing people how to read is absoutly outragious, but not unexpected.

Hopefully, when a court run by a TRUE conservative (USA style) gets hold of this, the mess will be over. Can you ever imagine a true conservative saying that a bunch of "lefties" in Hollywood should tell you what you can do with your own computer equipment? Can you really see a true conservative telling anybody that they can not give their own instructions to their own DVD player to decode and play their own DVD in the privacy of their own home? It is like imagining a conservative telling garage mechanics "you must not use your drill press for drilling 1/4" holes without a license from Ford".

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Also try different nation codes and whatever the .ny.us thingie is for Middle Island, NY.

This usually gets around the blocking software.

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Then, I start to think about the I-Opener. A modem. No ethernet.

I-Opener has one USB port (contrary to a false rumour, you can add another if you like surface mount soldering). The USB can be adapted to ethernet if you like. The caviat here is that Netpliance does not support any of the above, even thought the hardware does (kinda).

You can check the latest progress on I-Opener hacking here, including the processor upgrades up to K6-III 333 AFK (it is an OEM chip, Fry's has tham all).

The point is well taken that it does not seem like the manufacturers want to enable this capability, even if it is sitting there waiting to be activated. Kinda disappointing.

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Since it seemed obvious from the outset that this Judge is as cluefull about electrical devices as, say a strict traditional Amish man (no offence to any of that faith reading this), how do you propose to convince the appeals court that *we* should be able to: use our choice of decoder, running in our choice of legally obtained operating system, running on our choice of legally obtained computer, with our choice of legally obtained playing device, playing our legally obtained DVD? It seems that is the issue here, not the political motivation of Emmanuel, or anybody else for that matter.

If the question looks long to you it is because, to me, it looks like legal stuff I have had to read in the past ;-)

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Like I said, it was "back in the day" like 14 years ago or so.

The point that I failed to make was that real programmers keep telling me that the different programming languages are impacted, naturally, by the language of the creators.

Sorry for stabbing the wrong part of europe!

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Back in the day I was forced to take a Pascal class. I was told that Pascal was created by French programmers anf that is why "it is the way it is".

I found it to be a major pain, but some folks like it. Anyway, from what the CS majors and professors said, the language of the programming language inventor has a big impact on the way it is structured.

Sounded good to me.

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Is it too much to ask for some non-proprietary features? Like standard interfaces for perifrials?

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That is because it is not a REAL RDBMS.

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*IF* you are in a production environment, you need a *real* RDMS, NOT MySQL (a file system with a SQL interface).

PostgreSQL sounds cool, will look deeper for my next DB server.

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