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In another paper I saw that Norway+Sweden was next to Colombia and Finland next to Venezuela:
http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/baltica-amazonia-and-the-samba-connection-1000-million-years-of-6ICpDpEcbF

The "baltica-amazonia-and-the-samba-connection" :)

This was apparently long _before_ the Gondwana.

There is more to the Earths history than many want to understand.

"Your right. But more efficiency equals more profits and we know profits is what business is about." If your talking about the social profit or social "surplus" than yes. However most wealth is not enumerated on the balance sheets of the Forbes 500. + Even if it is, if everyone is dead who is there to enjoy it (thats not expected but hyperbole depicting the declining utility of wealth being concentrated in the few).

First of all, profit and wealth and nto the same thing. Second, I made a statement about companies goals, not your preference or something that can only be measured by guesses. Lets not confuse the world with how it is compared to how you want it to be.

"Externalities are already paid for in the savings of cost of the product." That would be theoretically possible however just about every bit of research ive seen have put the costs at high multiples of current prices . In fact I have not seen any works Id consider reasonable that says that total net prices are any way near half the net externalities alone.

Net prices doesn't matter. IT's the net savings and it will change with the costs assigned to the externality. Most externality figures of cost are arbitrary anyways.

not that I give much credence to the hippies but the following link gives an intro to the economics. http://www.environmentforbeginners.com/content/view/47/51/

YEah.. There is a reason why that type of market is not commonly in place and why people dogpile tackle, kicking and screaming trying to avoid it.

There have been multiple international studies put together by leading experts in their fields all concluding to massive external costs which are not being properly accounted for. I cant find the more important ones at the moment but http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/emerald-publishing/external-cost-of-air-pollution-from-thermal-power-plants-case-of-X3B0iiXTKr

And as I said before, that is accounted for in the savings to the consumer. If a consumer did not want cars spewing Co2 into the air, they would stop driving them. But since they are not, they are accepting the externality by accepting the activity at the reduced cost.

ones at the moment but http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/emerald-publishing/external-cost-of-air-pollution-from-thermal-power-plants-case-of-X3B0iiXTKr

This one concludes that there is over a 1 billion a year of damage to Greece alone. Which is fraction of the size of the US. Using that figure to extrapolate the net world wide loss in productivity is easily within the low/mid 100's of billions a year. Which is on the low end of what I remember seeing. External costs range from poor health / more sick days / the walls of buildings needing to be painted and rebuilt more often (the chemicals in the air help erode the building materials/ cars break down more often (same effect and more crap in the air filters) etc etc.

Again, they are accepting that cost completely by demanding cheaper products. That is accounted for in their savings. And that's not even getting into the entire concept of it costing some country money (because it isn't).

"Your right. But more efficiency equals more profits and we know profits is what business is about." If your talking about the social profit or social "surplus" than yes. However most wealth is not enumerated on the balance sheets of the Forbes 500. + Even if it is, if everyone is dead who is there to enjoy it (thats not expected but hyperbole depicting the declining utility of wealth being concentrated in the few).

First of all, profit and wealth and nto the same thing. Second, I made a statement about companies goals, not your preference or something that can only be measured by guesses. Lets not confuse the world with how it is compared to how you want it to be.

"Externalities are already paid for in the savings of cost of the product." That would be theoretically possible however just about every bit of research ive seen have put the costs at high multiples of current prices . In fact I have not seen any works Id consider reasonable that says that total net prices are any way near half the net externalities alone.

Net prices doesn't matter. IT's the net savings and it will change with the costs assigned to the externality. Most externality figures of cost are arbitrary anyways.

not that I give much credence to the hippies but the following link gives an intro to the economics. http://www.environmentforbeginners.com/content/view/47/51/

YEah.. There is a reason why that type of market is not commonly in place and why people dogpile tackle, kicking and screaming trying to avoid it.

There have been multiple international studies put together by leading experts in their fields all concluding to massive external costs which are not being properly accounted for. I cant find the more important ones at the moment but http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/emerald-publishing/external-cost-of-air-pollution-from-thermal-power-plants-case-of-X3B0iiXTKr

And as I said before, that is accounted for in the savings to the consumer. If a consumer did not want cars spewing Co2 into the air, they would stop driving them. But since they are not, they are accepting the externality by accepting the activity at the reduced cost.

ones at the moment but http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/emerald-publishing/external-cost-of-air-pollution-from-thermal-power-plants-case-of-X3B0iiXTKr

This one concludes that there is over a 1 billion a year of damage to Greece alone. Which is fraction of the size of the US. Using that figure to extrapolate the net world wide loss in productivity is easily within the low/mid 100's of billions a year. Which is on the low end of what I remember seeing. External costs range from poor health / more sick days / the walls of buildings needing to be painted and rebuilt more often (the chemicals in the air help erode the building materials/ cars break down more often (same effect and more crap in the air filters) etc etc.

Again, they are accepting that cost completely by demanding cheaper products. That is accounted for in their savings. And that's not even getting into the entire concept of it costing some country money (because it isn't).

"Externalities are already paid for in the savings of cost of the product." That would be theoretically possible however just about every bit of research ive seen have put the costs at high multiples of current prices . In fact I have not seen any works Id consider reasonable that says that total net prices are any way near half the net externalities alone.

not that I give much credence to the hippies but the following link gives an intro to the economics. http://www.environmentforbeginners.com/content/view/47/51/

There have been multiple international studies put together by leading experts in their fields all concluding to massive external costs which are not being properly accounted for. I cant find the more important ones at the moment but http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/emerald-publishing/external-cost-of-air-pollution-from-thermal-power-plants-case-of-X3B0iiXTKr

This one concludes that there is over a 1 billion a year of damage to Greece alone. Which is fraction of the size of the US. Using that figure to extrapolate the net world wide loss in productivity is easily within the low/mid 100's of billions a year. Which is on the low end of what I remember seeing. External costs range from poor health / more sick days / the walls of buildings needing to be painted and rebuilt more often (the chemicals in the air help erode the building materials/ cars break down more often (same effect and more crap in the air filters) etc etc.

My point is that when you have a system that is so open to corruption, with so few checks and balances, and so much baggage inherited from institutions that began in the dark ages, it's no surprise that you end up with science that's much less than perfect.

Its also no surprise when you end up with science that is horribly incomplete.

We need to place more emphasis on using the internet as a repository for non-published works. (Like DeepDyve http://www.deepdyve.com/corp/about ).

With this comes the boogie man of the kook "scientist". (Which unfortunately includes any scientist who is not yet published).

We need to start using something like the Web of Trust found in key signing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust to document the credentials of scientists without regard to the content of any specific work.

(Scientists A, B, C, and Institution 1, 2, and 5 sign Professor X's credentials certifying that they know him to possess the training and education to conduct studies in his field, without any indication of approval or disapproval of his current work, but with due regard for any past work of which they may be aware).

With a web of trust you would be able to distinguish the kooks (those with closed webs of trust) from the real scientists (those with open and expanding webs).

This would allow us at least some clue as to credentials and knowledge of the scientist under discussion rather than the mere presence of an article in a journal of questionable value. http://blog.bioethics.net/2009/05/merck-makes-phony-peerreview-journal/

Either this DeepDyve thing is the best search engine ever or they are smoking crack. They have a pro version for $45 a month. http://www.deepdyve.com/why_deepdyve/deepdyve_pro that's got to be some pretty good venn diagrams to be worth $45 a month...

I don't know about you guys but I prefer not to have to sign up or use the "pro" version for my web searching needs.

In fact why do I have to sign up to web search anything?

Besides this thing looks like it just gets in your way.

Thanks, but it's not a google killer.