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NO SPAM POLICY - e360 has a strict, no spam policy. Spam is a serious industry problem for consumers, internet service providers, and legitimate marketers. e360's policy is to only send email messages to those who want to receive them. e360 provides consumers with notification, choice and control as it relates to the receipt of marketing messages. Consumers opt-in to e360's programs and must meet e360's confirmation standards in order to receive marketing messages. Once entered, consumers can opt-out to cancel their subscription at any time for any reason.

Better yet, lets all forward our spam to e360 contact form. Please feed me spam!

"Recently E360INSIGHT have filed a suit against those same people, likely for defamation (or libel, not sure)."

Well, then make sure you call them by their name: "SPAMMERS

"The court's ruling today is an important step in defending the rights of legitimate marketers," said Dave Linhardt, e360's President and Founder. "Amazingly, Spamhaus continues to believe it can operate above the laws of the United States. Based on Mr. Linford's refusal to comply with the permanent injuction, it is my opinion that Spamhaus is nothing more than a vigilante, cyber terrorist orgainzation with a dangerous God complex."

http://www.e360insight.com/show_case_doc49.pdf

http://www.e360insight.com/contact.php

Get nasty!

$ while [ i = i ]
do
wget http://www.e360insight.com/Motion-for-TRO.pdf -O /dev/null
done

that should do it!

You can send your personal message of moral support to e360insight here: http://e360insight.com/contact.php I sure did. If enough of the ./ crowd join in, we can make them feel the same way all of us feel every day when we get their spam.

And please, people, take care not to use their https server instead as that would not only use up extra CPU on their server but would also reveal that they're running RHEL and that some chopper has left the port open.

do you suppose those fuckers have a spam filter on their mail server???

and if so is it using spamhaus's list???????

As long as you are visiting the site you may as well download this 191 page pdf. If we all download it we can better understand the case. This 27 page pdf might be worth checking out as well, you know, to get the facts straight.

As long as you are visiting the site you may as well download this 191 page pdf. If we all download it we can better understand the case. This 27 page pdf might be worth checking out as well, you know, to get the facts straight.

go ahead, ./ers, spam the spamers: their contact.php script is a sad effort. There's no check whether fields are valid.

http://www.e360insight.com/contact.php

If you are a reporter working on a deadline, you can call our media relations department at (772) 971-4816. Select the option to have us paged if you need to reach us immediately.

Please, oh please! In the memory of my dear departed Aunt Myrtle please don't abuse their contact page! If you want to provide them with insightful (heh, I said insightful again) commentary, it is only reasonable to provide them with a real email address so they can reply! Using a random fake email address when you contact them would just be wrong. These freedom loving people are fighting for your rights!

Oh please, for the love of God, I plead with you not to abuse the internet resources of e360insight. These good people are concerned about YOUR personal freedom, which you'd know if you went to their webpage to read their material. Please don't flood their contact page with insults and don't post random email addresses. I don't want people to put a huge loan on their web server -- I simply want each and every person at Slashdot to make up their own mind, based on their own exploration the information on their website

Oh please, for the love of God, I plead with you not to abuse the internet resources of e360insight. These good people are concerned about YOUR personal freedom, which you'd know if you went to their webpage to read their material. Please don't flood their contact page with insults and don't post random email addresses. I don't want people to put a huge loan on their web server -- I simply want each and every person at Slashdot to make up their own mind, based on their own exploration the information on their website

Oh please, for the love of God, I plead with you not to abuse the internet resources of e360insight. These good people are concerned about YOUR personal freedom, which you'd know if you went to their webpage to read their material. Please don't flood their contact page with insults and don't post random email addresses. I don't want people to put a huge loan on their web server -- I simply want each and every person at Slashdot to make up their own mind, based on their own exploration the information on their website

Oh please, for the love of God, I plead with you not to abuse the internet resources of e360insight. These good people are concerned about YOUR personal freedom, which you'd know if you went to their webpage to read their material. Please don't flood their contact page with insults and don't post random email addresses. I don't want people to put a huge loan on their web server -- I simply want each and every person at Slashdot to make up their own mind, based on their own exploration the information on their website

For some reason, I have this urge to go to http://www.e360insight.com/contact.php and just send "Haha".

http://www.e360insight.com/index.html

You will notice that, at the bottom of the page, there is a contact us type button.

I think we've all learned something important here today.

Please, for the sake of fairness, please go to the e360insight website Read for yourself what they have to say. Consider it carefully, go back later to gain additional insights. (Heh, I said insights.)

It was a commentary on spamhaus' legal argument so far. Not an opinion on how things should work.

1. Spamhaus requested jurisdiction be moved to a federal court in this (PDF) document, thereby accepting jurisdiction of the court.
2. The Illinois District Court is a general trial court of the US federal court system.
3. Their ciurrent position - after losing horribly through inept legal arguments - seems to be that they're nice people.

I can't give you the address of the judge, but e360insight would like to hear from you - "We want to hear from you so we can learn more about your needs."

Go to http://www.e360insight.com/contact.php and provide them with your views on this matter. I, for one, would like less spam in my inbox. How about you?

It took me a while to find E360's site, as it has a PageRank of 0 (compared to Spamhaus' 7). Interestingly, the site has no content other than a record of the case, highly biased:

This ruling confirms e360insight's position that Spamhaus.org is a fanatical, vigilante organization that operates in the United States with blatant disregard for U.S. law. In addition, e360insight has proven that Spamhaus routinely exposes their customers and volunteers to extreme legal risk by continuing to engage in improper blacklisting, defamation, extortion and blackmail in the name of fighting spam. Importantly, this ruling clearly establishes the validity of e360insight's legitimate business practices as a responsible, opt-in marketer.

If you are a responsible, permission marketer doing business in the U.S., you are free to use the information on this website, our documents, legal strategy or Synergy Law Group to pursue a case of your own against Spamhaus or any other improper blacklist organization that is damaging your legitimate business.

Please think of this the next time when a court from another country tries to tell you what a US bases company can do. Maybe US citizen should fly to Iran to defend themselves in trial there?

Why not? That's what Spamhaus did, they hired a US lawyer to say, "This doesn't belong in a US state court, it belongs in a US Federal Court."

So it went to federal court, they got a ruling they didn't like - then after stating a US Federal court had jurisdiction says, "Whups - we said we'll give you jurisdiction, but now don't think that's right - you can't do this - nya nya!"

Thumbing your nose at a court after admitting the court has jurisdiction over you is not a good idea.

source: http://www.e360insight.com/show_case_doc.pdf

Yes, it's on e360's site - I doubt anyone's dumb enough to forge US federal court paperwork when they live in the US court tho.

IANAL, but it would seem to me that showing the UK court system the document where Spamhaus has conceeded that the US Federal Court system does have jurisdiction would trump any other arguments.

You are aware that this WAS a federal court, right? It just happened to be located in Illinois.

Spamhaus had it moved from Illinois Circuit Court to United States District Court in July, then stopped responding to the District court once it was moved.

Here's a scan of the document saying that it had been moved.

This is what e360 insight webpage has to say about them self.

"... Spamhaus didn't seem to care that we are an opt-in email marketing company. They didn't seem to care that the only way to get onto our mailing list was to signup for it. They didn't seem to care about the thousands of customers who would not receive order confirmation messages or other email messages they requested. ..."

That sounds awful a lot like a spammer to me. Here is there full story, http://www.e360insight.com/case_history.html from e360 insight. Read with that in mind.

e.g. 10 concurrent requests for 120 seconds

ab -c 10 -t 120 http://www.e360insight.com/

Of course e360insight here means to substitute the website you want to test...

while true; do curl -s -N -o /dev/null http://www.e360insight.com/; echo -n "."; done

Post your spam here...
http://www.e360insight.com/contact.php

e360 commited purjury in court. They even admit to it - Spamhaus is UK based, but they claim it to be operating in America. Check out the site: http://www.e360insight.com/

PS. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if, oh, 10,000 slashdot users hit the site with wget -r running as 10 separate subprocesses...this fucktard needs a serious hit from several thousand people with a cluestick, maybe he might get the point and back the hell off if the internet dumped their entire bandwidth down his pipe...

For shame!
Their web site has lots of useful information.
And I think you should get it all with
wget -r http://www.e360insight.com/
Repeatedly, if necessary.

The fact that they seem to be purely a marketting firm with nothing better to put on their frontpage would be enough for me to manually blacklist them. They go as far as calling Spamhaus a secret organisation: http://www.e360insight.com/

Wow. For being such big a-holes they sure do put up a lot of big PDF files on their website: http://www.e360insight.com/case_history.html

The title may be obscure. Spamhaus' motion to remove the case to federal court is listed on e360's website under the heading Notice of Removal.

I agree.

Except, I don't see how the summary of the legal expert tallies with the evidence (e360's website has all the court docs, as well as a slightly biased summary of events. quite a good resource all considered). I don't see any indication of them filing to move this case to a district court.

But this is the problem. I lurked on news.admin.net-abuse.email a bit, where they talk about this sort of thing. The naivety about the law is quite remarkable, even by my standards. They're still playing the "yah-boo can't touch me" game.

Also, we can express our concerns directly to them at http://www.e360insight.com/contact.php. They were nice enough to have a comment submission form. I hope they have a lot of disk space for submitted comments.

Also, we can express our concerns directly to them at http://www.e360insight.com/contact.php. They were nice enough to have a comment submission form. I hope they have a lot of disk space for submitted comments.

According to the court documents at http://www.e360insight.com/case_history.html, Spamhaus did hire lawyers and filed a response to the original complaint. Then at some point they fired their lawyers and ignored the rest of the case.

Here is a link to the whole timeline from e360Insight's webpage -- it includes info about the court and the judge and the decision: http://www.e360insight.com/case_history.html