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...as far as having a napster like app for freenet, thats not going to happen...

A napster-like app using freenet has been in the works for some time. See espra.

With Freenet's model, the documents would merely migrate closer to the nodes making the specious requests -- indeed, the extra requests would simply result in *more copies* being available throughout the network!

I sincerely hope that a Freenet-based music search system (such as Espra) becomes consumer-ready soon; we may soon need one.

what I Should have done, >> is not shut down napster. . cuz it was a very centralized type orginzation, that had many loya people that would have loved to pay 10.99 a moth for that service (and that just soungs), now>> we have lost control of the masses, all napsters "loyal" followers have fleed to other services which carry much more then songs.

Affter wollowing in the defet that I did not do that .. I would then realize that I should not make the same mistake again. and act quick in trying to set up a system where any p2p service would be forced to give me money at some point.

1) I would want to work with the file sharing services, perhaps set up something similar to what freenet clones have set up in relation to fairtunes, but naturaly charge more and force p2p people to use the standard or be legaly procecuted to the full extent of the law. you could make the sound files have some sort of propriatary encryption and include some videos with the file as to dellay the cracking of the file. . for a few weeks and it would be considered premium content, the content where you would make most of your money, then
also charge a failry high monthly fee for a all you can eat, advertise it as the best P2p network because it would be if it had the most users, . . and then just pay a percentage of the monthly subscription to the to copyright holders based on transactions, and swallow your pride in the sence that it is uncontrolable that certain files are going to be cirulating, the second you try to remove a file from the system is the second people stat jumping ship then you have no control and no control over your consumers would be horrible.

furthermore your service will not be popular if it does not provide the unlimiated access to every possible file that other service provide. By making thouse other services harder to maintain (making them illegal) and making sure your service has a good set of content .. or at least the apperance of such, you might stand a chance.

ofcousre even then .. we have problems, ownership of things is sooo built into our sociaty, the idea of owning something without paying for it and not physically steeling it/ taking it away from any praticular person, rather a big evial corrperation, is not considred a bad thing by many people. I mean I don't know. . when ever you really think about one of these thing you find that your doomed to info anarchy or a totalitarian state, which we know neither will happen.

Espra.net Music sharing over freenet.

Napster is dead already. For those of you that didn't get the memo, "Dogs Barking. Can't fly without umbrella!". Sound of Dieing Giraffe

There are many alternatives currently available or under construction. Hotline, Direct Connect, Gnutella, Espra, Google. :)

Behold the next wave.

And in other news, recent developments seen on Sourceforge include SQL over carrier pigeon and SQL over pnuematic tube. Combined with holographic storage, room temperature fusion, and a beowulf cluster of Ximian-driven network degraders, this promises to be the future of computing.

Getting a bit more real, Espra looks to be shaping up as a tasty music-sharing layer for freenet. It's a GUI-licious as a fresh dreamsicle.

Espra, which is a music-sharing program build on top of Freenet has a little button by each song that says "tip artist" (you can see it in this screenshot). I've not tried Espra so I don't know how it works (or if it's even implemented yet), but from an interface point-of-view it sounds plausible that many people will use it. This is all assuming micropayments become practical soon, so you're not paying more in service charges than you're giving to the band :)

Espra, which is a music-sharing program build on top of Freenet has a little button by each song that says "tip artist" (you can see it in this screenshot). I've not tried Espra so I don't know how it works (or if it's even implemented yet), but from an interface point-of-view it sounds plausible that many people will use it. This is all assuming micropayments become practical soon, so you're not paying more in service charges than you're giving to the band :)

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Enter Napster. Suddenly, everyone has a reason to think of their computer as no different from all the other computers (even if they are going through a centralized server). It becomes clear that there is great utility in being connected, and having access to other machines, both upstream and downstream. Now that the populus has gotten a taste of this, I doubt they'll go back. Napster will be re-implemented as Espra over Freenet, and given the much more generalized architecture, Peer to Peer networks will branch out into all kinds of new spheres of influence. I can't wait to watch it happen!

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I'll tell you what Freenet needs to do politically, just to survive.

Wait, it has to do something to survive? I don't think so - that's the whole point of Freenet! It doesn't matter what anyone does, as long as there are people who want to use Freenet, Freenet will be there. There are no centralized anythings in Freenet, so there's no point of attack. There's nothing anyone can do to shut it down short of hunting down every single person running a Freenet node and shutting them down.

I don't see how becoming an MP3 swapping service would threaten Freenet in any way. Just the opposite in fact: Freenet needs users to survive, and what do users want? FREE MUSIC!!!

There are some problems with using Freenet as an MP3 swapping service, though. The way it works doesn't exactly lend itself to easy music swapping. However, that hasn't stopped people from trying! Check out Espra, a free music swapping service using Freenet, now in Beta. Not only does Espra let you download music, it also provides a method of letting you compensate the artists, with as much or as little money as you want. It looks pretty cool.

[me@localhost]$ prolog
| ?- god.
! Existence error in god/0

• Alpine - Adaptive Large-scale Peer2peer Information NEtworking
• ANAP -- Anonymous Napster
• AudioGalaxy Satellite
• Bearshare -- Powerful Gnutella client
• Blocks -- open source distributed sharing client with encryption
• Carracho -- MacOS file sharing program
• CuteMX
• Direct Connect
• DFSI -- Distributed File Sharing over IRC
• Espra
• FileSwap
• Filetopia
• FreeNet
• Gnutmeg -- peered file sharing system
• gnutella -- distributed P2P file sharing tool
• Hotline
• IMesh
• Jungle Monkey -- open source
• KaZaA - Windows Media Desktop
• Konspire -- open source distributed client in java
• OFSI -- Open File Sharing Initiative
• ProjectELF -- anonymoys distributed sharing system
• SongSpy
• Spin Frenzy
• Splooge -- P2P file sharing by file extension
• Swapoo -- Napster like service for sharing video game ROMs
• Swaptor -- Online File Sharing Community
• VNN - secure file sharing app

Yeah well, that is going to be a lot harder than folks think. If they start outlawing code based on what it could do (and I mean original code - not code reverse engineered ala DeCSS) they'll realize it useless. You can't do it.

Freenet is in its infancy. They do have a new MP3 sharing client called Espra If it works - the RIAA may be in trouble. Sure they could try to ban Espra - but that'll be harder (Just see all teh DeCSS mirrors out there) I'm surprised the RIAA isn't shaking in their boots. FreeNet CAN cause them major heartache. Admins have NO idea whats on their servers, it is encrypted. No central servers except for key servers, etc. They can go after key servers, but again, they aren't the sole distribution medium for keys.

Yes, Freenet is in its infancy and the media has shrugged it off, but I'm impressed by the advances they've made. Give it 6 months and more resources in development as Napster as a protocol faces the 'music' (which IMHO is a shame since P2P is so much more than MP3)

Run a Freenet Server today!

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Matt

Check out Espra.

We released beta 1 at the p2p conference in SF today and things are moving at the speed of light in development. ESP Worldwide is funding the development and the program is free and open source (don't ask how we make money its too complex ;) ).

Espra is the GUI interface to Freenet. Now get on the network and help it work! Cheers James

Freenet is a great idea, and with a client like Espra it will kick ass for sure !