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Re:I'm quite the opposite...
You cannot even support something like Plan B without being labeled a "murderer" or "baby killer".
If you steal, don't be surprised if you're labeled a thief. If you support the right to steal, don't be surprised if you also receive a label. That's just telling it like it is.
I do not recognize a fetus so deserving of rights that the rights and freedoms of free women should be taken away. The latter are more important than the former, by far.
We give rights based on humanity, not various qualities, and certainly not when those qualities are temporary. We tried basing rights on qualities once or twice, wasn't pretty. Well, let me put that another way. It wasn't pretty for moral people and the people on the forced end of it. It worked out fairly well for the people who were convenienced by it (and that's all it was, convenience) . Abortion works the same way. You're taking a demographic, and because it conveniences people with more power than said demographic, forcing something on them. In this case death, which is, by definition, murder (hence the euphemism 'abortion').
And yes, I do recognize that sometimes medical complication arise that require someone to choose between the mother dying and the baby + mother dying, and that in those instances a choice must be made, and I don't blame people for their decisions given those circumstances. However, that is a minority of cases, so that common pro-choice retort is a just another strawman. -
Re:A lot of good "Linux" IDEs exist
If you're holding yourself out as a programmer, you definitely have to be able to write good code. But technology work is not made up solely of programmers. I work with programmers, *NIX administrators, graphic designers, UI designers, animators, illustrators, subject-matter experts (usually with PhDs in non-technical areas), clients who are not geeks, etc. There are a lot of jobs in technology that do not require you to write any code whatsoever.
It sounds like you are the alpha nerd on your development team, but you have been forced to work with programmers who were sub-par and now you're bitter. Why is that? Maybe the people you work with are new to the industry and fresh out of school. Maybe your company pays crappy wages and can only attract the code monkeys, people with zero interpersonal skills and other deficiencies that force them to only accept lower paying contracts. But, as an AC poster, we'll never know.
Everyone has a different skill set, not all are cut out for coding. There is a place for everyone though; the cubicle down the hall, your parents basement, or even at McDonalds. Some may have a knack for novel algorithms but have trouble attracting mates - not an uncommon affliction among programmers. Don't worry, there is a place for you! As my old Comp. Architecture prof once said: "If you can't get laid, you might as well write some good code."
BTW: My editor of choice is JEdit, and eugenics has been thoroughly discredited except by Nazis and others who are fond of brown shirts. You may want to rethink your affiliation in that regard.
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Re:It's remarkable how wrong this isCheck with your friend Hitler on that, already been done. In Nazi Germany during a certain period the state had the right to euthanize "unfit" babies and sterilize "unfit" adults.
Also, what you might not know, and what has been kept very quiet is that even in the "great" US of A eugenics reared its ugly head during that time. Oregon is the great "home of eugenics" in U.S., they sterilized more than 2000 people that were deemed to be "unfit" by the state. Here is some link about it. Also here .
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Re:America's been through worse and survived
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Googling for things like "sterilization law", "eugenics Virginia" and so on will give more results.
I was also a bit mistaken; sterilization kept going on till the mid-70s not late-50s. It also appears to be a lovely example of government corruption. -
Leave it to Litigation
Oh, my f*ing g0d! I'm tired of all these lawyers, judges, and "representatives" deciding that more laws banning certain "unfavorable" or "undersirable" behavior is the way to go. That's it. Someone who writes a program that can be extrememly beneficial in knowledge distribution goes to jail because some people use his program in an illegal manner. This litigation behavior is quite reminiscint(sp?) of eugenics
If that's this proceedure works, lets just jail EVERY inventer of ANYTHING that's used improperly because the inventer should have known better! OMFG! I feel sorry for the people who live in California. There is no way I'd move out there because I'd be afraid of getting sued by someone for stepping on their lawn, accidentally dropping a piece of paper, saying something that "offfends." Americans need to get off their collective lazy A$$ES and Stop being so F*ing SENSITIVE!
It's a disgrace to now be from a country that went to war across an entire world, assisting it's allies and turning back a plague on mankind. How did we go from that glorious time to this sniveling little coward of a nation who think that everyone is owed something and you can get millions of dollars only because someone said something that hurt your feelings! -
Nice try, Luddite.
I assume you're an American? So what if you outlaw cloning in your own country--what if the Japanese/Chinese/Indians/whoever else decide it's just fine and dandy in their nations? All you do is deny your own people any possible benefits this technology may eventually bring.
And if you think cloning is controversial, just wait until we get to the point where we are able to do genetic manipulation, where we can design our children to be much smarter (genius-level IQ), physically stronger, more physically appealing, etc. Eugenics will be back, and with a vengance. That's when you'll see the fur really start to fly. -
Re:Don't change the issueOn the contrary, if ATMs were designed with accessibility guidelines in mind in the first place, it would have been very much easier to roll them out and replacement would not have been quite so much of a big deal. The point is that without the ADA, people with sight would simply ignore people with disabilities outright with no thoughts about accessibility. As more and more of these cases come through, use by the blind (and other disabilities) will go into the requirements for products and services instead of a courtroom.
Sight is not a prerequisite for normal function in society. It is only a prerequisite for normal function when society makes no effort. There are quite a few blind people in the world that live alone, go to work, go to the supermarket, take the bus, wash their clothes, cook dinner, pay their bills, talk on the phone, and other trappings of "normal function." Your statement has the distinct odor of eugenics on it. Let's try something else: if blind people cannot function normally, what about color-blind people? I know I use color differentiation on a regular basis. What about smell? What about a sense of touch on your hands and feet? Are deaf people screwed? What if you suffer from sciatica?
An ATM with a braille pad on it does not cost so much more than one without. It only costs so much more when you have to replace an ATM that didn't have one. On the same token, a web page can be made with established accessibility guidelines in mind and it costs about the same as one without. Replacing one that doesn't follow those guidelines is expensive. Companies operating in the United States are bound by the conditions of the ADA which has been in effect for some time now. It didn't sneak up on anyone. People who run the businesses (who most likely are not blind) simply didn't care. Now because of ADA lawsuits, they are beginning to care and many people will be the better for it.
If you take the minimal effort to set aside an extra bin for recycled goods, it takes minimal effort when throwing things away to keep them separate. If you throw it all into one bin, separating out the recyclables is a daunting and naseating task.
People with disabilities ought to realize that they can't participate fully in society, and accept that.
I'm happy to see that you feel that you would hold the same opinion of the situation if you were to become blind. That's all well and good, but it's irrelevant. The ADA is not about you and hypotheticals, it's about many peoples' fact -- people who are perfectly capable of living their own lives with minimal effort on the part of society at large. They are not willing to sit back and hope that society comes to their rescue. If these minimal efforts won't be made on their behalf, what hope is there with a full-blown repeal of the ADA where they can't work, can't travel, and can't live by themselves?
You are advocating a slippery slope. On the one hand, you have more web sites with up to date accessibility conformance. On the other, you have a large group of permanent dependents. Which do you think is greater drain on the time and resources of your society?
Some call it compassion. I call it "in your best interests" when you look at the bottom line.