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Years ago, Nokia N-series phones had physical sliders, seen here on the N82 & N95 to cover the camera, and worked as a switch to start the camera when slid open. Nokia's destruction set the mobile industry back by years given how many things we've given up since then in favor of two choices - an overpriced walled garden versus an advertising and tracking happy platform. Yes, I root my Android and install Cyanogen and use adblock, but why do I have to replace the OS at all to get a modicum of privacy?

Specs here indicate it has 3G (42Mbps) on bands 900 and 2100 used throughout Asia and Europe. Since it's not being sold by an Indian telecom, I would guess that it's unlocked, but I'm sure we'll get an answer to that question soon.

What's even worse is that Nokia make some excellent hardware.

If you look at the reviews of the Lumia 920 the hardware is top notch. What is a problem is that no one (well to reasonable assumption) wants Windows Phone.

A lot of people do want Android though. And Nokia has a chance of competing with Samsung which makes excellent but (compared to Nokia) rather pricey hardware.

If you look at phones like a Nokia Express Music series they are pretty damn good. And very cheap. If they'd launched them with Android instead of Symbian I think they'd sell well, especially in poorer countries. And an Android Lumias would be bound to sell better than an WP ones.

Also WP doesn't help Nokia's real problem which is its long development cycles. That's something Sony Ericsson suffered from too. Making phones in unionised Nordic countries is always going to be slower than doing it in Asia. Nokia were well aware of this

http://www.fonearena.com/blog/30489/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-our-platform-is-burning.html

"Chinese OEMs are cranking out a device much faster than,the time that it takes us to polish a PowerPoint presentation"

If I were in charge of Nokia here's what I'd do with smartphones.

I'd keep the industrial design in house. I'd should outsource the hardware design and manufacturing to Taiwanese ODMs and switch to Android (if Microsoft want WP support they'd need to pay and I'd do as HTC and Samsung do and still sell mostly Android phones). So you'd have a basic case design done in Europe shared across a series but rapidly redesign the internals - baseband chip up - to keep the performance current. In terms of baseband I'd buy from anyone who would sell chips that could run Android - i.e. Qualcomm, Samsung, TI, ST Ericsson. Nokia would sell its baseband business and let it operate in competition with these suppliers, but Nokia would only buy from it if its designs were competitive.

The bundled apps - Nokia's maps for example - could be either done in house or outsourced.

The idea is that the things that make a Nokia a Nokia - industrial design and bundled apps - would be decoupled from the hardware design which would then happen more quickly.

Also the underlying base band chip would change from phone to phone. So if Qualcomm had the best chip in one generation, they'd get the order. If Samsung had the best chip in the next one they'd get it.

Sony Ericsson originally bought all its baseband chips from Ericsson Mobile Platforms. They got further and further behind Qualcomm in terms of performance, particularly after Qualcomm launched the Snapdragon. Eventually Sony bought out the phone business and started to buy Qualcomm chips. The Ericsson Mobile Platforms was 'cast out of the Ericsson group' (think Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of Eden) and ended up being part of ST Ericsson.

Basically if you want to get people in Nordic countries to work hard they need to know that they are competing on the open market and their company will be shut down if it is unprofitable. Back when Sony Ericsson only bought from EMP that was not the case.

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Marketshare dropped 23 to 15%? You'll need to provide evidence to that instead of just running your mouth off like you have been.

Using IDC data
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/56749/idc-samsung-apple-top-smartphone-vendors-in-q3-2012-nokia-not-in-top-5.html

1Q12 23.1%
2Q12 16.7%
3Q12 15%

Burn

That's a big post full of ad hominem, so I'll respond to the meaningful parts:

i actually thought ... that was a real ipad in that movie and they just took decades to release it.

The point of a trademark or design patent is to establish a distinctive appearance, so that it is clear at a quick glance what product you're seeing. It could be the logo, or the shape of a bottle, or something more general, like a color or a particular plaid. In essence, a trademark protects a distinctive aspect of a product, and a design patent protects a distinctive product in particular.

The entire point of this thread is to point out that the design patent for the iPad really only applies to the iPad, and the Galaxy Tab is clearly a copy. The "prior art" in 2001 is so different, even from a large distance, that it is not enough to invalidate the design patent.

So we see a difference between the ipad and the 2001 device, which we accept differentiates them. We also have the beveled edge which differs significantly between the ipad and the galaxy, yet only you fail to accept that as a difference.

It's certainly a difference, just not one that matters. The Galaxy Tab is also missing a large apple on the back, but nobody's going to notice that when walking past a user on the street. Similarly, the only way to notice the different bevel is a close comparison. The appearance of an iPad is iconic. The different bevel does not significantly differentiate the two. Yes, a blind person could tell the difference, but the iPad isn't being heavily marketed for blind people, is it?

i was saying there is a very obvious difference in profile between the 2001 device and the ipad just as there is a very obvious difference between the aspect ratio of the ipad and galaxy.

This is actually the first time I realized they had different aspect ratios. Thanks for the information. Given that it's taken over a year for a potential customer (who was looking into buying a tablet this past spring, then decided against it) to notice, I'm going to go ahead and lump this in the "subtle difference" category as well.

it's a square on the button, not a fucking house you blind idiot

Oh hey, it is. Sorry about that. The extent of my Apple product ownership is an iPod Touch that I keep out in my car. I've used an iPad, and as mentioned earlier I was looking at buying one. I must not have been paying close attention to the exact picture used, and my references from this thread have been found through Google.

Again, that's the whole idea behind a patented design: A potential customer should be able to recognize the product by its appearance from a casual glance.

The point is...

The point is there are a number of similarities and differences between the two real devices, but on the whole the differences are far smaller than the similarities. The similarities outweigh the differences so much that the two are indistinguishable at a distance of only 10 feet. Conversely, the differences between the modern devices and the tablets from 2001 are much more pronounced, to the point where even from 10 feet away they are clearly not the same product.

It's not a question of whether there are differences or not. It's a question of whether the differences are significant enough to distinguish the pro

Hmm, I think they engineered the Nokia N8 specifically to act as a proper camera, spec-wise. It has an unusually larger sensor, given it's a smartphone (1/1.83)

You may like to read a review of the camera: http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8-review-523p6.php

Also, here is a comparison of photographs: http://www.fonearena.com/blog/24096/nokia-n8-vs-canon-ixus-130-camera-comparison.html

I think the N8 *can* be considered to be a replacement for a entry level camera. Whether it can be considered as a replacement for the latest smartphone, is another issue.

The E7 keyboard is slick.
http://images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nokia-e7-fonearena.jpg

We "could" have called it the Next of KIN, but it died in the same awful fiery crash. Fortunately, since only KIN 1 and KIN 2 owners were affected, the impact was almost nil.

Disclaimer: I barely use my phone for texting, let alone all the other gubbins it can do.

I saw this video of multiplayer Quake running on a Nokia N900, its pretty cool - but what did it for me was that they had it hooked up to a big screen TV. Suddenly gaming on your phone doesn't seem such a bad idea, its like having a video console in your pocket (hopefully without a red ring of death).